Why is broadband internet still a piece of shit in the United States? Supposedly the "most advanced country in the world"?
When in fact, broadband internet is owned by 2-3 corporations and they set pricing and speeds as they see fit without any direct competition.
Is Sup Forums open to it being considered a utility and government regulated?
Municipal broadband is a joke also, most don't make enough money to pay the debt for over 100 years or more.
Because we let private companies control it, and their goal is to make money rather than provide good service.
I don't think the point of minimal broadband is to make money.
Municipal, I mean.
> "most advanced country in the world"
also the "most greedy bunch of crooks in the world"
You mean private company*?
Most areas have either ADSL (which is trash) or Cable (which yields the highest speeds).
The rare fiber optic connections are good but they defeinitely are not avaialble everywhere. Even where I live which is a largely populated area (Los Angeles) I don't even have access to Verizon FIOS or Google Fiber.
So one company rules the broadband connection and literally no competition.
Maybe you misunderstood me, they don't make enough money to pay for their infrastructure.
Except fiber optics arent ran to your house so it's the same analog coaxial as cable rendering it pointless
>The rare fiber optic connections are good but they defeinitely are not avaialble everywhere. Even where I live which is a largely populated area (Los Angeles) I don't even have access to Verizon FIOS or Google Fiber.
To be fair, it's not like no one would want to offer fiber in LA. It would just be retardedly expensive.
If you really want LA to get fiber you should lobby your local politicians to require fiber installations of all building projects from 2018 onwards. When roadway projects are being done they should be required to install fiber under the road. When an apartment building goes up it should be pre-wired for fiber and ready to hook up to a larger backbone, etc.
But that costs money and I doubt you'll see it happening, far easier to blame companies who don't want to invest all their money into a network they wouldn't see profit on for 20-50 years.
>Except fiber optics arent ran to your house
Says who?
I have fiber to my house.
... which will only benefit the wealthy, the only ones buying new construction in LA. So we will have a government handout to the ones who need the least.
>tfw spectrum 20down/4up
It has to start somewhere, and the wealthy are the ones who are going to pay for it.
Just realize, the cost to install fiber to an existing property is absurdly expensive. Upwards of $1,000 per customer in some situations.
Is this actually the state of Sup Forums? You'd take someones well earned money in order to fund "much bad internet speeds", just so you can whine on the internet? If you really wanted to fix the problem, you'd enter the market and become a competitor yourself but I guess that's too much work for you guys.
65/10 for me.
>but I guess that's too much work for you guys.
I know this is a troll post, but just to be clear, to enter the market requires you to either purchase wholesale from an existing ISP, or to create your own from scratch which would probably be at minimum several million dollars for a small town in bumfuck nowhere. If you're in a decent sized city you're looking at several hundred million $ capital investment before you ever start making a cent back.
Good luck finding investors willing to back you against the monopolies we currently have as ISPs.
The wealthy are going to pay for it. This means that it shouldn't be a compulsory law, but an understood fact by the housing and telecom market. Government doing a terrible job is what got us here in the first place.
Overprovisioned in my area: 120/15, for a nominal speed of 100/10
Charter charges me $100 a mounth for 100/4 and half the time its down
I'm hoping to GOD some wireless company like T Mobile offers 5G at at least Gig speeds and I can tell all the fucking Telcos to fuck off.
Would even let them put the fucking antenna on My roof top or Back yard if they give me free Internet.
I find it almost impossible to believe the people against net neutrality and muni broadband are anything other than shitposters and literal shills.
Because people like Donald J Trump put former Verizon Execs as the head of the FCC.
lol yes internet infrastructure was just peachy until January 20 2017
You mean Obama, right?
Can't we just start our own ISP?
Internet is pretty good in the US if you don't live in a flyover state or the middle of nowhere. $80 a month for 200down/35up is good enough for me.
>but an understood fact by the housing and telecom market
yeah good luck convincing them of that retard. Government regulation is literally the only way you'll get corporations to give a fuck about people.
That basically just goes to show the north east is still the heart of the US. Has been ever since we first settled here.
>Is Sup Forums open to it being considered a utility and government regulated?
