Red pill me on net neutrality, is it good for us?

red pill me on net neutrality, is it good for us?

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>red pill
Why would you ask for lies and memes?

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fuck off retard

Net neutrality was a purely technical issue and mostly irrelevant for end users. Who knows how did they fucked it up for users with back and forth legislation remains to be seen.

youtube.com/watch?v=csK3KspB-6A

wireless spectrum is auctioned off for billions and is limited in bandwidth.

why should the FCC tell carriers what to do with something they paid billions for?

most of these redditards don't even realize NN rules don't even apply to wireless providers

not American so I didn't research enough to know.

But if that is true I can't agree with the FCC. If Internet is a utility bandwidth should be source neutral. I would hate to pay for different tiers of water quality or have my electricity 'kinda' 60Hz

>30 minutes long

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Reminder that here in leafland Telus blocked access to a server in 2005 because it was hosting a site that supported a labor strike against the company.
This caused another 700+ sites to go offline because of their kike temper tantrum

>red pill me on net neutrality
It's an Orwellian scam in a long line of scams
>The "Patriot" Act
>The "Affordable" Care Act
>Net "Neutrality"
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No everyone will have to pay the ISPs more to do the same things we do today. the US must break these private monopolies before they destroy everything related to the internet.

These giants fighting for Net """""""""""""""Neutrality""""""""""""""" are the very same people that censored people they don't like

pic related: /our pajeet/ BTFOing reddijews

>tl;dr: Trust the corporations, goy!

It's bad. Go read a fucking book for once.

(((net neutrality))) stifles innovation and hurts consumers who want a cheaper service without subsidizing high usage customers.

Which corporations, the criminal censorious Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit who are pushing this Netflix Neutrality propaganda 24/7, or the ISPs who don't care either way as long as they keep their monopoly?

It's not a utitlity.

>today
>big companies occupy 9/10 lanes

>without neet neutrality
>big companies occupy only 1/10 lanes
how is this bad again?

Would impregnate that jewess before putting her and her family inside a gas chamber.

A fellow pregnant Ann Frank fetishist, I see

Excellent video on the topic:
youtube.com/watch?v=csK3KspB-6A

Because he actually knows what he's talking about unlike Reddit. If you don't want to learn about this, you shouldn't be talking about it or worrying about it.

Power company "you want to run your toaster at full power, well you are in luck my friend, we have a special toaster power plan just for power users like yourself, or you can just let your bread toast overnight on your current plan"

Eh, his thoughts are flawed.

Basically he doesn't consider the fact that these large companies have regional monopolies. These monopolies are granted by the government and prevents others from entering the market. So that leaves people unable to select a competing product. Without the ability to select a competing product they are then effectively subject to whatever Verizon timewarner wants to do.

>dumbass Sup Forums user who doesnt know how the internet works

>These monopolies are granted by the government and prevents others from entering the market
They were under the 2015 Title 2 act, which made it very expensive to enter the market since you had to have infrastructure that supports Google or Netflix or you can't penetrate the market. What you say is very different from what actually has happened.

This.
How can you even talk about nn when the internet's hardware belongs to corporations. NN doesn't exist by default.

>add to that all your data being monitored

Its google vs comcast. It has nothing to do with the end user of these services. You're going to pay what they want you to pay for their services no matter what happens

It gives your ISP the power to completely control what content on the internet you're allowed to use.

But the Democrats told me we have NN and drumpf is taking it away!

information networks will be as much a utility as electricity once all services move online.

in the 1800s nobody would think of electricity as a utility but here we are

They arent allowed to do that under current FCC laws go back to plebbit retard NN isnt even implemented

everyone is tired of being progressive can you just chill for like 8 years and then we can try it again

Basically it fucks over the commies, so yes it is good for us

Information networks are not a utility.

Yes they are.

Then I am privy to your journal, email history, and diary.

Sure.

Hey, since you must already know this, how much electricity and water did I use last month?

If you were using internet before 2015, and you hadn't noticed any differences since then, it's extremely likely that nobody gives a shit kill yourself op

yeah just like you are privy to usage of individual appliances in my home?

I was hoping for an intelligent debate but this statement kills the brain cells.

I'm making fun for you for not realizing what you call a utility. Is the internet a utility? Is the router the utility? Is the connection to and from your house a utility? Which part is it? Unlike water and electricity, which is the stupidest latest reddit comparison cause you guys are ignorant as fuck, the internet is not a finite resource being farmed from a specific place. You're literally just plugging into a network of information where clients and servers plug in to provide content. In no shape or form are you beholden to specific content.

You can't be intelligent when you compare electricity to the internet. They are not comparable in any sense of the world.

>Implying Morpheus would lie or use maymays

wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

This has created the monopolies not the couple of thousands dollars worth of gear that would be needed to support netflix.

