>last 20 years
>internet has grown exponentially and gotten much better
>last 2 years
>internet has been labeled as Title II utility
>all ISPs, large and small, now have regulations originally meant for the Ma Bell monopoly during the great depression
>last 0 years
>Title II removed
>internet as we know it is destroyed
>costs $5 a month to access a website
>cable companies merge into a singular, unregulated monopoly
wew, did I miss anything?
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>inb4 "BUT IT IS A MONOPOLY!"
we need more competition, a free market will naturally solve all of the problems without the government's monopoly regulations. It's literally gov regulations that make it so hard to start a new ISP, and Pai is working to get rid of all of them
laws and regulations passed which have made it impossible to sue internet service providers (arbitration clauses) and hard to compete against them, they sue new competition out of business or have anti-competitive contracts with towns, municipalities, apartment building owners.
Man, Sup Forums sure is filling your faggot face with stupid shit.
>have anti-competitive contracts with towns, municipalities, apartment building owners
Literally one of the things Pai is working on getting rid of.
Seriously, when you impose no regulations you're essentially giving up on a free market solution, and you're steering the industry towards a monopoly.
Focus on the important issues, Title II is a meme that hurts little ISPs that don't need the extra regulations
Free markits tards are literally cultists now
he is fighting to get rid of state laws which impose net neutrality rules on internet service providers not anti competitive contracts
Not an argument
Wrong, look up BDAC. And look up what title II actually is, it's not state's rights.
Your argument: free market will fix it
My argument: Free market won't fix it
Somehow your argument is valid and mine isnt'.
The absolute state
>Go to Sweden
>15 ISPs to choose from
>All blazing fast and cheap
Really makes you think (about intro to econ textbooks)
Infrastructural regulations and government-granted monopolies are things that exist at the local level. Neither Pai nor Trump has any power to decouple government from communication lines. Both the original deceleration and the repeal are little more than irrelevant flag-waving.
I'd so go back to Sup Forums, but if you go back you'd just get your face shoved with more false information. Just leave. Somewhere. Tumblr perhaps.
>Your argument: Gravity makes rocks roll downhill
>My argument: Gravity will make rocks roll uphill
>Somehow your argument is valid and mine isnt'.
>sweden
>free market
Is this what retardation looks like?
>comparing a debatable question to a theory that can be proven
God I fucking hate Sup Forums
you're just a troll stirring up a pointless argument
seek nothing from this thread
Yes because physics and economic theory are the same
Shut the fuck up, you have like 5 thousand people in your joke of a country. Of course you're getting good internet in your frozen wasteland.
He knows about local regulations and is working on it under section 706. Look up BDAC. Look up stuff he's already done apps.fcc.gov
Just listen to anything he's ever said
>For instance, in Detroit, I visited competitive upstart Rocket Fiber. The company's executive team started things off with a discussion about regulatory roadblocks. They had to get signoffs from multiple city agencies, none of which seemed to think that time was of the essence. And they had to get access to a large number of poles at a reasonable cost, which wasn't easy; the city at first sought a very high price for pole access (using as a benchmark the high rate charged to another broadband provider for access to just three poles). Fortunately, Rocket Fiber did manage to have conduit installed while the city was building the QLine streetcar; this is a big aid to deployment, which illustrates why I've called forAn accessible version of this document may exist, click here to access that version "dig once" to be part of our national transportation policy.
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>He's totes working on it u guize, which means this completely unrelated net neutrality repeal is gud cuz of maga
I wish I could hate you to bald, you russian prick.
Because there isn't countless data that shows a correlation between a market being freed and GDP growth, better quality of life and more choice.
Eventually you'll have to come to terms that all the data of reality is against you.
There are two paths to net neutrality.
1. A monopoly ISP that is forced into it by the government
Or
2. A free, competitive market where high costs or slow speeds will drive you out of the market
Which do you prefer?
This, Sweeden is the free'st country in the world
Oh, I love loaded questions. They're the badge of honor of the coercive retard.
Hey Rabbi, whatcha doing with those monopoly regulations?
Hey trumpanzee, what internet package are you buying after this? I bet it's the one with reddit.
>Redditors relegated to their own section of the internet
One can dream, user
Prove to me that it isn't. I bet you read some fucking retard shit about Sweden being half-communist or something. The *reason* Sweden works is because the market is free.