No but I would like to see the local monopoly rules overturned. More regulation is not why this country elected Trump dumbass.
yeah, most though he was a retarded billionare failure and didn't vote for either candidate.
At least, where I live, OPs pictured ISP appears to have fiber everywhere on their internal network up to the block distribution hardware, but not to the home. I spent a week running automated ping testing of randomized targets and the results across the country were consistent.
Now if only Spectrum would stop giving out those shitty Intel-powered modems.
To be honest, it's more like republicans bitch about regulation and then make the laws so shitty that it HAS to fail and then point their figures at the failure as proof regulation doesn't actually work.
Proper regulation (electric, gas, telephone industry, etc) is possible and when done well not an issue at all. It's half assed shitty regulation that gives companies enough leeway to continue fucking everyone that's the real issue. Republicans love to fuck up government regulation since it literally "proves" their point to anyone who isn't educated and paying attention to the situation before and after.
>Why is broadband internet still a piece of shit in the United States?
population density is very sparse
more nodes are needed to support the physical area
each node requires extremely expensive equipment (for high speed) to be installed, and supported
nodes need to support the infrastructure for routing the outside traffic to the customer, meaning node to node communication which once again makes things yet more expensive
TAX CUTS LOWER SPENDING TAX CUTS LOWER SPENDING TAX CUTS LOWER SPENDING mantra from the public (read: from the elected officials) plus the big name ISPs never wanting to deploy their own copper and instead use government infrastructure means stuff is never up to date
Actually sane lolbertarian here. The problem is democrats are too retarded to understand real problems and republicans are getting paid off by the Comcast, Verizon and Spectrum. A real solution would be declaring residential lines as infrastructure, mandating maximum pricing, minimum service level, and subsidizing co-op broadband. The last mile of Internet is like electricity, gas or water and should be regulated as such. That won't happen though, we're just in too deep. Instead states are going to have to individually put the screws down on these huge companies and make them lower prices, invest in infrastructure and allow competition.
>then make the laws so shitty that it HAS to fail
nice generalization sweetie
taft broke up standard oil and presided over anti-monopoly law creation
your pilpul is ok but you're obviously not in possession of a very firm grasp of history
Nigga, I'm in the far suburbs of a major city and I pay 80/mo for a gig up/down
You realize the parties basically switched in the 1930-50's right?
The Taft you describe would be the equivalent to a modern day democrat.
And you say I don't have a grasp on history? Fuck off moron.
Depends what you mean by "far" suburb.
If you're 20 minutes out of a major city that's not a far suburb. If you're an hour out from the closest city then okay that's impressive.
>the parties basically switched
this is a myth promulgated by feminists, black lives matters idiots, sjws, and soy boys meant to excuse the very obvious problems in the democratic party and their blindness to them
Same here, possibly the only upside to living in a pseudo-ghetto where half the area residents live on welfare. On that note isn't the transmission efficiency of ethernet ~98.5%?
At least I can download new 50GB games in an hour with consistent 14.8MB/s I guess that counteracts having to walk around with a gun every day. Internet's more important than the real world anyways since we all live in the Matrix and those 9/11 files won't release themselves am I right?
It's clearly recorded in history, just look at electoral maps from ~1880-1960.
>On that note isn't the transmission efficiency of ethernet ~98.5%?
What do you mean by this?
TCP/IP packet overhead is ~5.5% with normal frame sizes, you can reduce this to ~1-2% with jumbo frames, but no ISP supports jumbo frames anyway so it would only matter for LAN file transfers.
1000mbps ethernet maximum throughput is roughly 945mbps.
Was asking to clarify because I was having a retard moment in looking up the frame efficiency.
So that means my ~14.8MB/s is in reality ~15.54 which is 125Mbps which is a 25% overprovision from the ISP which is great because that means I can download 5 youtube streams while playing 3 games while running e-hentai's torrent protocol while hacking into my grandmother's secret CIA file host while doxxing a dozen popular twitter users while jerking off to amputee midget beastiality vore porn while facetiming my mother from the moon.
Thanks user you're the best
yes we know that democrats used gerrymandering to their advantage in the past
but they never switched platforms
lol, you're an actual retard if you pretend to know anything about history and still argue this.
