>all business-class laptops are turning into MacBook clones >tfw no good business-class laptops anymore
So, uh, what's going on here? I thought business-class laptops were supposed to value durability and serviceability. Are there any good business-class laptops left? Is the future basically all soldered RAM and SSDs, non-removable batteries, and 3-year lifespans?
companies realize that if they sell you a solid product that you can repair yourself, they lose money
so instead they sell you a cheap laptop that you cant repair, so when it breaks, you have to buy a new one
Christian Anderson
2015 MBP is the last business class laptop
Christian Parker
The future is to stop being poor and get the original instead of the copy. Soldered SSDs are good for security. Upgrading RAM won't do much for a machine in the future these days, the bottleneck will be the CPU or GPU. Get what you require at purchase.
Blake Morales
If you have a job that requires a business tier laptop more than likely your IT department has the warranty. Dell fixes all of our shit even accidental damage like running it over with your car.
Josiah Hall
true, my employer will also cover any damage to my work laptop
but i believe OP was asking about business laptops being sold to consumeres a-la Sup Forums buying used thinkpads on ebay
Michael Sanchez
I can't find the video you screenshotted. What's the deal with a $100 thinkpad? That seems like too much honestly.
Carson Ortiz
Thinkpads and Dell Latitudes.
Just because Sup Forums can't afford them doesn't make them bad.
Austin Hernandez
>buys "ultrabook" crap but complains about soldered components
Cooper Thompson
>Soldered SSDs are good for security.
It's no more secure than any self encrypting SSD.
Jayden Martinez
sure but in that regard I would say the ThinkPad is an outlier. Not like Dell's business tier laptops were that great in the early 2000's. I would rather have the form factor of the e5480 if i was just taking it home.
Hunter Watson
>The future is to stop being poor
That's why I spent an extra $500 on upgrades for my $300 used ThinkPad?
Bentley Butler
>macshit dumpster fire >business class
Good joke.
Juan Perry
>companies realize that if they sell you a solid product that you can repair yourself, they lose money
I've almost never seen this.
The most done at any company is reimage the laptop. If that doesn't fix it they just order another and toss the broken one into the junk pile for recycling.
Isaac Moore
Nice of your employer
>colleague wants Macbook Pro because giant Apple fan. >Employer gives him 1000 euro's, has to pay for the rest himself. >His birthday is 3 weeks later. >Some friend of a friend of a friend gets drunk and sits on the MBP. >MBP utterly fucked, no repair possible. >Can't track down friend of a friend of a friend. >Has to buy another MBP entirely out of his own pocket.
I laughed my ass off.
Ian Adams
The future is soldered ram, ssds and non-removable batteries.
Most people just want a laptop that's thin and light because they consider carrying a laptop to be a burden. So they go for the ones with five hour battery lives with just enough power for what they want.
Owen James
Business class laptops are replaced with ultrashits, your only remaining choice are mobile workstations or toughbooks
Owen Allen
Good thing CPUs have hit the end of the road.
No need to upgrade for a good decade with an i7-4800MQ.
Caleb Rodriguez
Correct, everyone uses laptops now for work and they don't want to carry a heavy laptop.
Zachary Nguyen
I love my 7480 lmao
Jack Thomas
Now that even new Precisions have gone nu-male, are there any good lines left besides Thinkpad and Elitebook?
Henry Nguyen
>elitebook
Nathan Baker
People are just stupid.
When they see something thin get go "muh wants" and then try to justify it by claiming it's somehow more "portable".
But the whole portability argument falls to pieces when you do a real world comparison.
Adam Ortiz
>trading a better keyboard, more battery, better build quality/rigidity, better heat management and ports for a few fucking dozen grams
I hate what has become of laptops.
William Sanders
Latitude.
Dylan Jenkins
B-but muh limp fagg'o wrist the patriarchy
Adam Anderson
Ultrabooks should at least have the decency to be made out carbon fiber nowadays, aluminium is fucking disgustingly fragile when the laptop is not even a 1cm thick.
Xavier Barnes
Fuckin' right. It wouldn't even be that bad if there were more traditional offerings. Fuck the flimsy 2 pound paperweights and give me my 5 pound notebook with power and insane battery life.Even the fucking T4xx series has gone from about 5 pounds in the 420 to 3.5 for the 470. Fuck that
3.5lbs? I carry heavier things on my dick. It starts getting uncomfortable over 5lbs, anything below that is luggable by children
Nicholas Flores
Why can't companies give the normalfags their razor-thin ultrabooks and let us have our THICCpads?
Ian Powell
>Soldered SSD I wonder how the "remove all harddrives before disposing computers" policy we have at work will be handled once we get a new wave of laptops.
Tyler Wright
it's flash memory, just secure erase it. Heck, you can't even get anything from it with a partition table format
ZBooks are workstations now and Elitebooks are ultrabooks
Cooper Flores
Unbox Therapy is such a cancerous channel but I keep fucking watching it...why?
Gabriel Ross
I have one of these and the keyboard is fucking amazing
Ryder Powell
>t. someone who has no idea how storage works.
SSD's are very problematic to erase because they reserve extra space the OS can't access or even see, for speed and longevity purposes. And removing the partition table does nothing to the data.
Best thing is to always encrypt your data......but that should be standard practice anyways.
Isaiah Torres
Monicas
Jordan Torres
Got a dell xps 15 9530(non touch) for 600$. The carbon fiber feels super good, all I have to change is the battery, because it is absolute shit. Also the laptop has like 0 scratches or wear marks, I think I got a very good deal.
