Attention all koders: how the fuck do you answer this question >So what do you do for a living, user?
Programmer? Developer? Software engineer? "I work with computers"?
No matter what i call myself normies always say shit like >ooooh so you're IT right? God fucking damn My official title is "Software engineer" and yours probably too, but let's be frank here, programming isn't ((theoretically)) engineering, even though my team is hardware and firmware too. I would just tell people I'm an engineer but there's always the chance of an actual engineer being the one asking, and then I'd just feel like a fake faggot.
Am I the only one autistic enough to be bothered being called IT?
Eli Anderson
Is that a boy or a girl (male)?
Nathan Lopez
>actual engineer If it makes you feel any better, ninety nine our of ninety nine engineers are actually fucking idiots.
Jace Nelson
What kind of backwards flyover town do you live in where people call software devs "IT"? If you moved to a city that has more than 3 tech jobs this wouldn't be an issue.
Juan White
I like that shirt. where do I get it?
also yes, stop being autistic. just feel smug that you are superior to them
t. signed, SRE
Isaac Fisher
If it's that big of an issue, just tell them what you do, not your job title. Assuming it isn't confidential, that would at least help dispel the 'Computer-something=IT guy' problem. This is what I do, personally.
Michael Sanders
it does, thank you
>where do I get it? the brand is called Hero Buff
Lincoln Barnes
>he is one of those faggots that wants to be called "engineer" Kill yourself.
Josiah Hernandez
I just tell them that I'm a software engineer. I don't care.
Benjamin Watson
I just tell them that I'm an electrical engineer
Thomas Price
never thought about that, unfortunately it's confidential, what i work on might even piss people off
I don't want to, but if that's what it takes for people to stop calling me IT
Sebastian James
Hey can anyone ID that laptop tho?
Hudson Murphy
software engineer are literally engineer though dude. if you're out there making widgets, gadgets, apps, and other shit then being then you're a software engineer. you're not a theorist or math but instead creating stuff. computer science also includes pure theoretical stuff for people who don't want to make some gayme or website and those are the people who aren't engineer
Alexander Howard
is this some new meme? anybody can pull out a name out their ass because it looks just like any other laptop, what would you do with the id anyway? buy one?
Matthew Hernandez
Either Developer if they have any knowledge of computers, or Computer Programmer if I think they are retarded
Ethan Gray
Software developer would be the neutral term.
Ian Martinez
Calling yourself an Engineer without an engineering degree is lame.
Christopher Smith
Programming is engineering.
Nathan Perry
who is this fine piece of man?
Gavin Wright
Designing programs is engineering. Programming is just a craft.
Liam Gonzalez
I always answer software engineer, is what I am.
Cooper Williams
my thoughts exactly, but then why do so many big name companies call their programmers engineers? i even noticed a lot of them have roles both in software development and software engineering so they are differentiated
Luke Walker
How can you program without designing programs? Unless you're doing the most absolute simple stuff, I mean.
Jace Foster
>How can you program without designing programs? It's what pajeets are used for.
Ian Gutierrez
I just tell them I'm an information wizard.
Camden Cruz
>engineer >drag and drop CAD components in a program made by programmers to design stuff >lol programmers aren't engineer
David Cooper
fits better than 'scientist' though
Thomas Kelly
you guys have esteem issues. if you're an actual programmer then you're an engineer. it's like thinking you're not an engineer unless you build the entire building yourself. also, a piece of paper that barely can be used to wipe your own ass isn't what's required to be engineers. they existed before any garbage like the current status of degrees existed
Grayson Reed
>2011 was six years ago
Luis Bennett
Who cares, if you don't wanna take a break from the crusty ketchup build up pussy of fucking normie bitches and ensure that qt can just drop a shit on your chest the next day without pushing then you're the biggest fucking faggot ever.
Eli Allen
I never fucking realised that technically we're scientists
Thomas Carter
No, engineers are not scientists, and scientists are not engineers. Engineers apply science, scientists discover new science.
Sebastian Taylor
What's with all the hate against Sup Forums? It's cool to play videogames, the people who do it are unique and intelligent
Thomas Wood
>a piece of paper that barely can be used to wipe your own ass isn't what's required to be engineers. /thread
Evan Watson
It's a reference to the name of the degree, retard.
Jason Davis
Programmer >ooooh so you're IT right? no, I make things instead of fix things
Brandon Scott
Bill Nye the bachelor degree guy isn't even a scientist
Lucas Peterson
Do you even read the posts you're replying to? Hope you're trolling, otherwise, my condolences for your mental handicap
Ayden Foster
So have you gotten to my ticket yet?
John Foster
I just say that I do computer stuff. I barely got to write code in the last month. Those golden days as an intern with nothing to do but work on a fresh solo project are long gone.
Jordan Morgan
I live in bay area.
If you say any of those we just assume you're a techie and make increasingly obscure references to gauge ur geek chic.
