How would you rate/rank the following fields in terms of: a) Good reputation and money b) It's comfy work c) It's fun and challenging d) It's easy to get the qualifications and find a job
Fields: Software Engineer Web Development Database Architect Business Analyst Networking System Adminstration User Administration Penetration Tester Help desk
John Cox
>Help desk >shit reputation you work at a fucking call centre >money yeah it was pretty alright; fresh out of high school and on 45k. >comfy it was the exact fucking opposite >fun about as fun as pulling my own teeth out >challenging yeah it was to not throw myself out a window >easy to get all you need is to be able to speak and youre hired
Connor Bennett
it just depends on your passion, usually(for the most people) making money is the exact opposite of having fun. Therefore you're gonna get different answers, some people just pick the one thing they like and become good at it in order to make money in that field.
I personally can't rank every one of them since i haven't been in some of those fields, but pentesting/networking/software engineer would be at the top while help desk/db/webdev would be at the bottom.
Josiah Hall
, here.
As promised I present to you my half-assed attempt to perpetuate that knowledge: cyberneets.neocities.org/
I made it through the first two chapters of internetingishard. There's a lot of stuff that I want to add, but for now that's what we'll have.
Don't pay attention to the CSS file. kek I didn't even used selectors or anything fancy, just basic pain and suffering as a noob in webdev.
Shit was fun, though.
Camden Turner
I saw your link in the last thread but forgot to include it in the OP. I wanted to refactor the OP ressources anyway but didn't get my ass up so far
Matthew Evans
"networking" can be like a dozen different things pure network people are rare because businesses just don't need pure networking people for long term full time employment, or if they do they already have someone as an independent contractor, you'll be driving your van with the logo and phone number around, trying to go to local business meetups and shill your services to the people there after that you're going to get to do the fun stuff of surveying the site, making network diagrams (well i find that part fun anyway), figuring out what you can do to improve the situation and proposing solutions that hopefully make you some money after you set them up all smooth they pretty much don't have use for you anymore, so you'll just give a number to call when they break it and the process of finding new work starts over again
the tech qualifications are pretty easy, you can get a bunch of networking certs in like 3 months the "running a business" part of being independent and figuring out how much to charge, how to get equipment, how to advertise, how to pay "yourself", how to do the taxes, that's all a headache and probably something to attend a seminar about
charisma is required, and you should probably always be looking for other skills to pick up i'd probably go more blue collar and work on some electrician apprenticeships since it's a natural combo with the van, if you like code there's usually a desire for network focus there due to its rarity, sysadmin is also good for steady (generally lower) pay and the odd schedules leading you to being more ready to perform network jobs on the side when you can
Joshua Green
Hahaha..
Ok, but why do people recommend getting certificates and jumping straight into help desk? Is it just a career stepping stone?
Well I've done a bunch of different things and generally I kinda enjoyed my work: I've done websites as freelancer (which is not bad, but it's a lot of hustle and becomes repetitive pretty fast - hence the millions of stupid frameworks). I've also worked as business analyst which basically meant doing excel, powerpoint and fixing computers every now and then. I've also worked with databases a little bit, which I enjoyed a lot, but where I don't have great qualifications. While my SQL is quite solid I have little knowledge about the bigger topics (logging, backups, metadata, optimizing queries, designing a complete business infrastructure and so on).
Long story short: I'd like to do some interesting IT-related work which is not too hard to get into. Recently I thought about getting into security (or at least more into security) or maybe network related stuff. That's why I posted here. But I'm already in my thirties so some things probably won't fly. For example I always hear that for pentesting people with years of experience say they aren't good enough for a certain job. So I'm probably not gonna make it. Netorking also looks interesting, but I'm not sure about digging through all those Cisco certifications.
You could say I'm just trying to get an idea what to do with my life, I guess..
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Jonathan Sanders
Thanks.
From my background I'm coming more from the white collar angle. I'm not having any strong foundations in economy, but that's where I got the most good boy points in my c.v.
What you said is exactly what I'm concerned about: I'd like to get away (at least a little bit) from the business side and work more at the "technical side". But I think if I do some certifications for networking I still won't be able to compete with guys who have a strong background which lies closer to metal.
Is there a way to work somewhere in the midde of databases, networking and security realted stuff?
I feel like I have a lot of superficial skills, but nothing where you could call me an expert. I'm not afarid of learning, but I don't want to spend a lot of time and money for complicated cisco certificates when eventually they won't help me at all for my job, since I'm not a technician.
