Consequences of Losing Net Neutrality

At first I thought this was just another simulated image, in the style of the handful of English language memes on this topic, but then I realized that Portugal doesn't have any net neutrality protections and this is actually how ISPs there are trying to sell service now.

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Worst nightmare

christ you may as well not have internet at all

would legit pay for satellite internet before paying for bullshit like that

Isn't the entire internet served to you at once but everything is just frequency domain multiplexed together and by selectively filtering with high Q filters in the modem you can select the web content you see?

If so you can bypass any software restrictions by designing the filters yourself and literally pirate websites.

New Zealand has no net neutrality or government to regulate ISP competition. Some ISPs have a "fair use policy", some pride themselves in not having one. We also have access to gigabit speeds. The only thing I've seen in terms of "packages" like pic related is for unlimited mobile data for social media and spotify.

Reminder that you didn't have net neutrality before the Obama administration

Who's the target market?
Most people I know would still have random things they want to look up or navigate to that end up being on a random non-major site.
And no Wikipedia?

reminder that before the obama admin the ISP's were assumed to be common carriers and none them had thought of pushing or testing those assumed boundaries, and that when they did finally try to push and test them, the public reacted overwhelmingly in favor of classifying them as common carriers, which the obama admin followed through on, but in a very weak way

and now the isp's are fighting tooth and nail to get propaganda out ti dismiss their common carrier status and allow them to begin segmenting and selling the internet off like TV channels

Before we even think of changing anything about common carrier this or that, the ISP monopolies, duopolies, and oligopolies in the US need to be smashed apart and actual competition introduced. No more of this 3 ISP's in one town where 2 of them offer dial-up while the 3rd offers cable and calling that "competition".

Fake news, these are add-ons that let you use certain services unlimited past the cap. Spotify pays the ISP and you can use it unlimited for only $5. This is called innovation, the alternative is paying 10x the amount for the same service. Nobody is blocking you from accessing your loli porn.

What's the price of the base package? How does it compare to the average internet service prices in the US?

>it's an user doesn't understand net neutrality episode

fucking retards it's for mobile internet and not normal internet

>It doesn't count if it's mobile
Is this the hot new meme?

Reminder that government regulation is always bad for the economy and the internet is a luxury that rightly belongs to those willing to pay fair market prices.

i seriously don't get you, you pay for unlimited use of an app that doesn't count towards your mobile data and that's somehow bad when there's probably also a unlimited lte plan but it's just more expensive
i think it's just that americans are butthurt that they have bandwidth caps on everything so they try to find a country which has worse things going on

Zero rating makes it impossible for competition or innovation.

>impossible for competition or innovation.
only in the usa
take a look at polish mobile phone plans and your ass will explode, that's what real competition and innovation is

Amongst web sites and services tard.

they're monopolists anyway, you can't change that right now, this is what fbi/cia/nsa wanted and they will try their best to keep it that way

Part of the problem is television service. It has been considered "acceptable" for a single television provider to cover certain neighborhoods, to the point where someone two blocks over would have Comcast and you have Verizon or Cox and that's all that's available to you. People would use that same company as their ISP, either assuming that's all that is available to them, or because of a bundle package for TV and internet.

That's what needs to change... Until people realize that they can still get FiOS internet even if Comcast is their only option for TV, or the prices are regulated in such a way that getting FiOS internet is the same price as Comcast's bundle price, we won't see much change

That doesn't sound too bad if it's mobile
$30 in Australia gives me 1.5GB a month and if I want free Spotify I need to text Optus a special code and have the speed throttled to dialup levels

AFAIK there isn't 'net neutrality' for mobile data anywhere.

>muh liberal talking points
guess what, we haven't had net neutrality legislation for very long and it wasn't much different before. Companies still have to compete with each other and still have to deal with costumer response. please, tell me the worst thing that has ever happened that would have been prevented through net neutrality legislation.

is there anything on earth worse than libertarians?

That capitalistic approach would only work if the companies were actually competing with each other. Sadly, that's not the case in the US. Either fix the system in order to allow fairer competition or regulate ISP shenanigans.

I thought only slavs actually use Viber.

they are competing with each other though. It's just in some areas, one company tends to dominate but plenty of other goods work that way. Again, historically what's the worst that has happened? what is the worst, likely outcome if we got rid of net neutrality legislation tomorrow.

