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To chok be witin ta nat nutai zhe hotot?
Ta tashaine be haabin to nes!
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None of this is concrete, these threads are for grammar discussion and usage speculation.
Feel free to bring up the first thing that comes into mind.
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I wanted to bring up something I was talking about last thread
As we all know currently we have the verb phrase marker zhe, in which goes an infinitive verb that changes the nature of the sentence. But with it you can only have one acting noun, for example you can easily say "I want to leave" (be gatof zhe hotot) but you can't say "I want him to leave", where him in this case is an indirect object.
Of course we have an indirect object marker fa, but I didn't know how to incorporate it in this case but I think I do now. "I want him to leave" becomes "be gatof zhe hotit fa osit". You might think, well that doesn't work because there's nothing that tells the reader what verb the fa block corresponds to, but there is. That sentence actually looks like "be gatof (zhe hotit fa osit)". The fa becomes a part of the zhe block, and you can think about it as creating a new verb- we're not speaking of "to want", we're speaking of "to want for him". Not "hotot", but "hotit fa osit".
So in a scenario where there's an indirect object for both verbs, you can tell what goes with the zhe block simply be seeing which fa is first after zhe.
Now you might notice I conjugated the direct object portion of the verb so it became hotit. Of course there is no direct object, but I was thinking there's really no reason we shouldn't be able to conjugate it optionally for indirect object too, and people have already been doing that actually. I've seen multiple people now say things like "be karet"/"be babel" which you can obviously tell what that means, but the second person the verb is conjugated to is not supposed to be objective, but subjective (you don't speak someone, you speak TO someone). So technically it should be "be babol fa dek" but there's really no issue with simply using "be babel".
That way you have the same convenience of leaving out pronouns when you don't need them- "I want you to leave" becomes "be gatof zhe hotet"
wheeee
LIVE DAMN YOU
desu if it keeps the thread alive I could keep working on my "dialect" of the language
Are you mother fuckers making a language? Is that what this is?
yeah explain whatever you're doing certainly wouldn't hurt
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Hopefully the kazakh and pole are still alive at least
To yam be haret! ;3
tsi Sup Forums be päshik ta mot nezh
To poshok be zijon fa stozaine zhe damot. Be watin ta sit.
ch-chot?
what the fuck is this
it's autistic now but some archeologist of the future will find this in the distant future and label it as some voynich kind of gibberish after most of the evidence and explanations get baleeted by time
You can learn it! In your distant hypothetical you could be one of the few souls to understand what historians puzzle over.
problem is solved here
how to make sentences that use 2 verbs
use zhe zhe as markers that build blocks which hold verb phrases and are able to to fit inside the verb block
> i leave
be dajor
> i want to leave
be hatot zhe be dajor zhe
> he leaves
be dijor to osit
> i want him to leave
be hatot zhe be dijor to osit zhe
> to go
be gohon
>You need to go
be kherog zhe be gohon zhe
> kick the cute bear
be tiding ta kitai venep
> she wants to kick the cute bear
to asit be hatot zhe be tiding ta kitai venep zhe
> she kicks the bear
to asit be tiding ta venep
> he saw her kick the bear
to osit be vidtöt zhe to asit be tiding ta venep zhe
these are clauses though right? How were you thinking the clause marker should work?
correct
> kick the cute bear
be toding ta kitai venep
> she wants to kick the cute bear
to asit be hitot zhe be toding ta kitai venep zhe
>tfw nobody remembers Kekkish anymore
Wotfu' myuuyu kalavcadeyak fuspiken nyaayov deshita? Myuuyu briluxpi nyaayov kanyaa enfind top heln nanavy-sealam deshitak anyaa minvalkrittakerpo nal-quaedayov deshita anyaa benhav valhonpatan vikildedpo. Nyaa valfoinempi nagorilla-vipenbumov deshita anyaa topchipostax chipostaxynpo nafridonin. Myuuyu nol nyaayom desu, ayesh nipnonayom. Nyaa valkildedfu' myuuy kastrikeyov sinsen dinditak deshot, myuuyu fu'brilux nau xey! Wamyuuyu brulix kamyuu gongex aspiken xe vikrapoz sodesuyak? Chifug gabrulix. Wel kachinpoppai spikanak nyaa viwerett nyaan kritnotten spokyn nafridoniayam desu amyuun IP nuskulpi nau amyuu kachifugak brilux valwinypo sodeshot. Valwinpo desu kavalkilded myuun lavlomak. Myuuyu fu'kilded desu, lavnonayu. Nyaa namwoyam anamokoyam sodesu anyaa kilded myuuy vallevpahonpo manov sodesu akaxeyesh nyaan tapovpo desuyak.
