Why is it that everybody who has lived under communism say it was utter shit but college liberals praise it endlessly?

Why is it that everybody who has lived under communism say it was utter shit but college liberals praise it endlessly?

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College liberals praise socialism, not gommunism. Almost the same thing though

Neither of those regimes was communist though, dumb yank.

I actually know a few people from the Soviet Union that are in favor of communism.

Cuckberals, amirite?

Thank KEK that based Dank IRL Pepe Man will get elected this November :^)

Well, it's not like he's going to purge the Marxists from the social studies faculties around the US.

If you want to get rid of the victim/oppressor ideology you better start there, who's the president doesn't really matter as much.

American """ education """
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lmao at all the triggered commiecucks itt

Guess what.
Turns out capitalism is shit too.
That's why the entire world is a giant mess.

>That's why the entire world is a giant mess.
If by "giant mess" you mean "better than ever before".

See
>My specific, perfect etc etc

Yes yes look at all the peace and prosperity.

Shhh, you'll trigger the delusional idiots.

Not an argument.

do you know that red khmers were anti-communists supported by the usa in their war with vietnam

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That's a bullshit misconception that right-wing Americans spread. Something like half of Russia is nostalgic for the Soviet Union.

contrarian culture mainly.
Also:
Who the hell takes serious what kids say?

>All the triggered gommunist in this thread
Fug :D

It's something that almost nobody talks about here despite it being easily found information.
Pol Pot wouldn't have taken power if the USA hadn't bombed the shit out of Cambodia.

Russians like living under an iron fist though.

They still have that medieval mentality of might is right

Russians just think that whole world is against them and without a strong leader the world will tear the appart.

I think most liberals are looking for a social democracy or Socialism lite which would be several orders of magnitude less extreme than Soviet Communism.

Most people are looking for more Government run social programs to increase equality of opportunity and to reduce the income inequality. I don't think most liberals would advocate a total redistribution of wealth and elimination of classes though.

>look at me I don't know who Putin's predecessor was

To right-wing morons there's no difference.

Yezin had the bad luck to get the hate for the transformation.

>less extreme than Soviet Communism

This is a bullshit meme. These faggot college kids like to say how harmless their "Socialism" would be but you can bet your ass if they actually had the power to, they would create a totalitarian state. It's just what Leftists do. At least right wing Fascists are honest about their intentions.

Anyone who seriously shills for Chavez, or hell any of those people listed needs their fucking head examined.

Half of Russia is nostalgic for the status and prestige of the Soviet Era, of being a citizen of of a superpower, not its shitty economic system.

so you don't think he was a weak leader?

He was and during him Russians lived in shit.

I honestly thought they were baiting. People really want communism?

Last time they were invaded, the invader officially wanted to enslave them and work them to extinction.

Yeltsin was a fucking moron. I'm no leftist but even I'm not stupid enough to think that the unaided free market is magic and that completely tearing down a command economy overnight is gonna fix everything. There needed to be transitional steps taken, not his moronic economic "shock therapy".

Yes.

Not surprising though. Our colleges and universities are LITERALLY Marxist indoctrination centres. The communists infiltrated our education systems long ago

It works reasonably enough for small hunter gatherer communities.

With radical modification of human natural instinctrive behavior, it should be possible to make it work in large modern societies, but genetic engineering is unlikely to reach that level of sophistication in our lifetime.

I can't speak for everyone, I'm sure there are people who want super-communism where there is a total redistribution of wealth but I think that group is assumed to be much larger than it actually is. Also, college kids are only just getting into politics typically and are stupid. They have oversimplified views and don't really understand the bigger picture. Their views will typically moderate as they become more mature and gain more life experience.

t. US-American with 0 (zero) idea about Yeltsin
Why don't you check your claims lad.

t. Chairman Sheng-ji Yang

I think college age kids are just naturally more liberal. The only thing they have known is being taken care of by someone else.

>They have oversimplified views and don't really understand the bigger picture.

That's true for your typical voter regardless of his age desu.

That wasn't real communism.

Communism was still better than third world.

if (poor) people and the masses were the way firstworld sheltered leftwing youth think they are, communism would be a good thing and it would work..

But they aren't so it wouldn't .

As an ex-leftist I can pretty much confirm this. The intelligentsia in the United States and pretty much the rest of the west is unapologetically leftist and very intolerant of other viewpoints. They are waging an idealogical war against the right and won't be satisfied until they win.

I was always under the impression that kids are treated like mini-adults in Germanic cultures?

>"capitalism is bad, guys!"
>"it makes people poor for some reason!"