>but plenty of other goods work that way
Like what?

>they are competing with each other though
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/lawsuit-comcast-sabotaged-small-isps-network-then-took-its-customers/
heh
>Again, historically what's the worst that has happened?
That's a pretty weak argument, though. You're essentially implying that the world has remained stagnant ever since it was created.
The industrial age has never happened before the industrial age, what's the worse that could happen? Let's continue hiring small children in coal mines.

>they are competing with each other though

Are you braindead? Have you ever even looked at the US telecom market? There's virtually no competition anywhere, it's fucking disgusting. If we had an actual functioning government that wasn't completely bought out by special interests there'd have already been anti-trust suits breaking these companies apart.

Compare the ISP situation in South Korea to the US. Face it, m8. The """competition""" in the US is less than ideal

South korea is a poor example, because they have no net neutrality laws and pay some of the highest prices in the world for internet access. Not much different from the US

most things related to technology for instance. whats was windows' market share up until 5 years ago? what is intel's market share? what is the ps4 market share? what is nvidia's market share?
pretty funny article, not really relevant.
>That's a pretty weak argument, though. You're essentially implying that the world has remained stagnant ever since it was created
no, because I also asked what you think would happen in case you wanted to counterpoint the fact that nothing happened before we implemented legislation. you still haven't answered the question.
you guys seem to be confusing arguments. You can think what you want about the current state of competitiveness of US ISPs, but can you tell me how net neutrality legislation changes any of that?

edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/31/broadband.south.korea/index.html
Like I said, this is an either-or scenario. You won't really need net neutrality if there is the threat of the competition willing to offer unrestricted access for a lower price.

they're competing just like german telecoms (not at all)

>can you tell me how net neutrality legislation changes any of that?
they don't change anything, the state needs to enforce some shit for better competition just like in countries like poland where they forced a huge isp to share cables with other isps and now there's a fuck ton of isps everywhere

>but can you tell me how net neutrality legislation changes any of that?
Net Neutrality is a preventive measure, idiot. It's there in order to make sure nothing changes from what we already have. If this thing doesn't go through, things WILL certainly change to a much shittier situation.

>whats was windows' market share up until 5 years ago? what is intel's market share? what is the ps4 market share? what is nvidia's market share?
IN all of these except ps4 which is not at all the same consumers get jewed hardcore.
I thought you said "what's the worst that could happen"?

This is gonna be another one of those bitter I told ya' so moments.

>We apologize but this website is not in your subscription plan.

>Please add the adult content option to your plan for an additional $134.99 a month!

Sorry I dont speak illegal immigrants language

>ps4
>not getting jewed hardcore
never change, poor people.

is this what you mean by net neutrality? because i bet that's illegal in portugal just like in every eu country

great idea, now just let me choose which apps don't count towards my data

It's not blocked it's just throttled so come back an hour once it's done loading :^)

that would be hard to do and unprofitable as fuck
you have this option, you don't need to use it

that's also illegal
this is not the us, remember that
you have some of the worst laws and worst isps in the whole world

>they don't change anything
then we agree
>Net Neutrality is a preventive measure, idiot
and i'm asking you what you think it's preventing. all you libtards are the same. you think just pointing to some boogeyman and saying it's bad is enough to scare someone to your side.
>things WILL certainly change to a much shittier situation.
HOW??
please tell me what you fear so much. If not having net neutrality is such a bad thing you would think one of you fuckers would be able to give a single example. or you can just keep throwing sheets over people and trying to convince me it's a ghost, see if that works.
>IN all of these except ps4 which is not at all the same consumers get jewed hardcore
no the fuck they're not. But if you want to be an immature pessimist bitch fine, I won't argue it. Doesn't affect the argument.
>I thought you said "what's the worst that could happen"?
I think you lack reading comprehension. those were two separate topics, unless you're somehow connecting net neutrality and PS4s. I was asking what the worst that could happen in relation to not having net neutral legislation. You still refuse to answer.

Net Neutrality has a lot to do with the competitive situation of US ISPs. We need it because without it, ISPs will have the ability to prioritize some data over the other and begin charging for unprioritized data. It essentially makes the internet work like a cable service where you have to pay for website packages. No more browsing the internet enjoy your locked-down service. They can get away with it because they know that there is little to no threat from competition that can offer a better service, and they can keep jewing their customers. You wouldn't need this legislation if the situation with market """competition""" wasn't so abysmal in the first place.
I'm not even someone who's against competition but the situation is so bad that you have to choose one or the other.