I know there isn't a roadmap to finding the perfect job, but I wish there was. It's all so confusing.
Blake Thomas
is creating ebooks and educational software /cyb/?
Nicholas Ross
Only if it's illegal.
Bentley Russell
first for solarpunk
Josiah Evans
:(
Isaac Williams
Is Lisbeth Salander, from "The girl with the dragon tattoo, 2011" cyberpunk. She's pretty much all about high tech low life.
Caleb Cruz
Or you can simply ask for advice and pretend it's illegal..
Does anyone still remeber when ebooks where called "bookz"?
Is this some Buckminster Fuller stuff?
Jack Hughes
The site is plain and simple. Good job, user! Thanks for delivery
Brayden Robinson
Is information security still a good career or will it all be automated away and the rest of the work done in calcutta?
I have made commitments to this community, and my belief in it's destiny has not diminished.
There are enough flakes in this world; so much of the Internet and reality seems like an infomercial (promises, bullshit and disapointment leading to conditioning toward anger,).
Individuals can change this (and keeping my word is the best way I know how to do my part).
I have tried to do my best to put this community first; in that vein, the best way I can serve the community for the time being is to step back from here and focus on my projects for the community:
1) OuterHeaven will be down for a couple more days as I prepare for more mirrors (some of which will be on SDF), adding the content I have been collecting from these threads )I am pretty much caught up to the beginning June 2016.
A record of all sources are compiled in a spread sheet that I will make available to all of you sooner rather than later.
2) The Firing Range (pentest network(s): I have added a shitload of solid thin clients and a couple more servers.to the equipment and software/licenses for the lab.
Work on the pentesting portion of OutHeaven will begin very soon, aiming for a opening between X-mas and New Years as a present to all of you.
I collect resources from these threads every 3-4 days; sometime next week I will drop an e-mail address for anyone with any questions or who wants updates.
The main difficulty will be automating realistic user interactions within the network with a huge number of cron jobs/scheduled tasks/rcd/scripts (etc.) to make administration unwieldy.
Any input (or any other points or concerns) e-mailed to me next week would be helpful.
3) My former employer has gone out of business, which leaves me somewhat absolved of ethical revulsions toward posting multiple gigabites of pentest footage I have recorded while employed through them (cont'd next comment).
Liam Miller
(cont'd) I intend to put this up on OH (minus and/or with substitutions for /questionable data) before or early in the new year; any criticisms or thoughts regarding this (shared with me next week or later via e-mail) will be appreciated. Before I released my essay (Shared thoughts blah blah), I never spoke less than a dozen times to anyone online about my InfoSec/hacking obsession (outside of instances relating to my employment).
For better or worse I have learned a lot here through my interactions with all of you.
And I owe much of what I have/who I am to those who came before me (in InfoSec/general CS and Cyberpunk) and must give back the treasure/salvation I have been given..
>>dont worry im still here :^) Nope. I have not been in this general again until this morning. Also, for I despise emojis and text constructed facial reactions (it probably has another name).
I wrote this now just to reaffirm that I will continue as part of the community (though for the the time being, my only activity in this general will only be spent on collecting resources) and meet the promises I have made; otherwise, I am ghost (reachable via e-mail) working toward growing the massive potential I see here.
It is unlikely I will see any comments; I use DownthemAll to grab resources then fly through the page looking only for highlighted content (anything missed will reappear if it is worthwhile and I sometimes hit old generals again when gathering new resources).
I happened to see one anons comment and just wanted to clear the air; I am no special snowflake; I just wabted to ake sure that all of you know I will be honoring my promises (ride or die I think they say).
I fucking hate I in writing; it sticks out like fingers into my eyes.
Thanks anons; stay safe (but not too safe).
Dominic White
* without a huge number of cron jobs/scheduled tasks/rcd/scripts (etc.) making administration unwieldy.
*I spoke less than a dozen times to anyone online about my InfoSec/hacking obsession (outside of instances relating to my employment).
Sorry, old learning disability creeps in sometimes.
Have a better one.
Logan Hall
I'm interested in picking up a nice, thick /sec/ book. I know basic Java and JS, what are the best security books for a noob like me? I've got Gray Hat Hacking, but I think it's currently a little out of my range of understanding (though what I have understood has been really interesting), so I think I should possibly find something less scary before jumping back into it for real.
