Does Sup Forums think when net equality ends, ISPs will throttle Sup Forums?

Does Sup Forums think when net equality ends, ISPs will throttle Sup Forums?

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not relevant enough to be throttled

On the contrary, popular plans will just not include 4gag unless you go for the unlimited/premium tier.

Free marktet, goy.

They won't throttle it but just won't include it in their "base" package. Enabling Sup Forums will cost you a fee every month.

Imagine a Sup Forums with most of the Americans removed. >mfw.gif

That should be the least of concerns. More likely it's outright blocked for any number of reasons.

Yes. Or rather, I think they'll sometimes or always go so far to not feature it in cheaper plans without addons, because why would they?

Walmart will probably pay ISPs to be in all pans, but why would Sup Forums?

Yup.

The big companies will come to bulk-rate and promotion / profit-sharing deals with the big ISPs, and everything else will be low-priority if not actively throttled.

Sup Forums is hosted on CloudFlare you retards.

Or outright disabled.

Because that will allow them to sell plans on the customer end that reenable nonpaying sites like those abroads.

Don't see what difference this makes.

Do you access it with walmart.com or associated IP(s)?

No? I guess its not in your plan then. No traffic from or to it for you. Throttling tier 15 traffic if you paid for worldwide flat bronze.

The IPs associated with Sup Forums.org are dynamic and part of the CloudFlare network you fucking retard. If you don't use your ISP's DNS they have no idea what you are accessing.

why do you guys think ISPs will take that much advantage of net neutrality and will monetize or do every shady thing possible like slowing internet in certain packages what if they just let it everything run like usual without any change, not everyone is jew right? RIGHT

>Imagine a Sup Forums with most of the Americans removed
- No more weeb stuff
- No more iphone threads
- No more spilling from Sup Forums
- No more xenophobes

America, you can make this happen! (just don't do anything and let your "free" market do its thing)

Prices have been continually rising under 'net neutrality'. Why would net neutrality prevent ISPs from suddenly deciding to quadruple prices overnight while throttling ever site? Hey! They're still being neutral so it's OK! They ISPs aren't jews right? They would never do that!

forget it. These pro net neutrality fags are as dumb as bricks. All the argument they have is hurr corporate greed durr. Commies aren't human so don't treat them as if they have an ounce of your intelligence

See, then it won't work on your plan I guess.

PS: Please don't pretend they CARE about whether Cloudflare can host Walmart and Sup Forums under arbitrary IPs and URLs or not. They don't.

They'll sell walmart the privilege to be in all plans with no traffic restrictions. And they'll sell you access to nonpaying german companies and 4ch as a premium option. Cloudflare can also pay to function in thos model or they don't get to do what they do.

>John Smith can be written as S. John
>Ajit Pai can be written as P. Ajit.
more like P. Ajeet.

yeah Sup Forums is just being pessimistic isps are bro tier that care about us

Best thing to happen to burgerclaps since 9/11

You fucking idiot. The point is that they have no idea if you are accessing Walmart or Sup Forums. Are the ISPs going to keep an updated list of all the IPs belonging to every web site on the internet at every node in their network, and inspect every packet that gets sent through against that list? What if multiple sites are hosted under the same IP?
Please fuck off if you have no idea what you are talking about reddit shill.

hope you fags are at least getting paid

I truly and sincerely hope you're American.

Enjoy paying for a Canadian VPN and getting leaftrolled on Sup Forums. That flag is the cross you'll have to bear for being so very very wrong about everything.

If you've worked out a deal with ISPs to privilage your traffic, then you'll obviously sort that out, now won't you?

No need to use a VPN. All you have to do is use a different DNS redditor.
pwndizzle.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-to-bypass-sky-broadband-shield.html

Lmao
No more yanks, quality of post go back up.
No more trumptarts from Sup Forums crossboarding
> [spoiler][/spoiler]

Mobile carriers over here (Czechia) are having a jab at non-neutral internet by selling packages that exclude sites like FB or YT from your FUP.

It's a fucking trainwreck, technologically. People ended up paying through the nose and losing their FUP over fucking AD videos because they are apparently hosted elsewhere than usual YT content. Normies are outraged about "paying for ads" right now and some are contemplating buying polish SIM cards because they have way better prices over there and there's no EU roaming anymore.

