Are coffee-lake processors a bunch of junk? They barely give you any noticeable improvements over previous generations. The 8700k when it comes to gaming is on par with the i7 2600k and double the price.
The benchmarks and reviews on the I7 8700K are also not to be taken as legitimate, simply because ASUS motherboards for one have an option called "multi-core enhancement" that is set on Auto. What it does is it basically over-clocks your CPU without your knowledge.
Maybe, if the 2600K is heavily overclocked. But yes, its on par with a 5820K (Same clock) which was the same price three years ago. From a 2600K it should be a 50 % advantage, more smoothness and high-FPS.
Jordan Mitchell
>if the 2600K is heavily overclocked
But you are wrong, boy. 2600k is basically nearly on par with the 8700k gaming wise.
Nolan Bailey
Can you prove it? It may have 20 % less FPS (which would be at least near the 8700K) but its clearly faster. It has two additional cores. And a bit of IPC gain at more clock.
2600K sucks if you run them on their base clock, 4.5 Ghz+ are still fine.
Grayson Johnson
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Angel Gomez
>Is a gamuhr >unironically tries to nitpick on a technicality he has no comprehension of.
David Phillips
I5 8600k is a beast and anyone who claims it runs equal to their 2gen is in pure denial of wanting to upgrade >get ps3
Hudson Powell
>a beast
Ow that's a REALLY good argument. Very credible. You sound like a real expert on the matter. The image posted with your argument was also very informative. Thanks. Real good contribution to this thread. Totally "upgrading" my 2nd gen CPU now, although it runs anything I throw at it.
No seriously. For gaymen 2nd gen is fine. If you need more threads for other applications an upgrade is needed but Intel is not the best way to get those threads.
Cameron Clark
Interesting, but only five titles, and I don't expect the 2600K to be worse at 60 FPS. 6+ cores only shine when you are going to drive 60+ Hz. Would be a downgrade for me, I'm enjoying this kind of performance since 2015. Paired with Quadchannel DDR4 and a longer lasting platform.
I wouldn't upgrade if I was the 2600K guy and play at 60 Hz.
Connor Campbell
the whole point is that if you are doing a new build _right_now_ the current state of the art is pretty good
if you are 'upgrading' you wouldn't use this shit
it's for system integrators and the lot to one-up the competition's selling points
like fucking read a book on business
Jose Rivera
>Neck yourself.
Joshua Jones
AMD Ryzen > Intel
Luis Thompson
CPU brand name > company
Henry Diaz
>tfw upgrading from FX 8320 to i5 8400 I still retreat buying that piece of shit after almost 4 years.
Brody Fisher
The mobile chips ( kaby R) should be decent, but they are a response to Ryzen mobile. If you look at intel's plans for 8th gen, they want to include coffeelake as desktop, kaby-R as mobile, and cannonlake as core m
All in the same generation because they are running out of numbers.
Lincoln Johnson
went from a 8120 to 1600x. probably the ssd had a more substantial difference
Ian Lopez
Upgraded from i7-4770k to a ryzen r1700 at 4ghz 3200mhz 14cl and noticed a big bump in smoothness
And now I have a 8700k 5.2ghz at 3600mhz 14cl and it's even smoother. That cpu is great. Glad ryzen made Intel actually work a little on that one, 6 cores is sexy
Julian Wood
It isn't that far off, really.
From the 2600k came 3770k, which was just a shrink to lower nm process and no improvement on IPC.
The 4770k then had 5-10% better IPC, 5775c only had other improvements such as better igpu.
6700k again had 5-10% better IPC, 7700k had nothing, and 8700k is the same, only with 2 extra cores.
So that means from sandy bridge to coffe lake, there's 10-20% better performance at best if they all ran at 3.4ghz like the 2600k.
This is what is so funny about the people "upgrading" their rig to the latest every new gen. Such a waste.
Christian Diaz
It's really stupid. There's no reason to upgrade every time a new CPU is released. Only reason I would upgrade before the minimum threshold of 3 years is if I was using a CPU and it suddenly got damaged. Or if there is a huge leap in processing tech.
