Memory Prices

>ask Sup Forums why memory prices are so high
>they tell me it's because of price fixing, oligopoly, and corporate greed
>read up myself why it's happening
>it's actually because 3D NAND production unexpectedly sucks and nobody wants to invest in the current dead-end 2D NAND, so the supply is low

Why the fuck can't people explain things correctly?

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Became you asked a video games board about hardware, how retard are you?

It's just the usual price fixing dumbass.

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A NAND factory fucked up big time.

>I could have actually researched something
Why don't people google before asking questions?

I like how a lot of people suddenly forgot about the hynix fire a few years ago. Last year a lot of people kept chanting the same old "RAM has never been cheaper" line, tho RAM was just about to reach the price level they were at 4 years ago. Pricing have really sucked during the past few years.

and how exactly are prices being fixed? is there some sort of memory cartel I'm not aware of? is all memory in the world coming from a single factory?

Nice try, you stinky, greedy, slant-eyed kike.

>“At the same time, changes have occurred in the relationship among the top three suppliers – Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung,” Wu added. “Based on the oligopolistic market situation, the trio have opted for co-existence as the best way to maximize their own profitability. They therefore are turning away from aggressively competing for market share through price reduction and capacity expansion.”
>“In a sense, there a strategic aspect behind the latest wave of DRAM price increase,” said Wu. “In the short term, rising prices lift up margins for suppliers. In the long run, the barrier to keep Chinese competition out of the DRAM market is reinforced.”

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Fuck I'm gonna have to settle for 4GB of ram cause 8GB is too fucking expensive.

Samsung will save us

I mean China will save us

>higher DRAM prices raise the barrier for Chinese companies entering the market
What the fuck is that guy talking about? That makes no sense. Higher prices INCREASE the incentive for the Chinese to join the market.

Sorry I cannot bring my rpi with a keyboard with my at social events m8

They don't need any "incentive", brainlet. They've been trying to do it for a decade.

>In the recent years, the Chinese government has tried to build up domestic DRAM and NAND Flash industries. The period of depressed prices before 2016 was a window of opportunity for Chinese semiconductor companies to acquire international memory manufacturers. The U.S.-based Micron in particular was a sought-after acquisition target as South Korean manufacturers Samsung and SK Hynix continued to remain profitable despite the market downturn and were less inclined to work with the Chinese. With the market making a strong recovery in the second half of 2016, Micron has regained its financial footings by following the South Korean DRAM suppliers in raising prices. Hence chances of Micron developing deep relationships with Chinese semiconductor companies are less likely.

It would take a decade or more for a Chinese competitor to go from starting from scratch to shipping even one product, at an incredible cost taking into account not only setting up labs, but hiring qualified personnel and the mammoth task of R&D in an incredibly complex field as well. And all the while the current cartel are raking in their grossly inflated profits, accumulating more and more money with which to develop better new products, raising the bar to entry even further in the meantime.

Your analysis would make sense if it was an industry that was easy to break into, rather than one of the very hardest. Any Chinese clowns can buy some GPUs from AMD or Nvidia and slap them on a circuit board with a hunk of metal on top, which is why there are so many graphics card vendors. Developing DRAM products from scratch isn't so simple, which is WHY there's a tiny cartel of three companies controlling the entire market.

>that feel when I bought 64GB of RAM (for my personal desktop) when it was really cheap before the price fuck ups and continuous rise
>everyone said I was crazy
comfy as fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>chinks
>price fixing

Instead of fucking up, why not just SAY you fucked up and don't bother to make as much and charge people more for decreased supply?

You spend social events posting on Sup Forums?

The 64GB DDR4 kit I bought last year for $415 is $1015. Fuck Bitcoin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing
>In 2002, the United States Department of Justice, under the Sherman Antitrust Act, began a probe into the activities of dynamic random access memory (DRAM) manufacturers.
>To date, five manufacturers have pleaded guilty to their involvement in an international price-fixing conspiracy including Hynix, Infineon, Micron Technology, Samsung, and Elpida.

Guess who the current RAM manufacturers are?
>Samsung, Hynix, Micron

Retardo user:
>There's NO WAY these guys whov'e been guilty of price fixing in the past would conspire to price fix again. That's RIDICULOUS!

wait a minute. why doesn't DOJ begin another probe inti samshit, hynx and micron?