Depends on how it's implemented.

I used to live in South Korea where all sorts of shit is blocked, and switching DNS has no effect. If the ISPs want (or are compelled by the courts or lawmakers) to make blocks real blocks, they easily can.

You fucking idiot. If its not the IP range Walmart pays to be cleared for all customers on said ISP, its just throttled to hell (for customers with internet worldwide flat gold or platinum or business broze through single platinum) or not even routed (standard plan).

Cloudflare isn't excempt or shit.

isn't worst korea interwebs nationalized and fully regulated by the government?

Yup. Multi billion companies will just throw away their existing serving infrastructure and go back to the stone age of static IPs just to make this happen. If anything the internet companies would hold the ISPs hostage if they were ever stupid enough to do this.

CloudFlare pays for its IP range to be cleared. Now all sites hosted there are exempt. But in reality this would never happen because you're a fucking idiot redditor.

No, there are a couple large private ISPs/telecoms (SK, KT Olleh, LG, etc.), but they're compelled to block stuff and comply, just as US ISPs will have to do once NN ends.

That's done by the government you fucking retard. More regulations like net (((neutrality))) would make it easier to happen.

So it's not nationalized but government has full regulatory powers if they want to exercise it?

PS: Walmart will not act as a proxy for you in breach of their contract. Nobody will.
Or they are so fucking sued, never

>CloudFlare pays for its IP range to be cleared. Now all sites hosted there are exempt
Of course the ISPs won't give cloudflare this! What they will do is make cloudflare or walmart pay for also being on the network while contractually demandong they cannot act as proxy to *any* unsanctioned party. Walmart can have cloudflare exactly in this way or not at all. Done.

They'll NOT give up their control and money because Cloudflare fucking asks for it.

You need to cough up that 'redpill' and educate yourself on how this all works.

As things stand now, someone gets a court order to block website_x and takes it to the ISPs, the ISPs point to the net neutrality rules and say it's illegal to block anything.

The second that stops being the case, and the US court system gets in charge of what you can and can't see, it's GAME FUCKING OVER.

And that's not even considering the power public opinion will hold over ISPs (gotta' block all that "hate speech"), and what Congress will get up to when they can boss around ISPs at will.

But, as I said, I SINCERELY hope this goes through, so idiots like you can drown in your own bitter tears of regret and betrayal.

This.
Gotta love capitalism.

>why do you guys think ISPs will take that much advantage of net neutrality and will monetize or do every shady thing possible
Because that is what they planned to do and tried to do. Which is why there are net neutrality rules at all.

There is no downsides for the ISPs

ISPs aren't doing any blocking in South Korea because IT'S NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE you third rate retard. The government itself shuts down the sites. The ISPs have nothing to do with it.

just because they can doesn't mean they would

Holy shit you're delusional. CloudFlare, Google, Amazon, and all the other big companies have WAY more pull than the ISPs. They won't back down to the 'demands' in your retarded convoluted scenario. It's much easier to make the ISPs look like the party in the wrong in such a situation. You are absolutely delusional.

Capitalism truly is the greatest

>Netflix tells ISPs to fuck off
>Amazon agrees to payout / profit sharing / cross promotion / whatever
>suddenly Netflix is way slower than Amazon Prime
>ISPs and Amazon advertising this fact, everyone knows anyway because their Netflix lags while Amazon flies
>Netflix either caves or goes out of business

You'll likely even have a situation where e.g. Comcast teams up with Amazon and Verizon with Netflix, etc. and you need to choose your ISP/services based on their partnerships and packages.

If you don't think they're up to this sort of shit, just look into how the cable TV business works.

What fucking drugs are you on? ISP literally can decide who has access to their customers and the market they form now. Nobody has more pull.

And their infrastructure, which in.most cases is relevant unless you think you can just fucking wire up new international and national comlnnections right to customers while surviving until you turn a profit from customers maybe slowly switching to you.

1. you didn't address the points in the post you backlinked
2. I didn't say it was the ISPs choosing what to block in the case of Korea; what's relevant is what happens once you open the floodgates

Also everyone in Korea knows ISPs purposefully slow down Youtube and other foreign services to protect and promote their own shitty alternatives.

The cable TV business is the channels holding the providers hostage. Comcast has to pay every channel that they let you access, not the other way around. Holy shit you really came straight from reddit didn't you?