But really though 50% of the people here work in tech so its not really a issue.
Now I am a finance guy but, do I call myself a data analyst a data scientist, fintech? I use python so ...
Angel Edwards
What's your title and what do you do thats taking your time away from programming, user? I really don't want that to happen to me
Eli Mitchell
If that's your title why not
Cameron Allen
>Now I am a finance guy but, do I call myself a data analyst a data scientist, fintech? I use python so ... for finance data analysis most of the work is done on python or is javascript a thing too?
Jaxson Phillips
Sauce on QT?
Jason King
Computer Science is a field of Engineering that is one part theory and one part practice.
The theoretical part formulated the algorithms needed to accomplish a task, the practical part is implementing said algorithms.
When normies ask what you are, just say you are a Computer Scientist, and if they say IT just correc them by saying that IT are the plumbers of hydraulic engineering, to put it analagously, as they solve minor issues, while the Computer Scientists create those issues :^)
And to anyone that says CS is not really a science, fuck off. Computer science uses more pragmatic fields of mathematics than you would in your sorry excuse for a life, and even software engineers (who are worth their salt) have at the minimum a principal understanding of discrete mathematics.
Kevin Fisher
application consultant. mostly support work for existing systems. anything new that's non trivial requires spending 2x the "dev" work on documentation and email. but any established non-IT company already has software they don't want to pay to change, so supporting the old stuff is mostly what happens.
basically my new holy trinity is Microsoft Outlook, Word, and Excel instead of Visual Studio, SQL Server Management Studio, and a web browser.
Luis King
Data Engineer
I tell my friends/family I pretty much move data from one area to another, make it easier for people to find and use.
Adrian Jackson
SE course has about the same amount of math than the CS course in my uni. Ironically it has less EE.
Nicholas Torres
I do Dev/Ops and Systems Engineering which is so much harder to explain to normies than software engineering
After I tell them my job title they ask if Im a programmer or something, and I'm always like "uhh sorta..."
Its pretty lame desu
Jace Anderson
"I get paid to solve problems" will make her {male) wet.
Jace Peterson
javascript is not used in finance and if you wanna do data analysis just bite the bullet and learn python, it'll give you so much more use than JS
Liam Davis
I have a physics PhD, and I hate when people assume I'm and engineer just because I make a living developing software. :^{ )
Daniel Roberts
ok man, thanks for the info do you recommend any books for starting out?
Adam Taylor
>computational "mathematician" >source code "linguist" >artificial intelligence "psychologist" >computer network "sociologist" >electronic "physician" >non carbon "biologist" >silicon "philosopher" >data tree "horticulturist" >system soul "theologian" >non human logic systems of ambiguous gender "womens studies major"
Jackson Hernandez
It's also sometimes illegal.
Nathaniel Diaz
I feel you bra Feels weird explaining systems engineering
Aaron Wood
That's because EE uses more calculus than SE does.
Julian Butler
>Designing programs is engineering. >Programming is just a craft. half the shit out there is unplanned shit just hacked together continuously piling on to itself with little to no 'engineering' done >ie javascript >ie linux's 15 million lines of code >ie agile development
Jose Robinson
pretty much this, for me
Lucas Mitchell
The CS electronics courses in my uni barely use any math.
Jonathan Torres
How do you started developing software?
Jackson Lee
Depending on your school's program, or the country you take it, a CS degree can sometimes have more math than EE.
Thomas Wood
Brogrammer.
Kevin Phillips
idk man, I've never used a book to learn a language
but if you already know another language you might as well start developing some stuff and google whenever you encounter a problem, python is pretty close to pseudo code
Blake Kelly
>half the shit out there is unplanned shit just hacked together continuously piling on to itself with little to no 'engineering' done because there are a lot of code monkeys who know how to speak high-level languages and type them out to do things, but don't know what a Boolean matrix is, a cluster of morons who know how to walk the walk, but not how to talk the talk. Useful idiots. That and business managers who have no idea how programming works push for impossible deadlines so even the good ones are forced to use the ugliest, messiest, and most error-prone method possible in order to meet the deadlines of the jack-ass higher-ups.
When you see good code that does something really well, know that it was put together by a well educated CS major who had manageable deadlines.
Owen Myers
who is that semen demon OP?
Carson Rodriguez
p51 or p71 if the dgpu is a must have
Brayden Hall
I don't have a degree, but I go with "software developer" because I develop software. No need to dress it up
Zachary Miller
for me at least CS was in the College of Engineering. True that I didn't have to take the FE though
Oliver Williams
people don't really get how much of a science computer science is cause they're retards who just do php webdev shit or want to be a gaymer. they don't understand cs is pushing the theoretical limits of understanding even more than stuff like stuff physics. it's an honor to engineers actual competent computer scientist to be called engineer.
William Johnson
>I would just tell people I'm an engineer but there's always the chance of an actual engineer being the one asking
I know this feel. The same goes for Computer "Scientist" like Software "Engineer" I'm also studying EE so maybe one day I'll feel as If I earned the title.