Sweden is one of the European countries with a scattered population, so is Norway. Both of these countries have overall decent and good internet, even remote places.
Isn't that already the case? And they didn't even need to kill the network to achieve that. I wonder what possesses self-destructive retards like you to support their own inconvenience.
that wasn't the case in the past but nowadays they're going towards it. They have a strong welfare state but their government doesn't intervene that much in the economy, for instance they have low corporate tax rates and no centralized minimum wage
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>we need more competition, a free market will naturally solve all of the problems
>muh competition muh free market
shut the fuck up. its impossible to open a new isp. the hand full of shit shekel gouging companies that we have now are all we will ever get. Do you understand they own the physical internet? they will not allow some hot shit new company to come in and offer low cost access fees and unlimited bandwidth.
It's been like that since the 90's and the brief flirt with socialism failed badly and crashed their economy. They've, for the vast majority of the last 200 years, been a very free market economy.
because here in america, we have fucking comcast, comcast will eat this country if net neutrality gets repealed.
See Basically, his goal is to remove government regulations that large cable companies love. Title II is just one of them
Yeah bro, remember the internet before 2015? What a dystopian nightmare. So glad we have title II regulations from 1935 applied to ISPs now
>muh free market
It's so easy to spot fedora wearing manchildren on this site since the FCC news. It's great to see all along how ignorant most people are about the world.
Not an argument
See and
Haha absolutely not. You are lucky if you have 2 ISP's to choose from and even then they are basically the same company. Why are you spreading lies?
Source: Have an apartment in Stockholm
Free market will only fuck you in the ass and destroy environment.
>B-but I'm a millionaire in the future
Is not an argument
Op is a faggot
>last 0 years
>Title II removed
>internet as we know it is destroyed
>costs $5 a month to access a website
>cable companies merge into a singular, unregulated monopoly
HOLLY SHIT IM SOO SCARED NOW
I SUPPORT NN
>Let's get rid of the regulations that protect people from the monopolies before getting rid of the regulations that caused the monopolies
K
>Go to Sweden
>Telia
Nothing changed with the Obama "net neutrality" regs, it just formalized what was happening since the beginning of the net.
God, 'muh free market' morons need to end their lives. How can someone be so dumb as to believe unregulated human greed is literally ever a good thing?
You still have unregulated human greed through government regulation
That's a different story. Drain the swamp if you need to, but the govt should be of the people, by the people, for the people.
I can vote for my next congress rep, I can't vote on whether ISPs are allowed to agree on who gets where so that you HAVE to buy from them even if their service is dogshit.
You also can't vote how your rep gets his or her reelection money, which literally involves sucking up to these large corporations and taking their money for favors in Congress, so there's that.
You now implicitly agree that the repeal of net neutrality is the result of campaign donors' pressure on lawmakers, meaning that you agree that ISPs don't want net neutrality so that they can make more money. ISPs - nor any other for profit company - don't give a fuck about consumers. People against net neutrality are doing it simply to spite people they disagree with even though it is against their own best interests
No. It's more like I'm saying that if what you're saying is correct, trusting the gov't with net neutrality is stupid as fuck, seeing they're going to add provisions that favor their corporate backers and their other special interests (like they tend to do) and a market-based solution is more palatable than one based on gov't intervention.
>internet has grown exponentially and gotten much better
It got faster, not better.
It didn't grow, there's just more of it.
Just kidding. The internet was a mistake. Maybe it wasn't. None of us would be the people we are now if we never came online. There's no point in worrying about what can't be changed.
The technology is here and real. It would be no good if ordinary people lost access to it, while the people in charge restrict its use among themselves. We have to think wisely about how we proceed with this Internet thing. The internet is becoming just another utility, like electricity or gas. It's a fact of life, and will be thought of as a natural part of life.