zhe zhe is for verb phrases
pa pa is for subordinate clauses or prepositional phrasas
it is all explained here
pa dap be tidïng ta venep kitai pa be bïvit ta osit - because he kicked the cute bear, the bear will kill him
Shouldn't it be
pa dap be tidïng ta venep kitai to osit pa be bïvit ta osit
I just added a subject marker inside the pas for "he". I get that in the second clause there isn't a subject specified because "it" is default for third person conjugation.
>kick the cute bear
>be toding ta kitai venep
That's just the verb "to kick the cute bear" it's not in the imperative, unless I'm missing a rule and you can just form the imperative by using infinitive conjugations somehow
Why all the autistic particles/markers? I'm trying to learn your abomination and it confuses me
Confuses me too, I mean I have "my" way of thinking about it but it looks like everyone sort of has their own perceptions of what's actually going on grammatically.
Yep.
Ok so I glanced over the pastebins and understand it a bit better
I think nouns should either have a specific ending or not be allowed to have 5 letters in CVCVC order due to confusion with verbs and not have adjective/adverb endings
Try to say "I want him to leave"
I wanna see how you would do it
subject specification can come from context
they can both be used
translating them using this pastebin.com
should get the same result
infinitive vowel is the default vowel for anything that doesnt have a direct object or subject
it might take some time to learn but it will make any sentence easy to understand
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verbs will only go after marker be
nouns will only go after markers to ta fe
Yeah I know. But it looked like you phrased that as a command, was it meant to be like that?
>be hatot zhe be dajor zhe
I guess I understand this, but it doesn't change that in the sentence "I want him to leave", him is an indirect object and we already have a marker to deal with those. Your way is like saying "I want that he leaves, I want that I leave" which works but I don't know enough grammar to tell which way is better
>a shitposting language will exist in my lifetime
Feels good.
Be danot to yam zhe be watin ta mot 'rule' zhe. Ta mushai to sit be zijon, be zhabesh!
Negation should be shorter I guess..
>Waqua chinpoppai do bodenam desshot, lavper?
It seems it was a nice lang. It is a pity that I can't find the grammar..
>it's an "int makes a conlang" episode
examples using
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> be (bibil) to (osit) ta (asit) fa (ïtït venep)
> be bibil
action: talk
> to osit
subject: he
> ta asit
direct object: she
> fa ïtït venep
ïtït: about
indirect object: bears
> pa (dap be tidïng ta venep kitai to osit) pa be (bïvit) to (venep)
> pa dap be (tidïng) ta (venep kitai) to (osit) pa
dap: because
action: kick
direct object: cute bear
subject: he
> be bïvit
action: will kill
> to venep
subject: bear
> to (asit) be (hitot zhe be toding ta kitai venep zhe)
> to asit
subject: she
> be hitot zhe (be toding ta kitai venep) zhe
action: wants
> zhe be (toding) ta (kitai venep) zhe
action: kick
direct object: cute bear
> to (osit) be (vidtöt zhe to asit be tiding ta venep zhe)
> to osit
subject: he
> be vidtöt zhe (to asit be tiding ta venep) zhe
action: saw
> zhe to (asit) be (tiding) ta (venep) zhe
subject: she
action: kick
direct object: bear
commands use del let marker
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For leisure:
My freaky "Old English"
Ic ne mag þe na forstandan. I can't undestand you now
Se mann is an retarda. The man is a retard
Ha(fa)st þu þa boka geboughten? Have you bought the book?