Juan Smith
It's called "emoticon" and has been used on arpanet and usenet since 1982. Maybe even since 1979.
web application hackers handbook art of exploitation both are in the mega link in the OP
Aaron Martin
>solarpunk I added it to the FAQ. Unfortunately I forgot to update the index. New version is coming.
>Is this some Buckminster Fuller stuff? Might as well be when you mention it though I haven't seen it. Someone at Wikipedia absolutely hates the term so it has been wiped every single time.
I think she is meant to be an autist. If that bestows status as /cyb/ I do not know.
I hope not, I have spent many hours updating the FAQ past 100 KB text which is free for all.
Adam Allen
Is this cyberpunk?
Thomas White
No.
Absolutely not. It is like the part of post modernism that Alan Sokal calmly killed off, here reanimated with pats firmly down, indubitably deconstructing depravity.
Ethan Walker
What a strange mix of low brow humor and pretentiousness.
Jace Mitchell
This is just stupid and gay
Jace Ramirez
Anyone know anything about the ZenMate VPN? I'm considering purchasing a lifetime subscription during their sale, but I'm kinda suspicious of it. Would love for someone who has had experience with them to weigh in.
Jason Russell
I've always hated how overused gay is as an insult but I think it just might be appropriate this time.
Hunter Reyes
>employer has gone out of business Shieeeet. What happened?
Jordan Smith
Please no, InfoSec is the only area in IT that's not saturated in here.
Dylan James
manifesto's are cringey as hell my dude
Kevin Brown
gommunist manifesdo
t. garl marx xD
Landon Powell
>Ok, but why do people recommend getting certificates and jumping straight into help desk? Because as you'll soon realise, most people you encounter who give you "advice" have never walked the path and have zero fucking idea what they are talking about. >Is it just a career stepping stone? Neither. It was not brought up in any of my interviews for desktop support work, and the technical knowledge I was interviewed for and need to know in my day to day most certainly did NOT come from my Helpdesk days.
It was a good way for me to make some money as a broke uni kid, but it was an awful job that basically created my anxiety and depression issues. I never had them until I worked at that call centre.
I was promised the world too; I was told I'd be put on courses to make my career move, that level 2 teams recruit from the level 1 guys; it was all lies. Level 2 didn't want us because we had no skills, and we were never put through courses because "you're too valuable to the team to send away! You belong here!"
Anyone recommending Helpdesk has never walked the path.
Sebastian Perry
>aiming for a opening between X-mas and New Years as a present to all of you.
Connor Anderson
It's be probably more constructive to link to /diy/'s /ohm/ threads as they add a lot of resource for starters.
Jose Cruz
Manifestos wrought in sheer rage are quite readable. There is an old one from alt.cyberpunk which is disturbingly relevant today.
Ayden Brooks
That sounds nice. We need to make more beginner friendly resource packs
Jace Butler
What are you working on /cyb/? For me, it's the project I've been putting off for literally 11 months
Tyler Morris
Collecting info. I gathered a lot of the infographics posted earlier and put it into ./Cyberpunk/Tech/Infographics on the FTP site which, as it happens is down.
James Murphy
My bad, the FTP is up, the data is here: ftp://collectivecomputers.org:21212/Books/Cyberpunk/Tech/Infographics/ user and password: guest
Andrew Hughes
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Robert Jenkins
>What are you working on /cyb/? >For me, it's the project I've been putting off for literally 11 months Fucking lol, same.
Im working through nand2tetris. I started it in December last year, went through the first 4 weeks, took some very good notes and learnt a hell of a lot, but kinda forgot about it when other courses I wanted to do came up.
Now I'm burnt out as fuck and want to do something for myself, not for my career, so I'm back in the nand2tetris and it's really fun and enjoyable.
I learnt how to (theoretically) write an assembler. The next video is about actually coding it out, and I'm excited to watch it.
Robert Moore
Tox or email i can reach you at? I can help with the cron jobs and automation.
Ethan Cruz
Awesome B-)
Hudson Anderson
Well done
William Reed
Don’t waste your money buddy, the only reason to use one is if you plan on doing some browsing from a public WiFi hotspot, and in that case just make your own.
Kayden Edwards
>Web Dev drop the bottom 5 on your list
Justin Cruz
i just uploaded JK-47s discography for you guys, some nice Cyberpunk themed music
If you want to support the guy, whole discography is just 9,60
Jose Davis
I bought it myself and uploaded it for those who can't afford it.
