This project is less than 24 hours old, so we need all the expertise and help we can get. Every contribution is valuable! Gather a group of friends and join the irc.
To do: - establish proper communication channels - decide on standards for software and hardware - set up a wiki on installgentoo - create resources for newbies - gather more people - start building something in the Houston & Austin area
please keep the thread alive until the americans join
Adrian King
I trust Sup Forumstards less than the average ISP
Landon Brooks
So you're going to lay your own network or are you just going to use the ISPs that exist now? Not really a solution if you use ISPs, when they can just easily turn the switch.
Jacob Robinson
Independent meshnet. Rebuilding the entire backbone p2p, no isps involved
Xavier Jenkins
We have talked about running cables in a neighborhood and making those into nodes in a bigger wireless network. So yes we would use our own infrastructure. Take a look at the old thread. There are a lot of good ideas there.
Is this network going to have access to IP's outside of the network? If this becomes your main connection, I doubt you'll be able to go a month without Sup Forums.
Also, how do you expect to fund this project?
Elijah James
Inter net Tangle net Upper net Supra net Hyper net Super net Over net Mega net Outer heaven Infra net Under net Alter net Normie hell Inter neat Max power Hidden net Occult net Obscure net Net net Net inter Obsidiasis Radio net Relay net Tele net
Christopher Wright
this is like something the guys from TBBT would do xD you're flippin amazing Sup Forums!
Charles Jenkins
ExoNet
Lincoln Sanchez
Full Netty
Xavier Brown
I just need to know what this means:
irc.jollo.org:9999 #gternet
Is irc.jollo.org the server? and 9999 the port or password?
Christian Taylor
We have talked about connecting it to the internet, but we have to get something running first. That is a later problem. Of course this wouldnt be outr main connection, but we would develop it gradually. As for the funding, i guess everyone pays for the hardware that they use and just connect it to the mesh. Alternatively we could set up a gofundme. Altho i dont know if anyone is really interested in giving random people money.
Easton Kelly
irc.jollo.org is the ip 9999 is the port #gternet is the channel
Alright, so for this, all I'd need is basically buy a powerful dish, and just put it up high enough in this air? Kinda like a WISP? Any recommendations?
James Jones
could you format it a little bit? something like the link in the op.
Isaac Lewis
thanks.
Elijah Sanchez
why are you talking about wireless connections which are inconsistent at best get dark fiber or get nothing
Jason Smith
You have to make sure that there are other nodes near you, otherwise youll never be able to reach them. Mark your position on the map.
Levi Taylor
This is way too expensive user. We are building this with our own money. Plus if we are using something like ipfs the loadtimes wont be too bad since it works pretty much like torrents. Read up on a couple of the links in the pastebin in the OP.
Juan Cook
>Sup Forums can't even finish one piece of collaborative software, except for the logo and github >They think they can make a meshnet succeed I give this about a 0% success rate
Levi Torres
Thanks for bringing this up. I also wanted to bring up the feasibility of using retired WiMAX infrastructure and Ma Bell's abandoned microwave links. Please chime in gentoomen.
Blake Clark
This. I'll give it another 5 threads an not a single connection.
Grayson Anderson
it's been 24 hours m8. I'm guessing you never learned patience and the idea that things take time to come to fruition?
Nicholas Hughes
>Commercial pricing in major urban areas can range from $2,000 per mile per strand upfront for a 20 year term to $50,000, depending on the provider and whether river crossings or similarly complex routing is necessary. On a per month per mile basis, this equates roughly to $15 to $275. Doesn't seem that expensive.
Benjamin Cox
I dont have very high hopes, but im still willing to invest a bunch of time and a little money into this since i have nothing better to do with my freetime. If we get a couple of connections going in Texas, and get a couple of people in an irc i think we could get something small going.
Julian Perry
we probably need some normies to get a fairly connected mesh
Zachary Stewart
Interested bump >t. EuroAnon
Jonathan White
>something running maybe an apache http server with a demo page or directory page, with links to shared files in the /www directory or ftp access to hard drives worth of information. in all sincerity this is scary and totally new waters. the gubbermint may even ban it.
Jordan Sanders
Reminder that Sup Forums is still actively making a web browser with in-house engine for everything including JS
Ian Gomez
how does routing work? how does peering work? isn't this basically just anonet?
> shill the irc while you're at it shilling the irc is HARD D:
Aaron Campbell
Should be Sup Forumsterminal, Sup Forumsternet sounds retarded.
Christian Brown
This isn't something new, no one said so. But this is about implementing a meshnet. Also, anonet is software level. This is hardware
Nathaniel Brown
i/g/ternet
Adam Butler
so you're pulling wires?
Adrian Gutierrez
This is really interesting.
So you guys are building your own ISP?
Henry Lee
Read the business insider article on op
Mason Russell
HEY fuckos why dont we join an irc network that masks ips
High data rate VHF/UHF file transfer by a software defined multi-band radio
Germany and France have set up a joint program called Multiband Multirole Radio (MMR) to investigate a next generation tactical radio communication system focusing amongst others on being programmable and providing extended capacity. As one part of this program EADS RACOMS undertook the task to design a non-hopping VHF/UHF waveform for high data rate file transfer (HDRFT) over TCP/IP operating between 30 and 600 MHz. Target data rates are 32 and 64 kbit/s to be achieved in 25 kHz typical VHF bandwidth. Message structure needs to be flexible to adapt to actual packet size, limited by the maximum transfer unit (MTU) which defines the maximum allowed TCP/IP packet size. The overall frequency band of the MMR is defined from 2 to 600 MHz, thus requiring a multi-band front-end. Due to software defined applications different transmission bandwidths have to be handled. To keep HW constraints low, the analogue-digital border should be assigned to the highest possible IF. Analogue to digital converters (ADC) are key elements in such hardware architecture. The paper presents the HDRFT waveform approach including an extraordinary 3-PSK modulation scheme and simulation results depicting the performance potential. The content of the MMR program is briefly illustrated. The programmable multiband HW architecture is introduced.