Carter Adams
What do you work on?
Grayson Robinson
My official job title is "Computer Scientist" But I have a Masters degree and work in research.
Kevin Evans
But you work in in research to improve computers, whether it be software or hardware, so 'scientist' is the right term. 'Engineer' isn't a protected title like 'doctor', so literally every trade likes to slap the word 'engineer' to sound better/smarter. No engineer gives a shit about the title at this point except crusty old fucks.
Eli Long
>literally every trade likes to slap the word 'engineer' to sound better/smarter
If you look at new job postings, "analyst" is another term they beat to death. Programmer? Programmer Analyst. Sysadmin? Systems/Network Analyst. Mop floors? Facilities Analyst.
Sebastian Evans
Most states will fine you for saying that you're an engineer without having a license
Nathaniel Anderson
yo who is dis. do they wanna join a discord with other ""''programmers"""" : 3
Isaac White
IT guy= mousemonkey Engineer= Technician They are the same
Eli Phillips
>is just a craft >witch craft
Code Sorcerer -> Code Wizard -> Bit God.
Aaron Hall
>99.999% of software engineers >doing engineering Sure. Except for formal verification, there is nothing you do that resembles engineering. It's a disgrace to call it engineering.
Matthew Fisher
>muh prestigious engineering!1111 Please tell me what you consider engineering, because these days all """engineers""" do is move shit around in AutoCAD and mash shit together in Solidworks until it fits. If you're not a fucking retard that tries to shit out buggy software, you're going to be doing more """"""""""engineering"""""""""" work than the average mechanical/chemical/sanitation/transparent wall engineer. Hell, electrical """engineers""" used to put fucking relays into boxes and run wires between them, they've been replaced with controls """engineers""". 99% of those dumb fucks don't know what a fucking deadlock is or how to resolve one. Engineering is a fucking joke so stop talking about it like you have a clue about what these fucking monkeys do in the industry.
Joshua Sanders
what's with the obvious guy dressed up as a girl?
Lincoln Hill
You sound like you are 15. What do you write? PHP?
Logan Torres
>Except for formal verification, huh? >engineers builds a bridge >"formally verifies it" >it collapses later and lots of people die wow, is this the power of verification? there's countless engineers making absolute garbage out there. in fact, being a competent computer scientist is a lot more challenging than being a mediocre engineer. like the other user said it's the software engineers making the programs the "engineers" use to build shit. ai can easily build houses better than "engineers" but it takes a software engineer to make the ai
Hudson Foster
You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about
Jaxon Morales
>""''programmers"""" Is this a new term for traps?
Ryan Taylor
"I work as an warehouse clerk" >inb4 you know komputars? Mine is acting weired, could you have a look?
Lucas Nelson
I love you
Jeremiah Butler
Just say Software Engineer. Jesus, it's not that hard and if people automatically think you mean IT then who gives a shit? Technically software development all falls under the umbrella of 'IT' which would mean they're correct anyway.
Camden Cook
What am I if I develop automatic tests?
A tester? A developer?
LinkedIn if full of test managers, test analysts, test whatever.
The sanest definition I stumbled upon is SDET.
Jackson Powell
A developer of automated testing software
Joseph Ross
The difference is in how they model things they're working with. While true engineers use mathematically sound methods and can say "this component will work under these circumstances and up to this load", software engineers draw bubbles and boxes on whiteboard and handwave their systems into production. In the better case. Most of the software people work with lacks even this child-level "specification", they can say absolutely nothing about the system with certainity except "it will fail". Formal verification bring SE up to the engineering standard but it's too hard so no one does it.
Levi Nelson
Nothing wrong with playing videogames. But there's a lot wrong with Sup Forums. Namely the average age.
Lincoln Morales
>I would just tell people I'm an engineer but there's always the chance of an actual engineer being the one asking,
Legit concern in Europe
In the USA "Engineer" is just a title anyone can assume >Interaction engineer >Social justice engineer
etc.
In Europe it more strictly refers to people who have an engineering degree
Somehow my title is "Software engineer" (probably because it should translate well), but I'm the only one with a CS degree in a team of actual engineers, so I just say "programmer"
Have never felt any need to impress the person asking
Leo Wilson
I call myself a Rustacean.
Leo Adams
Just say your'e an artist.A performance artist.
Easton Green
>"I work with computers" I just tell people that I'm unemployed. Nobody demands free tech support of me when they don't know I work with computers. I don't have to deal with explaining to people that I rather not spend 1-3 hours on their shitbox for free. That their offer of one free dinner invite (spaghetti) is not good enough.
Jackson Diaz
I just avoid talking to people in general.
Daniel Taylor
you can at least say 'programmer', try explaining what a sysadmin does to casual normies..... I just tell them I work with computers so they can leave me alone and stop asking dumb questions