Adam Nelson
>claims CPU is shit >uses gaming as an argument When will these people just die from drowning in their own piss and tears? It's the fucking [[[current year]]], ANY FUCKING CPU CAN DO A DECENT JOB AT GAMING, so how about you learn to actually do something productive with your system instead of playing games all day? Maybe if you actually had a job you wouldn't be shitting yourself over a $50 difference between chips and just buy whatever improved your productivity. But no, you have to stick around with a dinosaur and find some straws to grasp to convince others (yourself) that it's fine, when it's really only fine for your sad use case, which is jerking off to 2D mongolian prostitutes and pretend you're saving the universe in some galaxy of micro-transactions far far away.
Kayden Torres
This made 0 sense, just end it mate
Lincoln Long
This, I upgrade when the RAM changes, so DDR5 in 2020 is next.
Ryder Cox
Source?
Caleb Adams
From one point of view, it is quite awful how greedy intel is. But from the other one - if 2600k is almost as good as 8700k, and 8700k offers like 20% or more better single core than ryzen, that means that 2k17 ryzen pretty much can't win 8 years old intel architecture in single core.
Carson Cruz
The AMD stuff was designed for data servers, they just falsely rebranded it as a gaming chip, it is not. I built a threadripper workstation for FEA, it is at least 200% faster than Intel.
Jordan Morgan
add moar coars
Cameron Peterson
If you consider that Intel: - has been lazy since SB - only now got off their ass by adding +2 cores to KL - still charges extra for SMT and overclocking - still insist on not soldering the lid - only paper launched CL (with no stock) months early because Ryzen was kicking KL's ass and Pinnacle Ridge will be a major threat in February , they're not looking so hot right now.
I'm not much for Nvidia either in the graphics card department, but at least they have the performance over the competition to outweigh their corporate tactics. Unless money's no object and you can afford to splurge on a watercooled 8700K. or if you're some weirdo who exlusively plays Arma 3, I don't see much of a reason to not buy Ryzen
Parker Thomas
RyZen is great, I have two systems and use the coffee lake system as my gaming machine. But the R7 1700 is great too
Levi Kelly
>a heavily oced 2600k preforms almost as good as a modern 8th gen in specific examples while drawing quadruple+ the power
I'm not even an Intel shill but come the fuck on.
Isaiah Perry
5GHz OC on my 8700k. I don't see the issue.
Christopher Robinson
Can't you tell what a GPU bottleneck is you cum guzzling nigger?
Carson Stewart
>le 2600k barely unoticable to 8700k meme lmao you fucking retard
Camden Clark
Gaming wise, 8700k is as good as sandy bridge
Jason Thomas
Not that guy, but there has been multiple videos showing the performance different of the generational i7 processors:
Pretty much wasting your money if you are buying an i7 processor and you already have an i7 2600k and upwards.
Hudson Lewis
You think these neckbeards living with mommy pay for electricity?
Samuel Peterson
Do the math on how much electricity you are saving from that and realize how utterly dumb it is to use that argument for a desktop CPU. The reduction in power draw is an argument for mobile CPUs because of the obvious limitations with the battery.
Joseph Cooper
>The 8700k when it comes to gaming is on par with the i7 2600k Nah. Definitely a 5% minimum improvement in gaming, and that's assuming a GPU bottleneck.
Nolan Thomas
>The 8700k when it comes to gaming is on par with the i7 2600k From where do you draw this conclusion?
Juan Powell
>literally, Ryzen > anything Intlel
>trying to be witty and looking retarded instead
Jonathan Young
holy fuck maybe read the fucking thread before jumping in and looking like a clueless Sup Forumsfag
Wyatt Brown
a whole 5%? that's astounding! totally worth the upgrade!
Carson Campbell
That's minimum. Best case scenario. Assuming it's a game that's well designed and able to take full advantage of the GPU without maximizing the CPU...which precludes the majority of games available today. Most modern games at 1080p with a decent GPU you'd see a much more significant difference.
Xavier Moore
>runs like a beast >already capping out near 100% CPU
Tyler Butler
They're a great deal, you get a free operating system + web server included.
Jason Price
Am I supposed to be able to fucking read that?
Gabriel Ortiz
(OP) >>gaymen
>here's a ps4 you child, the ps4 is for professionals, although you said gaming once I'll assume your whole post is for gaming
>even though you're paying more to play the games you already own and paying extra just because they're on PS4, the power saving alone is worth the price
Justin Fisher
I have an fx 8320e, would it be better if i got a cheap i5 2500k for gaming?
Owen Cruz
>get a ps4 >for gaymen What? Why would I buy a blu ray player for video games? I want to play games not watch movies