Gabriel Davis
the USA doesn't even have the density for a wireless mesh in NYC
Charles Clark
Same, we need a yuro equivalent
Benjamin Hughes
(/lit/fag in last thread) read up on meshnet protocols, old and new (batman, netsukuku, cjdns). read up on meshnet attempts and existing meshnets like hyperboria. i think some cities have mesh infrastructure right now
Bentley Price
NYC area is 789 sq km. so diagonal length is approx 1100km. so we would need 400 nodes in nyc alone to cover a straight line from one corner of nyc to another
Jacob Long
This wont work simply because flyovers are so scattered around
Jacob Sanders
this a billion times over
Nolan Edwards
Someone?
Evan Butler
can't we just install the serval mesh
Joseph Watson
very few routers and phones come with wimax, and microwave is kilobit tier. sorry desu
Adrian Davis
The Wired
Austin Reed
Xeno net
Stop being racist, user.
Also, been following this discussion for a couple days now. At this point:
> very few routers and phones come with wimax Just need to get a network going, and WiMAX modems cost next to nothing (or nothing). I'm just wondering about costs, because it seems ideal. > and microwave is kilobit tier. These were used for telephony and television, but were kilobit-tier? What magic were they using? Also, would it be possible to upgrade them in some way?
Of course I know this is long-shot anyway, but it's fun to ponder.
> In-house browser > In-house network We will be kings
Benjamin Miller
Wait, this is actually perfect.
Dominic Parker
horee sheet, what dat cost?
Brody Bell
C J D N S J N D D N J S N D J C
Camden Mitchell
Peple, it seems like IRC doesnt work.
Adam Morgan
>> and microwave is kilobit tier. >These were used for telephony and television, but were kilobit-tier? What magic were they using? Also, would it be possible to upgrade them in some way? Wireless data transmission is dependent upon the Nyquist theorem which states that the bandwidth available is 1/2 of the frequency. In theory WiFi can hit Gbps speeds, but the problem for throughput is overhead like headers/trailers, parity, etc.
Jayden Edwards
>We have talked about running cables in a neighborhood Oh so this is just a LARP then
Ayden Young
I second this motion
Jeremiah Evans
Outer heaven sounded cool because muh gayems but honestly this is really good.
Juan Evans
Shouldn't it be The Wireless? Still, I think we've come to a decision.
Aiden Hughes
This whole project isn't too far away from reality as there are things like Freifunk that already provide enough source to built this upon.
The major problem with every mesh/p2p network is, not enough people providing infrastructure. E.g. who cares if someone in the middle of nowhere wants to participate but no nodes available to make a path?
This is where this whole project will stall and not move forward anymore, also normies will not really want this, so its a deadbirth right from the get go.
If you think about long distance wireless connections, this is not gonna happen. Multiple issues arise with that:
1) HAM Radio licenses / on HAM bands, traffic has to be unencrypted
2) Throughput on HAM bands are shit, literally bit by bit.
3) HAM bands are propagation dependent. You could implement systems that use day/night time bands (where you are based) and route through other routers, still the above points stand.
4) Long distance WiFi connections need directional antennas. Basically it is possible to link two communities with WiFi links together and get a good speed/reliable speed, but we are talking a 5-20 kilometers, see Line of Sight!
5) Fiber would be an option, but also its not really "undependant" anymore then. You know, they can cut your fiber if they wanted to get the system offline.
So in the end, either normies get on the hype train and it could work (like ALOT OF NORMIES), or it will be just a community network (several houses, maybe a street) with linkup to "usual internet" or connected up via a wifi directional link to another community.
Also what about authority? (See domains?)
Connor Sanders
>Sup Forumsternet you mean pajeeternet
Noah Hall
Telling those that want/seem interested in getting involved in a project to "leave", when the purpose of the project is to expand with as many people as possible, is not productive.
Yeah, maybe discurd would've been more user friendly but IRC is much more basic and straightforward.
>inb4 "sarcasm" fuck outta here
Levi Rivera
What if we equip our SBC's with SDR/Wi-Fi dongles and start some local experimentation? I mean, we agree to broadcast 2 or three protocols and find each other anonymously. Is safe and sound.
Andrew Bell
Honestly I'll be pretty confident this project is going well once we make contact from southern US to southern Ontario, Canada.
I see two plots for TO, I'd be interested in setting up in O-Town.
Bentley Martin
>also normies will not really want this We have a chance to have our old internet back, purged from the cancerous normies, and you still want them in ?
Parker Roberts
Hell, if you can get a network up in Toronto and another in Houston that would be a feat in itself.
I am not saying that. But realistically, if you don't have enough nodes, this system will not work. And how will you get enough nodes, if you don't make it a project including normies? Handing out preconfigured nodes, which people can run at home (like those plugin wifi things for example) would be an option. They dont have to participate in the net itself, but they could just a node to help the infrastructure.
Charles Rogers
Either OuterNet or
Gabriel Thompson
THIS THIS THIS
Matthew Ramirez
Why don't we just form a nationwide ISP that isn't shit?
Jacob Hall
just use tor, you shouldn't trust irc network itself to do it for you
Ian Collins
Also, Sup Forumsentoonet
Tyler Russell
doesn't Rizon already mask IPs?
Joseph Smith
Exactly
Aiden Jenkins
And Freenet, choose either one and set up a channel.