And you really think that Amazon would comply with these ridiculous and retarded demands when they run the largest cloud service in the world.

Would normies bother subscribing to an ISP that can't access Facebook or Google? Think about that.

No, but they tried to do it before. They have a lot of money to gain on it, they have no money to lose on it. They have thousands of different reason to do it, I can't think of a single rational reason they shouldn't do it.

>It's much easier to make the ISPs look like the party in the wrong in such a situation.
So what? Why should the ISPs care about that? Comcast is one of the most hated companies in history. Hatred for Comcast is like a knife against the ocean. It might look like it's hurting it if you are a moron, but in reality it does not matter.

Even if youtube happened to be the one thing customers WILL switch ISPs for even if they have to fucking go across a satellite, that will just be the one thing ISPs dont touch or even pay to be present. Every other site, store, customer gets milked.

Yea, customers will not move state just so they can use google search rather than bing.

>Would normies bother subscribing to an ISP that can't access Facebook or Google? Think about that.

It won't be presented like that (at least at first). It'll be you get FASTER and UNLIMITED website_x, with slick marketing behind it. Trump's blind followers will even believe it.

>As things stand now, someone gets a court order to block website_x and takes it to the ISPs, the ISPs point to the net neutrality rules and say it's illegal to block anything.
Why the government need to ask the ISPs to block a website? They can just find the owners and jail them.

>Also everyone in Korea knows ISPs purposefully slow down Youtube and other foreign services to protect and promote their own shitty alternatives.
Again that's a government mandated order. The prices for international traffic are regulated by the government to be much more expensive than domestic traffic.

PS: Some ISPs surely will sell you the google search option for only $15. But we both know Bing will still pay to be in the basic plan to get 98% of the other customers that google cant get on this ISP until they outbid.

>Why the government need to ask the ISPs to block a website? They can just find the owners and jail them.

Not everyone and everything is in the United States.

Go ahead and type thepiratebay-proxylist.org into your address bar. It'll load up. The day after net neutrality ends you think that'll still be the case?

Bing literally pays you to use it. Nobody fucking does because it's shit. People will NOT sign up for an ISP without Facebook or Google.

>Every other site, store, customer gets milked.
Nope. They just serve their site on the cloud platform of the big providers like Google, Amazon, and CloudFlare, who are holding the ISPs hostage. If the ISPs try to shut off their cloud platforms, then they just pull out completely.

>The day after net neutrality ends you think that'll still be the case?
Sure. I just use a DNS provided by a third party instead of my ISP.

You don't think business will defect?

>Walmart / their host tells the ISPs to fuck off
>BestBuy plays ball
>Black Friday comes
>wow, looks like Walmart.com is so slow it barely loads, must be all that traffic!
>BestBuy.com fast as fuck

Walmart moves to be hosted on CloudFlare, AWS, or Google Cloud, where they get full unthrottled access.

Why do you think they'll use simple DNS blocking?

That's 90s-tier web blocking. Things have FAR advanced.

Like what? Provide examples of uncircumventable ISP blocking.

> Every day
> fuck, I can't deal with joes slow loading store with 15 connection failures when I shop for lube, it takes 1 hour each time I order
> guess Ill just have to pay $4 extra on amazon to order it in 15s

Why won't the ISPs just make all e.g. CloudFlare traffic low-priority if they won't play ball?

They prioritize / deprioritize / meter / unmeter according to IP.

People in countries with censored internet wouldn't fuck around with proxies/VPNs if it was simply a matter of 8.8.8.8

Giving more power away isn't a good idea anyway.

Cloudflare will not be fucking privileged to do whatever in spite of ISP throttling and site access restrictions.

>Why won't the ISPs just make all e.g. CloudFlare traffic low-priority if they won't play ball?
Of course it will be inaccessible or low traffic by default.

You'll have to make contracts with the ISPs to become fast. No, they'll not be contracts that just let you subcontract, proxy and resell the same rights. Its only for your business and a specific purpose.

PROTIP: using a proxy to bypass blocks will be highly illegal

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Inc._v._3Taps_Inc.

Americans are so fucked it's seemingly boundless. If Trump did no other thing in office, this'll make him the worst president in US history.

>according to IP
Which can change. And the real IPs of the servers can be hidden behind CloudFlare.