Modern English with the ME conjugation
Davido-kun is a person who liketh anime watchen.
Wantest thou tea drinken?
We trien the new language builden.
help us fill out the swadesh list
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As in like delet this?
Clever
Lel it's just german at this point
Hey guys ithkuil-user here.
Do you know what would be cool? If the language has zero corpula!
(Also tri-consonantal roots... ew...)
>be zhabesh
I like this, it works well
Are you saying you don't know a rule? Anyway yeah it is kinda weird having to invoke zhe just to negate, I wonder if we could get away with simply a suffix on the verb to negate?
You have a tri-consonantal root system but you don't have any imperative conjugation?
JUST
I'm offering 3 options for "the sun":
1. From IE languages(Rus. Solnce...) - sol
2. Jap. hi, Kaz. kün, Even. juuk... - ki/ kui
3. A meme that references to the sun? I don't know what we should use then.
>imperative conjugation
orders are given by using
sol - jap (land of the rising son)
s l - a
sal
sun
luna - latin
nal
moon
salit - day
isalit - today
aisalit - tomorow
eisalit - yesterday
nalit - night
inalit - tonight
ainalit - tomorow night
einalit - last night
animal --> animale
mother --> mom
flower --> 1. yuuka(?) / 2. Fin. kukka / 3. yukka
dog --> 1. Rus. sobaka(from Indo-Iranian. Scythian. (i)špaka) / 2. Slavic. Pes / ... / 3. kurun --> korean - food = k r n - oo[u]
Perfect
It's a clusterfuck
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shrek (all star)
shek
star
ere (revolution)
around
eresal - year
erenal - month
flower - yuka
dog - sobaka
cat - someka (dogs bark, cats meow )
mom and animal are too similar
Pa dap to dek'hem mom be zijon thiiikai pa, to shek dinot zhe be zojin thiikai kaki to asit.
If verb selection is arbitrary, then who's to say I can't have two infinitives for the same verb - with no difference in degree or intensity?
fish - ghoti for the memes
it will create confusion
Bird - Touhou origin(easy to remember I guess): 1. Utsuho / 2. Lorelei / 3. Aya// 1. Rus. petuh(chicken, cock)(The "Russian proofs" meme) / Rus. Kuritsa(chicken) / Rus. Zheludok("stomach". sleng, it means pigeon in reality)
Okay I'm gonna try
>I want to give her a gift
be hatot zhe be gobin fa asit ta gift zhe
seconding this
using inverse of on verbs
wotonat
knowledge
vodotef
eye
dovotat
gift
kokolek
cuck
vorogat
question
notorat
attempt
todongef
foot
poshokat
meme
kokotef
ear
togomat
creation
moshotis
seat
zolonat
number
bosonef
teeth
toborat
food
I don't like this marker system, markers should be used for possession or something, not for every other word
we should finish the swadesh list verbs
92 to drink
93 to eat - tobor
94 to bite - boson
95 to suck -
96 to spit
97 to vomit
98 to blow
99 to breathe
100 to laugh - rofol
101 to see - vodot
102 to hear - kokot
103 to know - woton
104 to think - domot
105 to smell
106 to fear
107 to sleep - noroz
108 to live
109 to die
110 to kill - bovot
111 to fight
112 to hunt
113 to hit
114 to cut
115 to split
116 to stab
117 to scratch
118 to dig
119 to swim
120 to fly
121 to walk - hodot
122 to come - vonor
123 to lie (as in a bed)
124 to sit - moshot
125 to stand
126 to turn (intransitive)
127 to fall
128 to give - dovot
129 to hold
130 to squeeze
131 to rub
132 to wash
133 to wipe
134 to pull
135 to push
136 to throw
137 to tie
138 to sew
139 to count - zolon
140 to say - sozot
141 to sing -
142 to play
143 to float
144 to flow
145 to freeze
146 to swell
How are these formed? Aren't these a bit longer than necessary? 3 syllables for "foot" or "ear" is pretty impractical. We need a way to shorten nouns
to suck - sococ (from succ)
pak
group of
fug
many
afug
more
efug
less
üm
in
ot
out
do
to/towards
va
if
ja
then
they are related to verbs
salitpak
week
So I got the first part but I can't figure out the second
Explain?