The government is more corrupt and more easily bribed now. The pretense of doing anything in favor of the voter is almost evaporated, the only parties getting actual representation in congress and the rest of the government are multinational, multibillion dollar corporations.

As expected of a country run by a fucking cult.
Worst Korea indeed.

Think god I got my 32GB back in the day when most people were rocking away with 4GB in there desktops. (Windows 7 tops out at 192GB, with hardware limits now, cpu limit that is, it's sad we won't ever get to see a Windows 7 Ultimate box with 192GB of ram.

It's fucking ridiculous. When I bought my rig in late 2014 I got 8Gb of DDR3 1600 for $75. The exact same ram today is still $75, and it's just some simple corsair ram, no GAYMUR bullshit. How the fuck is that possible?

>why memory prices are so high
I forget

4+GB phones.

Thats fucking illegal

>mfw I got 32GB of ddr4 for $160 when ddr4 was still considered bleeding edge
>Mfw the same exact 16GB kits I bought for $80 a piece are now $170 each

DDR4 is a shitty meme, DDR3 is where it's at.

Nothing will be done until it affects the bottom line of megacorps

e.g. when some exec at faceberg or google or microsoft or amazon balks at the price of RAM and decides it's time to bribe a few representatives and pay some media PR companies to take action.

>believing the jews

call the police

The profits clearly aren't that lucrative then. If the payoff for collusion were that high, any one of the mega-banks could under-write an insured note on the completion of a competing small project with the intent to scale. If current producers tried to flood them out, they would no longer be raking in those outsized profits. If they allowed the new competitor to show up, they would be making outsized profits, albeit on fewer units to start, and thereby funding their growth cycle.

We all bought cheap shit like that and even then we tough its prices skyrocked, Fuck, I bought a 16GB kit for like 6€ more because I wanted the white kit, pic related, and I though I was wasting a lot of money because the DDR4 would be cheaper at that amount of memory.

>tfw thinking about getting an old 775 with a cheap Xeon and mobo and then 16GB 2000MHz RAM but just the RAM would be the double of CPU+MOBO

>explaining how the free market works
filthy goyim, socialism is the only answer!

>everything is muh jewish boogeyman
why don't you contain yourself to ?

Why's that?

Go the fuck back to leaddit, you whiney cuntflap.

Once you step outside this board you realize this is how it is for a lot of stuff. This is just kids talking conspiracy theories who don't have any real world experience.

I suppose higher investment from 'private investors' (the multinational corporations themselves) in order to provide the much sought after loans the US government took out to fund their force exertion in the Middle East. George Bush pushed the Reaganomics bullshit to the extreme and basically permanently fucked up the economy for the foreseeable future. Obama cemented the fact when he bailed out the banks as a means of keeping everything afloat and Donald Trump seems to just be carrying on that legacy (of Obama, not Bush).

So Ram is controlled by the 5 big manufactures they get to dictate the prices of the chips that the other distributors have to sell at. As a result you probably noticed a huge jump in prices.

Something else you should keep your eyes on is NVMe drives they have been doing the exact same thing with those.

Just like in the past from here 5 years they will get a law suit against them for price fixing. Its almost that time again.

So Sup Forums were right and Sup Forums were autismal sperglords again?
HAHAHA

just how bad can lawsuits get?
do they actually hurt the companies or is it only a fraction of their criminal revenue?
can it break tgem up into smaler companies?

So afaik there were 3 lawsuits
One in 2010,2012 and 2014
the one in 2014 was the biggest. It didnt hurt the company but it did make a small impact but as a result they were forced to reduce the price of the chips and ended up inching them higher to where we stand today.

You cant break them up into smaller companies since the chips where manufactured and owned by the big 5.

I bought 16 GB DDR4-2666 for 45 € last year. The same kit costs 120 € now.

Thats why I don't go for 32 GB, its worthless and costs too much for no effect.

thats bullshit user.
they are making extremely high profits now cause of this. same happened with hard drives prices. after the "flood"

same happened when 1366 motherboards was made.

they are just ripping us off.

>DRAM
>NAND

>they tell me it's because of price fixing, oligopoly, and corporate greed
>it's actually because 3D NAND production unexpectedly sucks and nobody wants to invest in the current dead-end 2D NAND, so the supply is low

OP is the dumbest mother fucker ever

:(

Memory prices for mainstream-tier shit is cheap as fuck. It just suffers from commodity shocks.

Server-tier memory stuff has always been bloody expensive but then again its intended market has always been willing to pay for those prices.