Why is it allowed that a cunt as small and irrelevant as Portugal has the biggest fucking colony in LatAm? Why did Spain and her conquistadores let this happen, couldn't they just have claimed some of that Land for themselves? They were there first too, right?
Also, why doesn't LatAm Team up to invade and later divide Brazil?
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Spain was too busy mining silver from Perú to give a fuck about Brazil
2 reasons
1 the Pope
2 Brazil was literally a giant, go fuck yourself, plantation jungle until the late 1700s, while the Spaniards had the largest cities and civilizations in the hemisphere to conquer. And silver
Portugal > Spain
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I'm not an expert, but probably politics of the time play a great part
>guyana speaks english
I did not know this
>American "education"
Because jesus
Aren't Germans supposed to have a good education? Read a book, nigger.
What was even the point if we were just going to emulate africa anyway?
As if Spanish America was any better
Well being a shit and big country is still better than being a shit and small country.
a Portuguese calls a German 'nigger'
1. Tordesillas Treaty
2. Brazil had a painless independece as the monarchy gave unity and kept its territories intact, Hispanic Ameirca was a republican caudillo civil war clusterfuck for decades.
3. Brazil is mostly islationist, and has been for over a century so no one really sees it as a threat to form a coalition or something like that.
I'm pretty sure that Suriname wasn't supposed to be larger. Imagine how BLACK'D latin-America would be...
For those who want a serious answer
A) Portugal was united to Spain from 1580 to 1640
Brazil expanded beyond the Tordesillas line those years because Spain no longer cared, since it all belonged to the same king (it was a mistake for them).
B) Spain pretty much only cared about their mines in Bolivia, the silver and gold from those mines wasnt sent to Spain through Argentina, but through Peru, to Panama, and from Panama to Spain, Argentina and Paraguay were very irrelevant and empty, so they didnt act against portuguese expansion except for the city of Colonia which the portuguese founded in front of Buenos Aires as a smuggling center.
C) When Spanish America became independent it was done by the locals, and the territories fragmented. When Brazil became independent it happened because the king of Portugal moved to Brazil with his full administration.
D) The Jesuits missions of Paraguay were the buffer zone between Spanish and Portuguese America, and the Spaniards expulsed the Jesuits because they thought they were a State within a State.
E) Brazil has a pretty big population in comparison to the rest of South America in the late XVIII century, they had millions of slaves, and a half a million portuguese emigrated to Brazil when they discovered gold in Minas Gerais.
>islationist
What?
And now a Portuguese calls a "French" nigger
>big population
False. Our population just becomes big after 20th century with European immigration and lately slavery
Well, I should say 'not aggresive or expansionistic'.
The last territory Brazil got by war was in the War of the Triple Alliance in 1865. And I don't think it's been at war with other South American country since then as well.
Brazil didn't got independence because our king went there.He came back and his son and heir(after becoming king) went to Brazil and gave portugal to his sister.
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t. bloody Nigel
Brazil's population was big even before that, I mean, compare it to the Rio de la Plata that was absolutely desolate.
If anything it could had been France to take Brazil but the relevant native tribes sided with Portugal.
what
Brasil didn't 'get' independence, they fought for it and won after our cortes tried to cuck them back to colony status when the napoleonic wars were over and João VI returned to Portugal.
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in comparison to Spanish America it was very big.
In 1820
Brazil: 4.500.000
Argentina: 534.000
Venezuela: 718.000
Chile: 771.000
Ecuador: 500.000
Colombia: 1.206.000
Peru: 1.317.000
Uruguay: 55.000
Bolivia: 1.100.000
Argentina had a smaller population than Chile until the 1880s when Euro immigrants begun to arrive, and the most populated part of Spanish South America was still Peru and Bolivia even in the early 1800s.
I have an excel file about this if any of you is interested, just recommend me a place to upload it.
thats literally the same
>Uruguay 55k
We were always pathetic
This is maybe the thread to ask, but why did Spanish-American countries all went each their way? Why not just one big country like we did?
Was is because you had to conquer it by stages and left very different conditions in each of them, whereas we basically jewed them all at once?
This. Spain cared about Peru and Mexico. And the area inbetween as a connection and hub for shipping. And Cuba. Everything else was like Florida, populated by about 3 or 4 guys and kept under the crown just for the sake of preventing others to establish there and get any close to the areas that actually mattered. Except if it was the Portus in Brasil, because better them populating that fuckton of clay than the dutchies, the anglos or the french getting there and cucking the portus out of Brasil.
Spanish America was way bigger than Portugese America and was already divided in various autonomous administrative regions: Viceroyalties. Also the geography was much more challenging.
The independence wars were a mess and much longer and bloodier than Brazil's and after them there was no figure giving unity like the emperor, so local conflicts and fragmentation were inevitable.
Because Brazil had one central authority during its colonization, while Spanish America was divided into viceroyalties.
That's what I assumed, but didn't know for sure. Thanks.
Many reasons, mainly, that in the same way that people from southern brazil see themselves as different from nordestinos, here people thought that those differences justified not being a part of the same country.
That is the case of Paraguay and Chile.