What are the new changes?
I was here a couple days ago.
we have a grammar structure made of blocks which have a flexible order
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intro to language
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intro part 2
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how to translate a sentence
This will surpass Kekkish, hopefully.
Get back to Skype and teach the Ithkuil initiates.
>that fat fuck saxon in the red tunic
No wonder why the Saxons lost.
Pö asi nu ha pols ki e duo.
Es seivilin lon esuwi. Tumna, ta ama occien artima ver pospos su pa lië, igoms aric, hísik nevolsöd len e kalans klui pistalat, te del voccola söd fleuca sama coro nir fla anpols okulom bin singlon üf sel aso entic occon mo.
Ai la on kales, lun. Te pilante lo be lo alistra perpo slo apans ga la va dendo ruso lo subje. Güo kiptë cot lavaltratiodi mameni mon asi mute su medicain sümon, naflasa nú.
Sog.
Panegba sulo pö. Oli si ma suwi e supakiöpa dia unpi fa pin. Namo. Ya li pilmentante, fificanwëarinya, ba sum taque li li locciti lenpokiweblin linegonauxionsteli mí, deivoccia deg prompok oi ki li. Petham te lite lasedi ostragölsöd etholtrapin pöpinsöv prios vompi imonas antenpi finostornë ok e pi pervitimma ken so, an wa nasenimba clopeme su eflejecumoko af.
Pan altanë atitif, ne nú. Ai pon indeli. Yad. Yadre. An bario des sino prima men. Hla vama tó lenterne sinu po, rectido kiphalincrike samanama seline cos kofaran gudo obs-lië hyólapes.
kit - (english)
stick
baro (spanish)
tree
barokit
branch
fokon - falcon punch
punch
fokonef
hand
kitfokonef
arm
kittodongef
leg
totok
to attack/hit
botof
to btfo
tar
water
fot
earth
zok
fire
gan
air
sas - (ass)
but/however
ül
at
äfug
most
ëfug
least
ädit
future
ëdit
past
non
name
emok
person
omok
man
amok
woman
omoku
husband
amoku
wife
chan
child
ochan
boy
achan
girl
chare
which
nete
each
mew
few
nim
every/all
nas
some
nel
no/none
emis
place
nimemis
everywhere
nasemis
somewhere
nelemis
nowhere
imok
thing
nimimok
everything
nasimok
something
nelimok
nothing
emit
time
nimemit
every time
nasemit
sometimes
nelemit
never
botukemit
once
tekekemit
twice
etir
parent
otir
father
atir
mother
ochanu
son
achanu
daughter
Proposal to change son to mehmechu
This is probably the nerdiest thing outside of /tg/.
Achag bruxnul qat bala shiq menchik og vat shuk chim batu qan den shiq maiku fong wada bong wing suk tiq tong bong wiq nim dong qin bala bing bong nig chong qwin dwin bang a bong chong qling ting sing fong twong tok bing bong nig nik nog qing kin bata wah bae ya.
Bardas fánë vod on flen vi svelis flasto ráto que sle Sá otya qua kuhipinakinad. No atu of? Wénir, más arn pa enn te upa ílë no. Vala
dera
other/another
vodok - vodka
to drink
kada
leaf
kitkada
stem
petu
chicken
ketu
rooster
We should use a logographic system. :D
make one
Don't listen to him stay here and help us develop this superior language
What do you all think about noun clauses?
pitt.edu
How do we form the noun "what I had for dinner"
Are adjective clauses a thing?
Stay alive.
Näroz.
Pa chit be bäzin ta Sup Forums pa to motai nezh be khirog zhe be sitöy zhe (sotoy- to stay)!!!!
Just think about it. You've wasted all this time you could have spend learning a non-constructed language.
kekai
funny
Learning any language other than English is a waste.