Thankfully anyone reading this even slightly educated with highschool level history will remember this and recognize you're the retard.
The basic gist of it is that the parties switched names, did not switch policy.
The whole thing is meaningless anyways because what they did 150 years ago just does not fucking matter one bit towards what we have to deal with today, and arguing about who said what and affiliated with which color banner is a deflection from real issues.
In any event this has nothing to do with the thread so I'll say for the first time go back to Sup Forums and bounce on your favorite black friend's dick.
Doc 3.1 coming really soon
>but they never switched platforms
literally what the southern strategy was and only a revisionist retard like you would think otherwise
It wont change things for most people until DOCSIS 3.1 full duplex.
That actually has the chance to compete with fiber to the home networks.
I'm getting municipal fiber here in a month it's 1 gigabit up and down for $70 a month, I almost feel sorry for the rest of you.
start making an argument any time, like jeez take a sociology and white privilege class GOL I can't even
that's the claim democrats make largely to try to win the votes of airheads who the dnc seeing pic related and connecting the dots
regardless, the republicans are more apt to break up monopolies and such than the democrats are, and to loosen regulations which are currently the bane of OP who just needs more competition in his broadband market, not more government rules and regulations
no, it was to try to appeal to idiots by claiming they had switched sides
no actual side switching took place, just the netting of clinically retarded fish like you
yeah man they should just tax the middle class whites to give free fiber lines to every homeless mexican in california
Because the hardest part is hooking up ruralfags who live 3 hours from the nearest big city
>who just needs more competition in his broadband market
this is an impossibility with ISPs and WHY we need actual fucking regulation.
HOW do you create your own ISP? It's easy enough if you have a few billion dollars laying around, but even then, unless you get big enough to make decent deals with the backbone operators in the US, you'll never stand a chance against comcast/verizon/spectrum, etc.
It's all well and good to pretend competition will fix everything, but the barrier to enter the market is MASSIVE amounts of capital funding, and unless you have literally $500m+ you'll never get large enough to get proper backbone access like the big players have.
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To be fair, most parts of la county did have access to Verizon FiOS, which became frontier. Frontier is shit so I switched to spectrum (mainly because of the Monopoly on airing Dodger games which is another issue)
You can bring your own modem and router.
It won't change much anyways since most people don't have the need to utilize even a 100/10 connection and companies (in the US at least) deploy equipment based on statistical usage averages and not "well let's do it because why not".
The only thing I envy about people with FTTH is ping time to game servers and the older I get the less time I play games where lag matters, and in general the less time I play games at all. So enjoy that gigabit capability that most web servers can't provide any real benefit to you unless you're ridiculously hardcore with torrenting and use 20TBs plus web hosting to manage all that data you're never going to actually meaningfully sift through in your lifetime.
Bell and ATT was destroyed, to great positive effect for the rest of us, starting back in the 70's. Now some decades later most of those companies have merged back into the mother/parent company and we're seeing the same negative shit happening all over again.
The main difference being that today it appears that nothing is going to happen to prevent massive monopolization again because both "parties" in the US of A are in bed deep with the money and everyone just accepts that profit is the only thing that matters regardless that ~70% of the population has no shareholder vested interest in any of these corporations that ru(i)n their lives, and people vote to support whatever socialized feel-good policy they take to make themselves look like morally better people regardless of how it's going to be abused to fuck all of us over.
Shadow goverment runs the world and the 20 poeple controlling 98% of the money flow are willing to kill anyone who disagrees with globalizing production at the detriment of more advanced societies, your lives are meaningless.
Meant to reply for the second reply.
>HOW do you create your own ISP?
There are literally thousands of small local and regional ISPs in the US user. They seem to have figured it out.
>the barrier to enter the market is MASSIVE amounts of capital funding
This isn't true, I know a local business owner who started an ISP simply to help with their small time forestry business, they have a couple hundred customers now and it's all over the relatively cheap microwave spectrum.