>It didn't grow, there's just more of it.
really makes you think
Yes I'm sure that just like the banking industry, internet providers will put consumers first following deregulation
I'm not but it seems we agree generally. Obama's net neutrality seemed to formalize a sentiment many people (not ISPs) agreed with on dubious legal ground. Now, simply out of spite, the current administration is undoing it and the consumer will suffer for it. Something like this should be done through congress
I wish there could be more competition. However, whenever a municipality comes up with affordable gigabit internet or something, the companies that own the telephone poles that the municipalities are renting space on throw a hissy fit and crush competition. They then buy each other out, further quashing competition. Government needs to step in and prevent that from happening imo, just like in the financial sector. Self regulation leads to bad outcomes for regular people. Unlimited anonymous donations to superpacs need to go away and maybe lobbying but I'm not familiar enough with how lobbying works to comment on that
look at the industrial revolution and such, the gouvernments who believed in the free markets created big greedy companies with starving employees.
plox stop posting these shit breads, literally 10 million nn threads every day on everyboard only burgers care, also there was no nn before obama so it isnt going to even get bad stop complaining. Since this offers healthy comppetition between isps you are likely to have atleast one who will be doing an unlimited package with no restrictions since thats how the isps wil make money
>pro net neutrality
>not reddit
Lobbying to me is just legal bribery and I have literally zero idea why it's allowed.
At least it's tracked that way. Where legal bribery is not allowed illegal bribery just takes over.
Just look at the medical sector - can't bribe directly so doctors get invited to expensive resorts with all kinds of benefits to peddle the companies product.
This meme again...
Dont get me started on the medical sector. Prices for shit are legitimately MADE UP.
Read the selfish gene, then come back and try again.
>a free market will naturally
REALLY? A FREE MARKET? TELL ME, WHO HAS THE CASH LYING AROUND TO DIG UP AND INSTALL CABLING REQUIRED FOR THE ENTIRE RURAL AND METROPOLITAN COUNTRYSIDE?
GOOGLE FIBER LITERALLY HASN’T EVEN TAKEN OFF IN HALF OF THR MAJOR CITIES OF EAST COAST, HOW THR FUCK DO YOU THINK NONPLAYERS CAN JUST SUDDENLY WALTZ IN AND LAY OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO TACKLE THE MONOPOLY AT AN EQUIVALENT SERVICE & CHEAPER COST?
Simple, there is no demand for it.
If there was demand, financial institutions would invest in companies to do just that.
That's how mom and pop businesses work, which Trump is in favor of.
They can start local, take out loans, and cable their community, and build from there.
But there is no demand, because NN is holding back innovation.
...
>implying they need to run cable
WiFi ptp links are here TODAY and WORK.
You can upgrade the infrastructure later. No one said they have to run right away. A crawl is fine to get going and get a customer base.
>a crawl will get you a customer base large enough to afford upgrading your infrastructure
This is why basic economics arent taught at school. Puppets of the goyims. Net neutrality is a total deceiving name, it should be called Statal Regulation
You are so fucking naive, it hurts,
Loans of a multibillion dollar infrastructure literally will not be given to a mom and pop startup trying to tackle existing ISPs. They just won’t. Period.
You need to already have deep pockets to lay out the cabling required for just ONE person. You need permits for city dig sites and a maintenance crew and transportation and repair parts and technologically literate people to run things on a town by town and city by city scale.
Literally the only people able to foot that sort of bill is a government-run service... and the government isn’t run by technologically literate people that they will cut corners and literally turn this country into Australia in terms of networking infrastructure.
There is literally no way a community-based ISP will work... it doesn’t exist anywhere else in the world.
also, I never said anything about Trump, nor Obama or Bush. Stop being so fucking imbecilic to think this is just a political issue, and start thinking in actual business terms
Sup Forumstard thinks he's got more business knowledge then a literal billionaire businessman who became President.
Yea I know who to trust, and it isn't you're soyboy scheetching
>start your own cabling
and then? You need to connect to the other ISP's if your users want to access websites outside your network which means connecting to the big players. If they don't want to play with you you're done.
This will never work unregulated because of the effective monopolies already created.
he was literally born into wealth with a huge safety net if he flopped, and bankrupted several of his business ventures just to cut his losses
Please, tell me more about that billionaire who’s so good at making things succeed.
If you’re so blind as to think this guy understands how to make the proper infrastructure for networking, and that this is a
“mom and pop” capable business, then this country is doomed.
Enjoy the self-inflicted price gouging.
>Sup Forumstard thinks he's got more business knowledge then a literal billionaire businessman who became President.
A literal billionaire who inherited most of his money and filed bankruptcy 3 times despite not paying taxes for years. Yeah he sure knows how to run a business and is not out of touch with what's going on with normal consumers.
Net Neutrality is Obummercare for the internet, no thanks.
>billionaires are professionals in literally everything, let’s trust them
if this is what normies actually believe, we’re fucked
>wew, did I miss anything?