CloudFlare threatens to pull out. Every site hosted by them (which is rougly half of all traffic in the U.S) will not be accessible under that ISP. It's funny how you keep insisting that it's the ISPs that have the power over the websites. If that is the case, then why do cable providers need to pay the channels?

Never so long as the FCC is run by a curry nigger and the 2nd in command is a nigger hired to fill minority quotas appointed by a nigger president.

Will be interesting to see how Silicon Valley reacts as the US internet becomes a pay-to-play censored shitshow. Definitely won't be the place anyone'll want to start a new business (incumbents can pretty much pay to keep you out). Obviously the US market is too big for e.g. Google to take their ball and go home (as with China), but they'll be bitterly assblasted about being forced to pay protection money to ISPs to stay in business.

The sites under cloudflare will leave it and done.

Or maybe they'll go along and loose 100mn customers and all sporadic international customers. I guess they're bankrupt then but sure.

By the way IF cloudflare somehow against all odds becomes that omnipowerful entity you describe it to be then THEIR shenanigans will just be the bad stuff we expect from ISPs. I guess you'll pay THEM for premium business traffic or you're essentially off the market. Same thing.

But no, the ISPs will win, for sure.

When you pay off the ISP you give them a list of privileged IPs you (and only you) will be using. If that's not possible with your current hosting setup, you change the setup.

As for blocking sites, they'll just update their IP blocks as the DNS is propagated. Sure, you'll be able to get on Sup Forums.proxy.cx for at least a while after Sup Forums.org is banned, nothing is perfect (even the crazy lengths the Chinese and others go to), but that's a massive pain in the ass vs. the current free internet.

Google says no to this deal because they run a cloud service that hosts other sites. They pull out if Comcast tries any funny business. CloudFlare also says no and takes half the internet with them. Now everyone switches to AT&T because they want to use Google. You see why that's a retarded move for an ISP? Or are redditors really this dumb?

Someone sets up a Sup Forums proxy on Alibaba Cloud. Now if you want to block Sup Forums you have to block half of all Chinese websites.

Anyone know when net neutrality will end?

It didn't exist until 2014.

>People will NOT sign up for an ISP without Facebook or Google.
They will be willing to pay extra to get it. Some will accept bing (Or Yahoo if they are with Verizon)

>Nope. They just serve their site on the cloud platform of the big providers like Google, Amazon, and CloudFlare, who are holding the ISPs hostage. If the ISPs try to shut off their cloud platforms, then they just pull out completely.

They will just throttle the site and keep continous surveillance over the IP addresses involved.

This guy should seriously be assasinated

Doesn't slovakia also have really good internet plans?

>No more weeb stuff
But that's terrible

>Imagine a Sup Forums with most of the Americans removed.

wtf I'm anti net neutrality now.

It didn't take effect until 2015. So basically we'll go back to the internet of 2015. Was anybody even alive back in those days? Did the ISPs even allow people to use the web? It must have been pretty horrible.

All I can remember is that the porn was marginally better.

funny how prior to net neutrality regs this never ever happened, you retarded shill

Yes for sure because for the entire history of the Internet up to 2015 there was no net neutrality and that's why the web didn't exist in America until then.

Probably not. Netflix and Spotify on the other hand will be throttled to shit so that every ISP ever can push their own streaming service.

If there's one thing Sup Forums needs, it's more spam.

They'll probably shut down access to everything and no neutral ISPs will emerge to compete with them.

It's a good thing really. Fewer burger people will make Sup Forums great again.

They don't have to specifically throttle Sup Forums or any website for that matter. They only need to reserve extra bandwidth for the mainstream sites and set a scaling algorithm otherwise.

It makes no sense to try and throttle some specific IP address or range for literally billions of different sites when they can just use a whitelist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#Regulatory_history

The FCC has been enforcing net neutrality since the beginning of the internet as a matter of policy, and has been hanging out orders, fines, and regulations to that effect. This only started to come to a head in the 2010s as the courts started to overturn the FCCs authority, which is why the "net neutrality" debate that led to its formal adaption happened.

Formally scrapping net neutrality requirements as a matter of government policy truly is a whole new ballgame.

This, but also they may shape traffic in bulk by type.

E.g. stuff like torrents and VPN will either be throttled or will become paid premium tier services.

>atheists BTFO