Perhaps you'll never develop a business plan and attract investors to generate the startup money you'd need to start an ISP but plenty of other people have and are doing just fine. Also, why do you assume that they need to compete with the national ISPs? Many of the people who complain about cable internet moan that it's the "ONLY" ISP in their area but all these claims fall flat every time. Every place in the USA has multiple ISPs which can serve them these days, including cellular data, DSL, Wimax and other terrestrial non-cell links, fiber increasingly, ISDN even, on and on and on...
I've been watching these threads pop up here on the chins and they always smell of weak, libtard faggotry and very few actual arguments. Same with the net neutrality posters, when you point out that the proposed Obama net neutrality rules were actually fully fucking retarded and even included gibs and whining about SJW causes, you'll see the real agenda, which is greater and greater government powers over the Internet.
Duopolies, monopolies, etc
Killing net neutrality will make things work because we don't have proper free markets
Shitty corporations and groups have enough money to keep out new small competition in most areas
>There are literally thousands of small local and regional ISPs in the US user. They seem to have figured it out.
Those speeds say otherwise.
Over 450 isps in the US, m8.
>local radio links and DSL and even satellite are fine for 4k netflix
somehow this isn't fast enough
muh ratios
>it's all over the relatively cheap microwave spectrum.
oh so it's actually shit and useless for someone who needs decent internet.
Call me when they have FTTH or point to point ethernet.
Then why do we need more competition m8?
this doesn't include resellers, there are literally thousands of those
>Shitty corporations and groups have enough money to keep out new small competition in most areas
like where user, if it's a huge problem you could cite maybe a half dozen examples for me?
Why are you asking me that question?
4k netflix is 25mbps.
I had 20mbps back in 2005.
I had 150mbps in 2009
I got 1gbps in 2017
4k netlfix is literally nothing to be happy with.
>some competition is good
>lol why have more?
you're a total faggot and you have no argument
because the whole conversation was started by
>which are currently the bane of OP who just needs more competition in his broadband market
Who claims we need more competition.
Because the current competition ISN'T competition. Their footprints are tiny and they can't afford to actually deploy in large scale. Not to mention I highly doubt they have the corporate structure TO scale up that big.
>proper 4K is 130KB per frame
God damn you dumb as hell I download 9GB 1080p h265 files because it's the best quality/size ratio if you appreciate visual media.
"4K is 25mbps" yeah if you want to completely waste having a 4K screen
>Because the current competition ISN'T competition.
Yes that's why we just need to get rid of the local monopoly laws and let the market take care of it.
The solution is not to introduce another layer of government caulk into the mix
that's what the companies are serving
also stop pirating media, you're rotting your brain, or at least just go to the library and check out whatever you want and rip it, thanks to grants over the last decade almost every public library in the usa has interlibrary loan for free now
I never said 4k is 25mbps nigger, I said 4k NETFLIX is 25mbps, and that's at MOST. Average bitrate is lower than that.
Youtube 4k bitrates are under 20mbps usually.
lolol so fuck anyone living in rural areas or poor areas is what you're saying.
Cool. I make enough where it wouldn't effect me. Good luck ever getting yourself or your parents connected.
>legitimizing the cashflow of corrupt Hollywood media in any way
Yeah naw how about ride this dick like the waxed ass-boy you are.
Fair enough nigger.
I live in a rural area and there are eight ISPs to choose from here.
Speeds ranging from 1mbps all the way up to 20mbps huh?
>wants the brainwashing but doesn't want to pay for it
>thinking the movies and such haven't already been donated to libraries by these media companies for write offs and such
read a book user
you can go practically anywhere in the usa and get wimax user
same with cell data
I get 65/10 here in very rural Tn
>implying I can't actively disseminate the "hidden" socio-political meanings behind scenes while still watching the movie's story for just the story
Years spent on Sup Forums and much time on Sup Forums itself has trained me to be unable to enjoy anything, ever.
Now bounce on this dick cockboi.
>thread has devolved into city fags Vs. rural america
>fixed wireless data
>what are ping times
fuck off moron we're talking about real internet here
Not bad, but nothing to really be happy with, if you're truly in bumfuck nowhere, I guess it's probably about as good as it gets. But still, I had those speeds available back in 2008.