It's idealistic. College liberals and "academics" are dogmatic idealists. And it's dangerous.

Yang was right about a lot of stuff. But out of all the leaders, only Saintiago was a moron.

From what I've experienced, they don't actually want communism, just to benefit from their idea of it. They don't want to work in a factory or on a farm.

It's some bizarre idea of a society where they benefit with very little given in return. And this debilitating haze on just how its going to work makes it effectively impossible to attack their idea or get them to consider the short coming of it all.

Ironically, they're the parasites that the revolutionary vanguard would immediately execute should a communist revolution take place.

You will propably gettng beaten up for being that stupid here.

I saw a news report on Venezuela on German state TV (absolutely anti-Chavez) a few weeks ago and the only example they could present for how terribly oppressed the Venezuelan people are was some fuck who was whining about how his family used to own sooo much land but Chavez took it all away and gave it to the people that actually did the work on it. Cry me a river you spoiled faggot.
Also they kept bringing up that sometimes there are toilet paper shortages - absolutely nightmarish, how did people ever survive without toilet paper?

I unironically think capitalism is responsible for ending global poverty too desu

They seem to be under the impression that guys making $75,000-$250,000 a year are freeloaders cruising by at the same pace they are. Which couldn't be further from the truth when you look at their hours, work ethic, and value produced.

It's a bunch of ivory tower fags with no practical experience postulating on their ideal version of reality when they aren't qualified to do so. (and of course the poor are going to go along with it)

What about the food shortages or decline in infrastructure?

Well it was a German TV-Chanbel they propably just did look up two Die Zeit article before making this documentary. If they even showed Venezuela there and didn't just some Gyüsy Neighboarhood.

80% of the people pretty much only have Mangos to eat there.

I am unironically Anarcho communist but I'll fight anyone that tries to force communism on others by the barrel of a gun.
I vote Democratic socialism since that's the closest mainstream parties get to my ideology.

You really enjoy to be poor.

What made you go that route?

The only reason the Chavez government survived its own stupidity was oil revenues you dipshit leftist Kraut.

And your disrespect of private property is why people like you should just be shot on sight. If you want property, save up and buy it, don't act like your entitled to your employer's land just because you work there.

As a "liberal" who is soon to be an engineer I don't really want "communism" as I don't want my six figure salary that I feel I rightfully earned to be taken away from me. But as someone who has worked in the trenches of minimum wage fast food I also understand it's hard to get up from the bottom when you have nothing and spend your life working 80+ hours a week just to get by (yes there are people that actually have to do this, I was fortunate to note be one of them).

That said what I would prefer to do is invest heavily in education and lower entry barriers for low income people. Colleges, trade schools, etc should be more available to people who want to get out of retail hell. If we can't eliminate the cost of education then it should at least be reduced by any means possible. This wouldn't only apply to colleges but trade schools as well. In poor urban areas classroom sizes should be reduced to allow for teachers to give more attention to individual students. Additionally the school should have several social workers to meet with kids who don't have great parents to provide some kind of positive influence and sense of direction in the child's life to keep them away from crime. Meetings should be variable and would depend on the circumstances of each child.

This plan is highly ambitious and would no doubt be expensive and would probably result in tax hikes which is universally unpopular. But I think it would very positive effects within a few years and it could eventually be scaled back.

It is. Capitalism combined with inclusive institutions = big gains.

I was unironically being unironic :^)

Well, by comparison we've never had a better chance of not getting murdered.

I don't know.

>all collapsed, failed or poor states

lmao

fuck off reddit

>And this debilitating haze on just how its going to work makes it effectively impossible to attack their idea or get them to consider the short coming of it all

This. Seriously, if your ideology catastrophically fucks up whenever anyone tries to implement it, maybe there's something wrong with the ideology itself?

Nope.

Communism is an end product, not a process.

We have never had communism, though we've had many failed attempts to achieve it.

>americans call left-wing people 'liberals'
>americans call peopel who praise communism liberals

it grates the very fibres of my soul

>That said what I would prefer to do is invest heavily in education and lower entry barriers for low income people. Colleges, trade schools, etc should be more available to people who want to get out of retail hell.

The STEM shortage is a meme, and there's really only so many positions available that need a college education. The greater problem is globalisation (outsourcing/insourcing) and automation, which no-one wants to touch for obvious reasons (i.e. our elites are fanatically devoted to the former)

>affluent bankers

lel

those people who "have to work 80+ hours a week to get by" are retards who did one of the following:

>did fuck-all in the free grade school afforded to them by the government
>made huge mistakes like crime
>incurred large amounts of debt or unsustainable liabilities (like children)

the idea that we are not in control of our fates is utterly stupid, the people who are truly screwed by "life" by something like disability are few and far in between, exceptions

the pathway to college is not hard whatsoever these days

So it's about as real as unicorns and fairy faggot dust and any attempts to find it are surefire ways to end up with a despot in power or universal famine

got it

It can work in small communes but in large nation-states, no way.