Yes, the six gorillion other net shittyness threads
>implying you wouldn't avoid paying taxes and file for bankruptcy to avoid paying for debt
That's called being smart, fuck the government.
A bad businessman would play by the rules like a little cuck.
Actually no, this brings up an ever bigger point, which needs to be made so normies understand...
If a company does get a successful startup cabling service, and gets someone like Facebook to sign on, then they’re going to be the streaming services we have now.
You’re going to need the existing ISPs to keep access for YouTube and Twitter, and then purchase a secondary service with the smaller cable company for Facebook.
It’s going to become Hulu/Netflix/YouTube Red/Amazon subscriptions all over again, but with no account sharing and with steeper subscription prices.
So you're arguing that businesses and people in our government should not pay taxes so that it can be left to the rest of the population to pay for our government? I think that makes you a cuck.
People have the choice to support or not a company that pays taxes. Let the free market decide, taxes should be optional.
A “good” businessmen are only looking out for themselves, and a “good” businessmen currently run the existing ISPs.
How the FUCK do you not realize that your so called “good businessmen” won’t royally fuck you over and force you to pay an arm and a leg for the service you currently take for granted?
And when they’re in power to literally charge whatever the fuck prices they want, what “good businessman” is going to run a startup to fight the monopoly when they can literally just join the monopoly instead and get a bigger slice of pie?
This net neutrality spam is part of a coordinated campaign by Netflix, Google and Amazon to allow their video streaming to monopolize bandwidth even where scarce. In the long great tradition of government regulation, it is being pushed by big business to serve the interests of big business in the name of curtailing "abuses" by big business.
Taxes are a necessary part of life, in order to maintain our current standard of living.
you are fucking illiterate, uneducated, and need to be sent back to school instead of whatever godfearing church you were raised in, because without taxes we literally cannot survive as a first world country
>avoids taxes
>still has to file for bankruptcy because he is a broke little bitch
>lies about his net worth
>""small loan""
trump is the biggest cuck i know mate, he is literally my cousin who starts """"business ventures"""".
If you're concerned about the ISP industry being cartelized then advocate for the government to stop erecting barriers to entry for new ISPs. Don't push Google/Amazon/Netflix propaganda.
>It's literally gov regulations that make it so hard to start a new ISP
Those pesky government regulations are literally giving you money to start competing ISP’s
SEC. 707. TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEVELOPMENT FUND.
Yes we can if we get rid of all the illegals and stop paying for everyone's walfare
Wat.
Netflix, Google, and Amazon don’t regulate bandwidth, ISPs do.
And ISPs currently throttle all of those services.
Why the fuck is something as simple as decentralization, being twisted and contorted into a conspiracy?
Do you like porn? Do you enjoy looking up porn on free websites?
Removing net neutrality means you pay for access to porn websites.
It's because of retarded cucks like you from pol who immediately trust big companies because of muh free market that our country becomes even more shit every year. You'd let them get away with fucking murder just because you have the delusion that the market will fix itself. Stop believing the pol nemesis and think for yourself.
Good, I don't wanna pay for your degeneracy, I've been doing nofap for months.
NN means I'm subsidizing your porn viewings, making my bill higher, anything else is a lie.
>pol
>Trusting big companies
pls
At least companies can't throw me in jail or fine me for saying things they don't agree with.
Yes I'd take the lesser of two evils.
ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST NET NEUTRALITY IS A SHILL FOR THE (((TELECOM CEOS))) AND BIG GOVERNMENT.
Welfare currently accounts for 20% of taxpayer money.
There is no way that cutting out 20%, let alone canceling taxation altogether (which is 100%), will alow us to maintain a proper standard of living.
The remaining cost of road maintenance alone would force us to ask for bailouts from the EU...
is this funny to you? there are people that genuinely believe what you’re saying... I sincerely hope you’re just trolling because otherwise you’re going to impact everyone’s quality of life
> (You)
>pol
>Trusting big companies
>pls
That's what they're doing by supporting anti regulation policies like repealing nn.
They can't throw you in jail but pretty soon they will be able to stop you from discussing it on the internet if they want to. They are basically apart of the government since everyone in office shills for them.
Do you enjoy arguing over the internet?
$2.99 per month
Do you watch any video on a website, consume any news from any side of the political spectrum, or do any sort of communication using sociak networks?
That will now cost you.
>muh baseless unfounded hypothetical fear mongering
It does. This has happened in my community. Three times.