>they know that there is little to no threat from competition that can offer a better service
fix this instead

>intel, nvidia, and windows
>consumer not being jewed hardcore

then why did none of that happen before it was illegal? it's cause even if you own most of the market, if you switch to a significantly shittier service then even the little guys will take your business. If nvidia suddenly started selling integrated-graphics tier shit, they would immediately lose to AMD. If sony started making it so you couldn't play their games without subscribing to a $100 a month service, everyone would switch to xbox or PC. there's been literally no change before and after net neutral legislation.
fucking entitled kids these days. You think that's getting fucked because you have no idea what it really means to get fucked when there is really no competition and a company actually does whatever it wants. see - telmex

>then why did none of that happen before it was illegal?
because it was better back then. The situation slowly morphed until the biggest ISPs all have a piece of the Pai.
>If nvidia suddenly started selling integrated-graphics tier shit
They can't because Intel won't sell them the x86 license.

how was it better? if anything it was worse as far as market share distribution goes right before broadband became widespread. What measure are you using to say it was better?

That "x86 license" thing is false. They can't own APIs or ISAs. What really happens when some new x86 maker tries to enter the market, Intel sues them for any suspected patent infringement and it either gets too expensive to fight at all or they actually win because clean room implementing an x86-64 while also avoiding patented ways to do things internally sounds impossible to me. Intel, AMD and VIA have legally agreed not to interfere with each other in that way and share their patents.

This image is selling mobile data. There are no data cap in home data in Portugal. And because there are many providers there is a lot of competition.

Most people are on mobile now user, it's more relevant.

You misunderstand. This was an improvement to the consumer. Before there were data caps on mobile. With this there are a few apps that do not count to the cap. In portugal ISPs are always improving what tjey offer to costumers because there is a lot of competiting.
Home lines don' even have data caps. And it been line that for over a decade.

Couldn't using a VPN get around this restriction?

>Portugal doesn't have any net neutrality protections

Being in the EU they have the (very weak) EU net neutrality law.

So image must be fake or Brazilian or something.

10 bucks you get 2GB in portugal with all popular apps like youtube and netflix not counting to your mobile data.
But hey, no net neutrality so it sucks.

No.

VPN's (and any IP's not recognized) will default to lowest speeds and worst caps.

Using your home wi-fi you have some the best internet prices in the world at home and no such problems.
And even outside home tje plan still includes 2gb mobile data to use outside those apps.

Dude that's no excuse.

Completely uncapped 4G is getting pretty standard now.

At my office we have 4 people working all day on a single unlimited 4G subscription. (because the land lines are utter shit in the building)
We simply hooked one cheap phone up to a WiFi/Ethernet router.

The only bad thing about ISPs in Portugal is the 2 year subscription.
The market is so good that every month a different ISP is providing better prices/packages. But you are trapped during those 2 years.

excuse for what? there's nothing to excuse. You get your standard service with capped bandwidth and if you pay a small extra fee you get substantially more data for certain apps. But you'd rather them not be able to offer that package and just cut you off once you hit your cap?

>With this there are a few apps that do not count to the cap
Which means they are effectively impossible to compete with and will have permanent stranglehold on mobile space.
Why do you think Zuckerburg pushed so hard to build mobile network in 3rd world with zero-rated "essential" apps aka facebook apps.

>dumb Portuguese monkey can't understand ramifications outside of muh youtube data

You have that here too, it's just more expensive.
Uncapped 4G was how vodafone and other companies started here.
Look at the values on the picture, those are already including free standard calls and sms. Whatsapp started in other countries due to SMS prices, here it was just because it was pretty. Our plans always include free calls and sms.

It's not Brazilian, but we do have this shit here as well Also they advertise home internet as unlimited, but I was blocked after reaching 80GB of traffic. Didn't happen again after I complained though.

then please oh great sage of liberty, tell me what those ramifications are.

You are getting this wrong. In portugal the free aps were not choosed by contrats with companies. They were choosed for marketing reasons, they were already super popular and this is just putting the popular foor free.
The fight for costumers is big here. There are a lot of ISPs competing and they are doing all they can to get you to sign with them. If fact, most ads you see in portugal are ISPs ads.