>americans call republicans 'conservatives'
>americans call peopel who praise liberal revolutions conservatives

Maybe not communism but socialism sound pretty good.

>communism
>nation-states

wew

>2016
>ideology

REALLY made me think

Well, I wasn't talking forcing people into STEM. There's many other career paths that people can get educated for and it's not all liberal arts shit either.

Globalization at this point is probably not reversible. Manufacturing in America is largely dead and it's time to move on and stop trying to resurrect it. There will always be somewhere that is willing to make shit cheaper than it will be here and there's no incentive on Earth you could make that will get industry back. I think the better option is to shift our economy and move towards more jobs that are harder if not impossible to outsource. I'm not against manufacturing in America and I think it will always be around here and there on small scales but it'll never be back like it was in the 40s-60s.

I think fuck-ups should be given second chances though. People are immature when they're young and they make stupid mistakes. After working a few years in the minimum wage trap sometimes they wake up and realize what a huge mistake they've made but at that point it's too late and they don't have enough money to escape. Of course part of my education reform would be to target kids when they're much younger and help prevent them making those mistakes in the first place.

It's a hard sell though. Everyone wants quick, easy, and cheap answers to complex problems and it's not realistic. Liberals try to solve problems by giving everyone welfare. It doesn't work. Conservatives try to solve problems by doing nothing and blaming everyone else. No surprise, it doesn't work either. Complex problems require complex solutions and those aren't popular with taxpayers. My ideas will likely never be implemented and things will remain the way they are for the foreseeable future.

Are communists anything other than just a bunch of lazy cunts wanting equality?
Give everyone a fair chance at making their way in the world and don't take away others success because you were too lazy to try.

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Immigrant neighbor said that soviet police were push overs, not like cops here where they can murder you at will.

Also free healthcare, housing, work guarantee, etc made for a sweet life.

Also they felt that they owned their country, and where masters of their destiny.

Of course outside sanctions, embargoes, barring them from markets, cash, etc hurt the country but they were in the right and any attacks on them were just seen as proof that the "imperialist" countries were scared of them of succeeding.

He moved because of the 90s.

I merely don't want my country to be a banana Republic and environmental degradation fueled by consumerism to continue.

I read das kapital and I completely agreed with Marx's criticism of capitalism, funny how most of it still applies after 150 years, but I wasn't really sure that his interpretation of communism was perfect, given how badly it turned out in the USSR and China, I came to the conclusion that he was wrong in thinking the State should have supreme power, even if only for a little while because the State never gives it up, instead little communes/municipalities/cantons should decide how to manage themselves and the "State" should be nothing more than a coordinator or dialogue facilitator for the self-managing cantons, as well as the foreign policy driver.
That should prevent the kinds of horrible dictatorships that we've seen in the past.

God he looks like such a badass.

He's genuinely a nice guy. One of the few commies I can respect.

Good thing we started doing capitalism in the 1970s then.
Cause that's what the graph is capturing, it's totally capturing the effect of capitalism, which started in the 1970s, and not the effect of the information technology boom.

I make in the 75k - 250k range and it's the easiest job i've ever had in my life.
I worked MUCH harder when I was making 30k a year.
You "just world" idiots who think people who make more money work harder crack me up. I've had like 10 jobs in my life and literally the more money you make the less work you do. I sit in meetings for 15 hours a week for christ's sake.

There's footage from the 80s of a policeman and ordinary citizen bickering about something like a parking violation. Americans were shocked to see it.

Not an argument.

Not really. The most serious issues came from the idiots in the background.

Most collapsed because others invaded them.
That's hardly a measure of their success.

That's bullshit and you know it.

When college retards say socialism they're talking about the kind of shit in Canada or in the UK.

Communism never really existed. All of the supposed communistic states were just simple military dictatorships. The "communism" lasted as long as one leader (criminal) who started the dictatorship by exploiting the masses.
China might get it right eventually.

I really don't see why they would desu especially given how much richer they've gotten under capitalism.

Eh idk. There's still a lot of nostalgia for the USSR, Yugoslavia, China, and shit in those former communist countries

Thats just it. A country like China cant last forever on capitalism. Too many peope. Plus their social development policies they started implementing years back have a goal of equalizing the wealth of the people (relatively). So you know eventually.

yugoslavia had market socialism