Owen Ramirez
/cyb/ threds summed up
> "how do i hack" > "what books should i read" > career advice questions from people who want to make 100k a year but have help desk level experience > maderas posts some shit about OH that he and 10 other people at most understands > random questions to keep the conversation going.
Did i miss anything?
Chase Miller
Has this general ever made a CTF team?
William Martin
Lol I've posted puzzles before and tried to get them in to CTFs but they never take off
Jaxson Kelly
Post your zmap speed 148 Kp/s (148 Kp/s avg)
Aiden Torres
>not wearing panties and coding socks fucking gaylords
John Moore
Oh really? After all the things I've done for you, that's what you say to me? I feel so hurt....I thought we had something special.
Connor Lewis
How do I know OH isn't a fucking honeypot?
Jordan Stewart
software engineer here. how do I pivot to being a network administrator? I mean the kind that makes damn good money. I have a basic base of networking knowledge. Do I get certifications?
>> "how do i hack" >> "what books should i read" >> career advice questions from people who want to make 100k a year but have help desk level experience at least the Reddit hacking subs make these topics an instant van
I'd suggest a wiki or something we can direct people to, but I get the feeling it won't be fucking read..
Jose Howard
people really think hacking is something that can be learned from a book one weekend and applied like an algorithm huh?
Oliver Nelson
If development can, there's nothing to say that hacking can't.
You can read a book to find out how to perform buffer overflows, how to test and perform SQL injections; much in the same way you can learn to develop apps and websites by reading books and applying your new found methods.
Doing X and being good at X are two different things.
Camden Morris
>You can read a book to find out how to perform buffer overflows, how to test and perform SQL injections Isn't that just cracking?
Camden Roberts
I really need to start going through that.
Zachary Watson
>Isn't that just cracking? I thought it was >reading a book to find out how to perform buffer overflows >reading a book on how to test and perform SQL injections
You're part of the problem if you keep moving these magical goal posts that beginners won't ever be able to hit, because you don't want to share the field.
Robert Clark
I thought hacking was about the mentality, everyone can read a book and follow instructions to make a buffer overflow but not everyone can apply that knowledge to solve more advanced problems. I mean, I don't think of myself as a hacker just for reading the art of exploiting and reproducing the steps, everyone can follow instructions. The hard thing is going further and I say this as a beginner. To be honest the only thing that pushes me forward is that imaginary construction of the hacker that is able to think outside the box in any situation.
Kevin James
>everyone can read a book and follow instructions to make a buffer overflow No, they really can't. Try taking that over to /r9k/ or Sup Forums and see how well they can even follow the steps, let alone reapply the methods to something else.
Brandon Diaz
>▀ The importance of a cyberpunk mindset applied to a cybersecurity skillset.: > youtu.be/pcSlowAhvUk
Why is this globalist shill on our copypasta? He ended his lecture with a quote from a Marxist... Come to think of it, all ted talks I've seen include leftist dog whistles. Nothing wrong with liberals, but it's clear the far left are the ones protecting the deep state at the moment.
Parker Bell
So /cybsec/ what Im doing is finishing up my master's, EE/CE Student, bailed out of most extreme hardware stuff and made up for it with networking stuff Working on my thesis too that's a malware analysis thing I'm pretty fixated on a career in cybersecurity desu and I wanted advice on what to pursue, considering I like pretty much most of the security fields In other words what has the best prospects really
Joseph Harris
>what jobs are in your area >what are you skilled in >who is hiring
This has less to do what you want in an airy fairy land and more to do with the cold facts: are you in an area that's even hiring in the IT realm, let alone sec?
Noah Morales
>it's clear that the far left are the ones protecting the deep state at the moment You're just as clueless and dumb as the globalist Marxist leftist shills you criticize. The two sides are the same. They're both greedy, oversensitive, callous, hypocritical, short-sighted, tribalistic retards. You think rightists are any better? Look at the fucking white house. I don't know for sure you're a Trump supporter, but it's my guess.
>I'm gonna drain the swamp, believe me! And I know swamps! >nominates Verizon shill >nominates ExxonMobil shill >fills his cabinet with corporatist puppets no better than Shillary
>b-but muh 42D chess!!! Just stop. How can you even rationalize this crazy bullshit in your head? Trump claimed he was an outsider with a new perspective who could drain the swamp, but he's just as bought and paid for as any other politician, he just managed to hide his fucking marionette strings from enough dimwitted simpleton to get into office. Trumpsters were conned and they're too dense to see it.