>wired

Wired are google's lackeys.

Net Neutrality != Net Neutrality Laws
We've had Net Neutrality prior to 2015 WITHOUT laws that give the government authority to "enforce" Net Neutrality. This is what everyone is missing. ISPs will pull anti-consumer shit whether or not there are laws against "slow lanes and fast lanes". Data caps are way worse than this and currently exist in some areas even with law-enforced net neutrality. Having laws that enforce Net Neutrality make it legal for the government to surveil all Internet packets, since they "need to know" if ISPs are breaking net neutrality laws. Like how the government holding on to secret 0-days helps "protect citizens".

listen, computers/tablets/cellphones are all appliances now.

they are not super secret club nerd devices of the 80s/90s.

phones in particular are communication devices (analog) and phone is a utility, why can't you extend that to new devices that transmit/receive data digitally. I don't know why you can't make the logical connection.

They can just throttle any sites they don't like down to unusable speeds.

Computers, tablets, and cellphones are communication devices that are powered by electricity and sometimes use internet-related services to connect communicatively. At one time, this use to be something provided by phone lines and a cord.

phone networks are being outright replaced by data networks everywhere.

if they provide the same function but with additional utility they do not lose their old utility.

Tldr if phone = utility, internet = utility
unless you want to argue phone shouldn't be a utility, be my guest otherwise this is my last words on this argument.

it is not enshrined in law yet but it will happen.

You can't apply the rules of one technology to another. They may have similar functions, but they are very different.

There are positives and negatives. Zero-rating of certain content, for example, is a violation of net neutrality but I don't see people up in arms over that.
Also there's the issue with ISPs not even having the capacity to execute what a lot of people are saying will happen but that's beside the point.

Run a vpn you tard its illegal to block vpns

No it's not. I have no idea where you got that idea, but the only thing preventing your ISP from doing so is that they are currently classified as common carriers. Once they lose that classification your ISP is free to legally block you from using VPN services.

so how is one data network different from the other outside of analog vs digital. you keep trying to dodge without an explanation.

some phone providers only offer VoIP (voice over INTERNET!!) as their phone service. So answer me, does using VoIP suddenly make phone not a utility?

you say they are functionally different but the fundamentals are the same. Thats like saying a touch tone phone is only similar to a rotary since it provided more functions (like menu navigation) and makes it not part of the network.

Tldr if phone = utility, internet = utility

>We've had Net Neutrality prior to 2015 WITHOUT laws that give the government authority to "enforce" Net Neutrality.
You are wrong. The FCC had the power to enforce Net Neutrality prior to the 2014 ruling in Verizon v. FCC. At that point, they lost the ability to regulate ISPs under Title II unless they explicitly classified ISPs as Title II common carriers. Which they did so in 2015. Of course, Comcast didn't miss a beat and in the intermediary time they began charging Netflix hundreds of millions of dollars for their users to use their service. Even though those users are already paying the ISP for that service.

>Having laws that enforce Net Neutrality make it legal for the government to surveil all Internet packets
No, they don't. You should read what Title II classification actually is.

> since they "need to know" if ISPs are breaking net neutrality laws
It's enforced through users filing complaints. They don't monitor ISPs.

A phone and the internet are two different things.

>Even though those users are already paying the ISP for that service.
You're mistaken on that front. Users DO NOT pay isps for Netflix. If that was true, they would not be paying a seperate fee to subscribe to Netflix.

Sometimes I forget how young and ignorant a lot of people are on this board.

>people will finally stop masturbating everyday and actually go outside and do something
>this is bad

phone is internet lite dude, give it up with you empty one liners.

ever sent a fax, ever heard of telegrams, ever heard of dialup.

its the same thing except internet lines do it on a higher bandwidth line.

Tldr if a phone can fax, internet = utility

>Users DO NOT pay isps for Netflix.
Users pay ISPs for Internet service, and Netflix is on the Internet. It doesn't matter what service the end users are using, they already are paying for it.

Netflix is a separate product from the isp, youngfag.

>Netflix is a separate product from the isp
No, it's not. It doesn't matter if the end user is using their quoted bandwidth for Netflix or porn. They are paying for it. That's why they're getting charged per megabit. Netflix doesn't send data to the ISP unless the end user requests it.

>youngfag
I'm not young, but apparently you're so old that you don't understand how the Internet works.

You are unbelievably naive in how the internet works. You have no idea what an internet provider is vs an edge provider. Not I realize why everyone is crying about NN. They have no idea what the fuck they are even talking about.

>You are unbelievably naive in how the internet works.
I'm literally a network engineer with a CCNP. Go ahead and try actually posting something besides ad hominem and I can explain why you're wrong.