Nothing you said changes my post.

Not him but it will make it impossible for competing sites to grow.

In 10 years time we'll only have 2 or 3 big internet companies controlling 99.9% of the content.
Say goodbye to free speech and privacy.

Wrong. As soon as some apps reaches a some popularity in will be included. And the standard for popular is always getting low because the service has many other services to compete with that offer even more.
And you still have those GB to use outside of those apps.


I get why no neutrality is bad because of monopolies. But there are no monopolies in net here. When there is competition, libertarianism works best. When there isn't, libertarianism is the worst you can get.

Free choice leads to an efficient use of resources.

Limiting choice (which is what this is) leads to inefficiencies and mismatched supply and demand.

>As soon as some apps reaches a some popularity in will be included.

And how will they ever reach such popularity when consumers have to pay for their app while the competition is free?

This is a way to kill startups and ensure the entire internet gets controlled by Facebook, Alphabet and Apple.

Why the fuck does the US act like this net neutrality thing is going to affect the whole planet. EU countries will keep their ISP regulations independent of whatever happens in your American Third World Shithole. I can't wait till Net Neutrality finally dies in the US, all the tears I can enjoy from 10k km away.

This is not what this is.
This is not limiting choices, thi is improving the quality of someof the choices. It's not the same evn tough it!is quite similar.
Nothing got worse in terms of service. Absolutly Nothing.
And because of such big competition an app doesn't neeed to be too popular to be included. The list you are seeing there gets bigger every month.
And when the free app trafick gets stale!they will gt some other ideia o get more costumers.


The ISP market here actually functions.

Americans genuinely think the internet is controlled by America.

2GB and growing of mobile cap is a lot for that!price you are seeing.Combine with unlimited at home...
And the ISP have the need of keep adding apps to look better than their competitors. Well, at least until some ISP finds a better meme than "free apps"

Where is my choice to use unlimited Telegram, Sup Forums and pornhub?

Real choice is letting people pick whatever amount of data they want and let them use that data freely.

You guys, this packaging makes no sense. Usually you'll have one or two apps for messaging, one for vids, maybe max one or two for social media, one for streaming music - why on EARTH would I buy a package that just lets me get all the messaging apps, or all the music streaming apps? You end up having to buy all of these, as they are useless on their own. Did nobody, while pushing their selfish agenda, at least think about basic logic? Jesus.

You have the choice for unlimited. That is the budget choice. And I bet if you talk with some guy there they can switch some apps.

>I bet if you talk with some guy there they can switch some apps.

Then what is the whole point of this?

>And I bet if you talk with some guy there they can switch some apps.

Oy vey it's 10GB every month not 2. Look at the image goyim. And some free apps that dount count! Subscribe goyim!
Plus you still got the good old free voice calls and texting.

40 bucks with optus in australia gives me 12.5gb AND free spotify

get a less shit plan

We get it you don't give a shit because you're some poorfag ESL who just wants to spam messages on WhatsApp and watch Game of Thrones.

>he says while posting in American on an American website

Don't use either.
Apps on my phone is just browser, finance/economy stuff, signal and email. Everything else removed or unused.

I don't care because there are plenty of companies using different approaches to gather costumers, wich means more choice to me.

wat
are you retarded

you request a specific site and you get only that
this isn't some shitty analogue TV signal or something but TCP

Dude, do you even network?

Is the MEO stuff to awful? Lately I've found out that ISP offerings are barely acceptable but ridiculously cheap since no one uses them over Google/Apple stuff

Problem is that literally nothing in the US telecomm market has had fair market prices since the government made Bell a complete monopoly in 1918

>muh regulations r evul
Remember industrial revolution? Have fun working 14h per day to just survive.

>every fucking carrier has nearly the same plan
>competition
I shit you not.

Yes. Commie Anarchists, but by very slim margin.

And this move makes them basically immune to competition. Which after a while might lead to them fucking you over because there will be no competition.

Capitalism is flawed. Biggest threat to consumers is monopoly.
The endgame of corporations is the monopoly.
And corporations have way more influence.

this isn't analog cable tv, bub. ever heard of a packet? an http server?

>go to ISP
>negotiate
>get custom contract
'Twas so hard

>people work in factories instead of starving
>omg capitalism so ebul :'(
Capitalism works fine if the government doesn't ruin everything with it's intervensionim
>captcha calle calle