So please, Sup Forums, just leave. No one wants you here.
Samuel Hill
Im in a country that isn't hiring, but im well enough connected in uni to consider a job the day I get my degree abroad
Logan Anderson
Yeah, I looked further into it, and it seems like a shitty VPN. thank u
Logan King
Fake and gay.
Hunter Barnes
it's definitely a honeypot so act accordingly and use proxies
Evan Price
What is OuterHeaven?
Ryan Nguyen
>Did i miss anything? Yes.
You missed the FAQ and the FTP site. The FAQ is being written here, OC.
Noah Gomez
it's a secret :^)
Hudson Davis
>everyone can read a book and follow instructions to make a buffer overflow If it's so easy, whip up an exploit for the latest Samba vulnerability: samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2017-14746.html
Elijah Phillips
Give me a book about exploiting Samba and I can do it.
Gavin Jackson
The political angle is interesting, at least from the /cyb/ angle since the political backdrop of the 1980's was essential to the Movement that later came to be known as Cyberpunk.
Also I think there is a major difference between hiring corporate captains as opposed to their semi-disguised representatives/lobbyists. And that makes it different from all recent US governments.
In any case the underlying cause is the revolt of the people against the self declared elite whose lives and realities are now so far apart from the people they feel entitled to rule over that it just looks silly. We see this also in Europe where Brexit is just one of many effects of this. A series of disastrous opinion polls is another.
The Sup Forums here is to me only interesting to the extent it impacts the world I live in and a more corporate oriented leadership will again let tech evolve faster than regulators can keep up with, again since regulators are now being kicked out for overdosing on caffee latte.
I think we can already see this in the real world like in the UK where live experiments on human germ lines using CRISPR/Cas9 has already received permissions. I had expected this would drag out for decades but permissions are already here. The potentials here are astronomical.
There is a huge /sec/ side to this too. After all DNA is just another data storage medium, not just for blueprint but also running code like epigenetics. We will see CVEs for DNA within this generation.
Liam Baker
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Jace Rogers
This is the Sup Forumsternet project in a nutshell
Anthony Evans
it sure is a quiet day when this, of all things, is what generates most posts. I appreciate the bumps though.
Matthew Davis
Lad, I don't want 100k. In fact fun beats money ten of ten times, at least in the long run. I simply wanted some first hand insights about some fields to get a rough idea what is fun and what not. Don't be so pepe-esque.
Jayden Ramirez
Yeah sorry for the nocontent of my post, but it's too quiet here and I'm fucking bored. Right now I'm a configuring a raspi to have a remote shell with a friend, mostly for torrenting (he barely uses his internet, so he don't mind hosting for me, at the price of a beer). What is everyone doing now ?
Luke Bell
I am in the same position.
TO kick things off, why do so many ask about careers in help desk jobs when you can go Cyber Command? A trip to Wiki suggests the career options are varied.
Zachary Ward
Posting on Sup Forums, and you?
Ethan Moore
>everyone is a burgertard
Jose Reed
>help desk jobs It's actually comfy for the lazy type guy. Solving problems of dumb users is repetitive, while you can think of your own projects and still be paid for. Cyber Command sounds cool, but that would be a 24/7/365 job. Not sure I want to spend my life behind a computer.
Told you already >configuring a raspi to have a remote shell
Chase Mitchell
that reminds me. I wanted to configure one to use as an implant. On that topic; what does one use to manage such clients? Is there a RAT server that can handle custom clients well ?
Lucas Cooper
>use as an implant. Like what ? Stealth install in office/mcdonalds/school to have a backdoor there ? >what does one use to manage such clients Doesn't ssh work enough for you ? What do you need to with it ?
Gabriel Campbell
>Like what ? Stealth install in office/mcdonalds/school to have a backdoor there ? exactly. >managent I meant something like a C2. Are there any halfway decent FOSS ones? Don't want to reinvent the wheel. For the actual connection ssh is fine
Caleb Cruz
>everyone Nope, pic her has been flown earlier. There are several European countries with cyber warfare elements. Also most industrialised countries field electronic warfare groups.
>Cyber Command sounds cool, but that would be a 24/7/365 job. A lot of /sec/ jobs require monk like dedication. Expect a monastic lifestyle.