I feel lucky to have anything besides satellite. Many people out here don't.
you bore me
>fuck off moron we're talking about real internet here
keep moving those goalposts user, first there was "no" internet in rural areas, now you've devolved into gaymer-tier spleen venting
next thing you'll be flapping your arms and HUUU HUUUUUUing about what? those rural and suburban retards not having Netflix and Amazon CDN colos in their small towns for even faster movie viewing?
sheeeit you lost this time
>Many people out here don't
And that was my point, sure, there are people in rural areas with decent internet, but the vast majority simply don't, and it has nothing to do with regulation, it's mostly due to the fact infrastructure is expensive, and no one wants to pay to lay fiber to all these rural dwellings, half of which probably wouldn't even pay for service, or if they did it would be the cheapest level available.
>keep moving those goalposts user, first there was "no" internet in rural areas, now you've devolved into gaymer-tier spleen venting
Well hurrr in that case you can get internet literally anywhere in the world.
Just get your ISP to dedicate a satellite to you and only you, plenty of bandwidth. Ping doesn't matter. Cost to the ISP obviously doesnt matter to you, with enough competition, they'll be fine.
Good luck!
>the vast majority simply don't
source: your ass
>source
...how about the average US internet speed you fucking retard.
You can't HONESTLY believe rural areas in this country have access to decent internet en masse.
Sure, some rural areas have decent internet. But the fact is most don't have that access. They have wireless, satellite, or DSL. Sometimes low-tier DOCSIS.
Ehh, he's not wrong, really. Once you get outside a few miles from town, it's fucked. But they knew that moving out in the sticks
The places where you literally can't get internet that's fast enough for everything for 99% of all people in the USA are so unpopulated that it's pointless to provide it.
I love how hacktivists ITT are trying to make this into a social issue, well jeez you racist shitlords, if your poor rural and suburban retards don't have at least gigabit fiber to the home with a sub-5ms ping time to anywhere in the usa, this is a human disaster of unimaginable scale.
Imagine all those rednecks (who I obviously hate as you can tell by my rhetoric and inability to keep myself from virtue signaling and insulting people constantly in my rhetoric) who won't be watching the latest Netflix originals in 4k! It's a shoah!
>Ehh,
you have to go ßack to ®eddit
also you're wrong, you can obtain high speed internet practically everywhere in the usa
Kiwi here, I live rurual my and have a 1gbps fiber connection to my home
Well you know there was this one time in kindergarten where I became king of the jungle gym at recess by kicking everyone off the highest spot onto the woodchips and after the third kid got sent to the nurse's office my parents had to leave work early to talk to the principle about my violent behavior and after I got coerced into saying my parents ritually beat me in the basement while I was tied up to a cross like jesus around candle votives in a star circle we had to get investigated by the county CPS needless to say they hid the damage from the twice daily beatings which followed very well as my mother was a cosmetics saleswoman before finding full time employment as a secretary for a law office specializing in child abuse cases. After all the rubble and smoke cleared I went to live with my weird uncle whom among teaching me things like carpentry and interior design taught me the power of man-boy love as we would relax in his sauna room many times a week with me sitting on his lap for most sessions. It was only after I fought for emancipation that I realized that his holy rod was not a gift from god and that my anal fissures and hemorrhoids were not budding blessings of maturity but in fact deeply scarring child abuse incidents I will never recover from.
I now spend my days collecting neighborhood pets, sometimes breaking into my neighbor's houses to do so, and torturing them to death in the same ritualized manner as I was when I was a young child. Recently I took care of the cats by trapping them in a large basement room with about half a dozen dogs I hadn't fed for about 5 days, all on tape.
I'll talk to you guys later the newest shipment of SE-Asian child slaves just arrived in a large FedEx box to my back door and after I payed off the delivery man as is our normal bi-weekly custom I'll select the best of the litter for myself, and the rest will entertain some very rich people on a live stream while the dogs get their own fill of the fun.
Xiao!
>a least 768kbps down and 200kbps up
that's not high speed internet user
>Kiwi here, I live rurual
You're on an island, literally nowhere is "rural" when compared to the US.
There are rural areas in the US where you can drive 2+ hours before you find anything resembling a town.