Argentina and Uruguay are similar, Peru-Bolivia-Ecuador are similar, but Chile isnt similar to any of its neighbours. Paraguayans are 100% Spanish-Guaraní bilingual.
Others were for political reasons, and local elites being petty.
Also, most of Spanish America is on the Andes mountain range, most of the cities, most of the spaniards were thre, the big reasons for that is that that was the place with the mines, and that high altitude allows people to live with european weather even if they are in the tropics.
Mountains create strong fronteers, in Brazil everybody lives on the coast, and water was the highway of that time, even if there was no road from Bahia to Rio.
But the political divisions in South America arent random borders like those of Africa.
Ecuador descends from the Audiencia de Quito, Chile and Venezuela from their Capitanías Generales. the territories coincide with some colonial division.
It doesn't matter desu.Brazil had 0 reason to go independent.Portugal treated everyone in brazil very well,portuguese people in brazil would come and go.
The reason they went independent was because the heir there was disrespected by the cortes in portugal because he decided to stay in brazil(nostalgia of his younger days).
USA had the taxes justification and the spanish colonies were kind of forgotten by the spaniards so they revolted.
Also,the ''emperor of brazil'' was the brother of the queen of portugal and both nations would protect each other in case of war.
Everything went to shit in brazil when the republic arrived.
if d.pedro knew what the fuck would happen he'd have done what he did
>populated by about 3 or 4 guys and kept under the crown just for the sake of preventing others to establish there and get any close to the areas that actually mattered
Sounds about right. That's me whenever I pick a seafaring empire in any kind of strategy game
t. Alberto Barbosa
Kek.
Yeah, raping the territory in order to steal our riches and then spend it in the dumbest way was a really good treatment you guys did
>Steal
It was ours to take :^)
>Why is it allowed that a cunt as small and irrelevant as Portugal has the biggest fucking colony in LatAm?
don't you have more important shit to worry about, Mehmet
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Those guys are one of the main reasons actually. And luckily we had the monarchy to prevent us from balkanizing like the rest of the continent.
>tfw you will never be a fortune hunter in the new world
why even live
It's quite amusing to see how deep in they went, considering there were lots of Amerindian tribes, dense jungle, animals and such all trying to kill them.
Pic related is a map of the most important expeditions. The ones in red are Native/Amerindian Hunting expeditions (kinda like the American Indian Wars, but iirc they captured some of the natives to use as slaves), while the green arrows are Fortune Hunting expeditions.
Portugueses were more adapted to the navigation than Spaniards. At that time, Portugueses had a more cosmopolitan spirit than Spanish, which make then more suitable to defend their land. When the Spaniards reject the help of the autochthonous folks, Portugueses make with them families. Creating a higher number of people to defend the land, also they were more prone to make alliances with the autochthonous then the Spanish.
>Also, why doesn't LatAm Team up to invade and later divide Brazil?
Paraguay tried by himself once. Such a big mistake.
>t. alberto da silva
>there were lots of Amerindian tribes
Actually, the Brazilian territory was the place with less Native Americans in the whole New World.
Minas Gerais countryside for example, was 100% desert
>Actually, the Brazilian territory was the place with less Native Americans in the whole New World
Thanks God. That's why the average Brazilian doesn't look like Bolivians, Peruvians or Mexicans.
But look at Raposo Tavares' expedition, for example. They met lots of Natives on the way, for sure.
Because even if all other south americans team up, we'd still have a larger population and would beat them.
Agreed.
Still a bigger population than we had at the time.
Brazil had no large, settled agrarian populations like Mexico and Peru, there were (note I'm specifically referring to the coast and not the Amazon) just ooga booga hunter gatherers most of whom were killed by European diseases or interbred with them and disappeared as distinct people.
I think that the population is almost even now and in a few decades there will be more spanish speakers due to low BR birth rates.
Colombia 48M
Argentina 45M
Venezuela 30M
Perú 30M
Chile 18M
Ecuador 15M
Bolivia 10M
Paraguay 7M
Uruguay 3M
Total: 206M
Brazil 200M (2013 so it should be about even with spanish-speaking South America)
Concerning birth rates, we are even; we will keep this same amount of population.
How are your birth rates? Decreasing? Even?
Wow, Latin America is truly a land of rich cultures and histories. I shall seek to learn more about this vibrant and beautiful place.
just kiddin! You're all irrelevant shitholes!
>USA >USA >USA >USA >USA >USA >USA >USA >USA >USA
>Population of Brazil: 220M
FTFY
Chile, Paraguay and us have the same low fertility rate as Brazil, but the rest of the countries where most of the population is are higher.
ecuador is pretty densely populated if they have half the population of Peru in a much smaller territory
Colombia + Venezuela could be an 88 million people country
Peru + Ecuador + Bolivia could be a 55 million people country
Argentina + Uruguay + Paraguay could be another 55 million people country
And Chile alone with 18 millions.
Spics are pretty shit, but at least they aren't niggerfied.
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That color scheme is autistic as fuck.
>Chile alone
everytime
>biggest fucking colony in LatAm?
But that's not true. Brazil has 8.5 million km2 and hispanoamerica has 10.5 million