Oh hell no you're not. Fuck off with that shit. If you are, you're the worst engineer I ever seen who doesn't even understand what a content provider is.

Cca here, you're a fucking idiot

If I'm an idiot, then you two are literal retards.

>>Netflix is a separate product from the isp
>No, it's not.
What?

>samefagging in an internet debate where all you know how to do is reference logical fallacies you learned from other cringey internet "debaters"
Fuck off retard

Again with the ad hominem. Go ahead and post an actual argument and I can explain why you're wrong. You're just making yourself look like a fool.

But-bu ... Trump is the god emperor and Hillary (who supports net neutrality) is evil.

>How dare you insult me!? You have lost this argument my good sir
>by the way you're a fool
Lol

Netflix is a web service. They already have their own ISP. They don't route data to your ISP unless one of your ISP's end users requests it. At that point, it goes through several other networks that are peered with each other until it gets to your ISP and then you. It wouldn't make sense to charge Netflix because that data is also being sent from several other networks along the way. That is why your ISP charges end users and not individual services.

>I'm literally retarded
I know, you didn't need to tell me

>They already have their own ISP
Ah yes. I, too, am subscribed to 1 GB/s Netflix internet connection in my home and get nice speeds for gaming and overall internet usage!

Who cares if some sites are slower than others? High-speed Internet access is harmful and leads to addiction. The internet's usefulness is most concentrated in text form. If you need to download something large, just leave it running overnight.

Are you pretending to be stupid? Netflix has their own ISP that they pay. You have your own ISP that you pay. All the networks inbetween have their own peering arrangements, which have their own monetary arrangements and are sometimes paid and sometimes free. All of the bandwidth between you and Netflix has already been bought and paid for.

Mhm, did you get 10 Mb/s package or the 100 Mbs/s Netflix package, my good sir?! I got the top one so I can surf at high speeds. Netflix internet sure is fast!

Oh, so you're just pretending to be stupid then.

Netflix is a subscription service. Your ISP is a subscription service. One has nothing to do with the other. What do you mean by "they're separate products" "no, it's not" ?

>Netflix is a subscription service. Your ISP is a subscription service.
I don't know why you're bringing up that Netflix has a subscription. It would be the same situation if they didn't. E.g. Hulu's free streams. As far as internet connectivity is concerned, they are the same thing. It doesn't matter if your data comes from Netflix or Hulu, it's you requesting it. Your request gets routed from you to your ISP, through all of the intermediate networks, and to the serve, then they send that data back in a similar fashion.

Netflix is the best gaming service ever! I love playing games like PUBG and Call of Duty through it!

I feel like infrastructure funded largely by the government shouldn't then be controlled entirely by corporations. It doesn't make sense that these companies use tax dollars to build the infrastructure, and then charge consumers ,who already paid for the building of it, and not even provide good service.

How? Most call data is transferred over the internet now, if we're to say that the call data is a utility, but not the internet, that's kind of fucking silly and completely contradictory.

Not that user, but you're clearly the one pretending to be stupid. I don't really understand why trolls want to make issues like this divisive. Your spreading confusion that just causes virtually everyone to suffer. Until Netflix starts installing cables and routing generalized traffic your argument is retarded.

There's nothing hypothetical about what ISPs will do when net neutrality is eliminated.

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007/09 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.
2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except YouTube. They actually sued the FCC over this.
2011/13 - AT&T, Sprint and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit.
2012 - AT&T tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money
2013 - Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place

Shills will argue that Net Neutrality is unnecessary because we've never had issues without it. I think this timeline shows just how crucial it really is to a free and open internet...

>there were net neutrality laws in 2013

>One minor incident per year on average
>Most incidents involve shit corporate web sites
>Not using https VPN with P2P
>If anything bad happens to a non-corporate site, they can simply change IP address

Oh the horror!

Linus is a cuck, but this video is quick and informative about how Netflix works.

youtube.com/watch?v=YXQpgAAeLM4

Netflix provides major ISPs with server-like boxes that host most of the Netflix library. They don't have "their own ISP"

Literally not at all how Netflix works, you're incredibly misinformed

>he actually knows what he's talking about unlike Reddit.
This motherfucker is Reddit incarnate. Who are you trying to kid?

Ajit Pai is a Pajit

>I don't know why you're bringing up that Netflix has a subscription.
I didn't bring it up, did, and you're saying it doesn't, and that it's the same as your ISP subscription plan. Which it isn't.

>Because he actually knows what he's talking about
Libertarians have literally never known what the fuck they're talking about. Not once in history.

>Libertarians have literally never known what the fuck they're talking about
They've known enough to be rich motherfuckers. I wish I had that knowledge.

Yes it is. They're regulated under Title II utility rules. That literally makes them a utility you corporate cock sucking faggot.