Ian Reed
What the hell is the point of using an SSD if you are just going to encrypt the data? SSDs are for speed and adding an encryption layer is just going to slow it down a ton.
Jordan Ramirez
I didn't think it was a lot since it's the controller doing the encrypting, isn't it?
Lucas Taylor
Hardware encryption nigger, also even if it would just be Truecrypt a SSD would still be much faster than a truecrypted HDD
Ayden Lopez
>adding an encryption layer is just going to slow it down a ton.
You've never encrypted your drive, huh?
There is barely any difference in performance. The biggest performance drop is caused by the fact encrypted data can't be compressed, which is fixed by using self encrypting drives (although they aren't NSA proof so not ideal)
Jaxson Ramirez
>Slowed down fast thing is as slow as slowed down slow thing. That's some hard women logic
Andrew Gutierrez
They want you to have to buy a whole new laptop, that's what's going on. It's one of those corporate collusion deals. If none of the big manufacturers offer a new line of laptops with those features people will be forced to buy old hardware, and when that wears out they'll have to decide between no laptop and the absolute shite that is now the majority of the marketplace. There's not enough competition in the industry.
Andrew Wood
Hardware encryption is less than ideal. You need to buy hardware that supports it and trust it's secure.
But more importantly it destroys any protection against corruption. If encrypted data gets corrupted it can't be recovered. Your filesystem can't use protections like checksums that could detect exactly what bits were flipped, because you can't read the raw bits.
Nicholas Gomez
All data on a laptop should be constantly backup up anyways. It's a device that's easily stolen and most likely doesn't even have RAID.
And hardware encryption, though not ideal, does have several advantages you cannot have with software encryption. Like being OS independent, staying unlocked after reboots, and better performance.
Nicholas Garcia
>so instead they sell you [an expensive] laptop that you cant repair, so when it breaks, you have to buy a new one
fixed that for you
You don't get 'cheap and replaceable', you literally just get 'same price if not more expensive, AND it's trash that has to be replaced within a year'.
Anthony Watson
It's a fixed limit. Your decrypter can only decrypt so many megabits per second (with a given amount of CPU resources). Adding a faster storage device does nothing.
True you should have backups. But very few people actually keep hashes of all their files and look for corruption. You are likely to not notice it and end up overwriting your good backups with corrupted data unknowingly.
Owen Gomez
type THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG with both shift keys held down
you'll see how amazing it really is
Liam Wood
>It's a fixed limit. Your decrypter can only decrypt so many megabits per second (with a given amount of CPU resources). Adding a faster storage device does nothing.
Do you still use a 80386 or something?
Even decrypting gigabytes per second only takes up a few % of CPU power. Processing power isn't the bottleneck, the storage device is.
Benjamin Garcia
That is not what a Mac-user means when he says secure. He means that if it's soldered then there is less chance that he might rip it out by mistake when looking for an off button. Security means saving the user against himself if it's regarding a Mac
Charles Brooks
what did he mean by this?
William Foster
>type with both shift keys held down are you retarded?
Jaxon White
That tests the keyboard circuitry. The double shift test is a mostly universal way to see if your keyboard manufacturer cheaped the fucked out with your circuit. Meaning that if you don't pass the test, there are other keys your keyboard will not allow you to press at the same time. The double shift test is used because not all shit keyboards crap out with the same key combinations, except that particular one which always seems to work.
Henry Stewart
HE QUIK BROWN FO JUED OER HE LA DOG QWERUIOPASDFGHJKL:"BN? weird. It beeps when I hit the keys so it knows I pressed them.
Brandon Lewis
Full disk encryption on Winderps is cumbersome. Someone can still take your drive out and wipe it and use your drive anyway.
Tyler Hughes
BTFO
Gavin Clark
Meh, our entire company pretty much runs on 15" MBPs. I was actually issued a 2017 TouchBar MBP. If it gets stolen or damaged it just gets replaced.
Personally I'd like a Thinkpad or a Dell business line laptop. Something with a trackpoint at the least, but I don't really need it.
Nicholas Parker
Clevo makes some decent laptops, and msi has a decent mx keyboard. New thinkpads are pretty dumb to buy.
Gavin Perry
was planning on getting a thinkpad X1 carbon
should i wait for 8th gen intels?
Lenovo announced the 2016 and 2017 X1s at CES in Jan, so I guess the 2018 will be coming in Jan again..
Eli Morgan
>2017 >Not typing in the most inconvenient way possible. What a pleb
Hunter Perez
The thinkpad yogas are still user serviceable you can upgrade the ram ssd and hdd. I think the main reason most aren't serviceable is because we are in the era of form over function and most new laptops are essentially a tablet with a keyboard. Every company wants to be apple just look at Microsoft's and googles product lines
Austin Green
my £20 chink mechanical keyboard can't type that without any problems kek
Samuel Hill
>using laptops Top kek just build a desktop pc
Austin Peterson
Can you provide any link that proves that this "issue" that you found is relevant to anyone anywhere?
Elijah Ross
Do you guys think Lenovo made more profits by turning the memepad into a macbook? It seems counter intuitive since the two target audiences don't seem to overlap but they have to have people doing the big brain calculations on that saying that it's better now even though the new models seem like an inferior product.
Christopher Adams
They provide product to people/companies who pay for it. If these people/companies have different taste than you, it's obviously your problem. If you don't shop for new thinkpad, you have no right to complain.