If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Consider Vega 56 for a Freesync monitor >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580 if you want to overpay a little >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
reposting because I didn't realize the last thread was so far along:
anyone here tried / succeeded in installing windows 7 on coffeelake chips? looking for advice. I've done my research and it seems relatively simple. already have my bootable USB windows 7 with USB 3.0 / NVME drivers slipstreamed in. just waiting for my parts to get here
No, that would be a misconception at best. Many high-end gaming monitors are IPS.
Nolan Clark
>8600k >1070 >1080p 60hz >Mini card Are you retarded
Andrew Bailey
No one farms bitcoins with GPUs anymore
Evan Long
You need a 1070 to do ultra on the latest AAA games. 1060 6GB doesn't cut it anymore.
Jose Campbell
Uhh I'd say the contrary and that 4k medium usually looks better than 1080p ultra.
Ultra still looks shit in 1080p on most games because you have all those fucking jaggies. The anti aliasing with deferred renderers is SHIT.
multithread not multicore. It's Ryzen's SMT and such that's much better.
Get a 1050 over a 960. No it's not worth it. Not even worth $60. And hell I'd even recommend a 1050Ti over a 970. Even though on average the 970 is faster, there are times where the 970 shits the bed and is worse while costing more.
Best call, imo, for this situation is to wait a few months for the desktop version of the Ryzen 2700U, and then once GPUs are actually affordable to upgrade then. The graphics perf should be close to 50% higher than the mobile version (10% more CUs, and 30-45% higher clocks), and obviously higher base clocks on the CPU, plus the benefits of single CCX.
Win10 is honestly better in most ways. Other than the start menu bug and the spyware (which win7 also has), it works well.
They used to be due to lower response times and ghosting. Newer IPS are very good.
Adrian Taylor
not as retarded as your comment
Josiah Parker
Ultra looks no different than "very-high" or equivalent setting on pretty much every game. Ultra just makes the game run worse, not look better.
1060 6GB or RX570 are all you need for 1080p.
Aaron Murphy
get an 8400 nh-d15 cooler get 3200 RAM HD is small but if you don't need it bigger then it's whatever 1070 shouldn't be a mini and zotac is probably the lowest brand keyboard and monitor are pretty shitty
Ian Reed
If you overclock a 1060 6GB there may be a couple games where you have to turn down a couple settings that barely make it look better and rape your card The 1070 is way overkill, and so is the 8600k when anything with 6 cores will fet you to 60 fps without stutter. Mini cards are also noisy and don't overclock well.
Not to mention you put a fucking mITX board in an ATX case what the fuck
Evan Lee
Thank you for actual constructive criticism. I know the monitor and keyboard are pretty low end, but that only because I don't really care to much about that. and 8400 is amazing for its pricing, and I have been considering it. Thank you for the cooler and RAM advice
Hudson Brooks
Is an R7 1800 and an 1080Ti a retarded build to do?
Aiden Morgan
Whats a good mobo to go with an i5 8600k? Upgrading from an i5 3570k. Don't need anything too fancy like built in wifi. Would like to be able to overclock.
Lucas Baker
not rlly I would buy a more high end gpu bc ryzens aren't as good in gaming performance
Hudson Murphy
The 1800x is not worth over the 1700 unless you can get it for below $350. Yes, it would be a good build.
Brody Green
Nope.
He is never going to bottleneck his CPU before his GPU provided he is playing at the adequate res a 1080ti can do (1440p above 60fps or 4k)
Ian Hughes
Its fine, bc ryzens are not as good for gaming, but I would buy a 1070 ti
Xavier Turner
Learn to spell. Ryzens don't perform as well in games, but they do come close. If it's a 4k setup then Ryzen performs identically to Coffee Lake because of a GPU bottleneck.
Nathan Fisher
Is this true?
Dominic Foster
Gigabyte AORUS
Michael Turner
Newegg is currently selling the 1800x for $320, and I have been really wanting to build a new computer for a while now.
Isaac Ross
So with the whole Ryzen vs Coffee Lake debate, what are the pros and cons of each one, and what tasks are they best suited for?
Luke Torres
if there is one thing reddit is good for its r/intel and amd having detailed lists of both companies own failings and espionage
Mason Rogers
yin short, es, but the guy writing is stupid if he things Intel is the demon incarnate and thinking amd is gods saving grace on earth, going amd will not necessarily make things 'better' they are both companies and I will bet my left nut that if amd was in intel's position they would do the exact same thing.
Carson Kelly
I did it before but I can't seem to get a successful run of windows on my PC. Why am I turning retarded? If I don't find a copy of win 10 with an activator (or regardless) do I need to use a separate activator when offline? I always have the internet go out within half an our because of DNS connection errors
Jordan Parker
Yes. But AMD isn't the saint saving us from intel either.
Henry Butler
Just go buy a gray market key for 25 dollars if you are so retarded. Otherwise use the correct activator.
Justin Myers
np, the monitor and keyboard are low end and it'll cost you a lot to have a low end monitor if you're getting a 1070 it's really a waste. get a 1440p monitor or a 1060 6GB if you're only going for decent 1080p gaming and not trying to go on ultra. as for a keyboard, go get a razer blackwidow ultimate stealth open box or something off amazon for $50 if you can and you'll have it last much longer 8400 is amazing but it's almost impossible to find it in stock so you'll likely need to try to preorder it on amazon or something and be prepared to wait until after new years to get it.
Jaxson Scott
wish the fucking fanboyism on either side would go away. They're both just competitors that want our money and we should support the one that gives the objectively best options for our uses at the given time. I'm glad AMD are back in the cpu game because its good for consumers, but it isn't so out of altruism.
Evan Kelly
Yes, AMD got over a billion dollars from them because of unfair competition like that. The Ryzen 1200 and 1400 compete with the 8100, and the 12000 matches it while the 1400 wins by a bit in multicore because of SMT. The 8400 has an edge on the 1600 in single-core, but also loses in multicore because the 1600 has SMT. The 8600k beats all of Ryzen 7 in single-core by a clear margin, but also loses in multicore by the same amount. The 8700k also beats them by a clear margin in single core but matches them in multicore.
Landon Fisher
They are back in the CPU game but completely out of the GPU game. And while Nvidia are a bunch of cunts, they aren't as shady as intel so people aren't so inclined to support AMD over Nvidia for moral high ground. Which isn't good for us.
Angel Howard
I'm planning on building a computer for an MS in CS program where I'll be specializing in machine learning. I expect they'll give me AWS/university cluster time when I need it, but for home use wha't the best performing card for this under $300 with decent Linux support? Should I be looking at things more powerful than a 1600 for graduate level CS coursework? Also what hardware should I be targeting for running a couple VMs at once? RAM?
Less important: has anyone switched from multiple monitors to one ~40 inch 4k? I've been thinking of doing it so I'm not tempted to have non-work on side screens.
Landon Myers
Vega would have been a great move by AMD, but because of crypto mining nobody acrually got to buy it. The power consumption is also pretty damn high.
Nathan Edwards
Drop to i5 8400 and 6GB 1060 or get a 144Hz monitor Get fast RAM Get the 850 in the m.2 form factor
>jaggies Shimmer is the bane of my gaming existence. Honestly not sure what I have to do to get rid of it. Even cranking up AA is unsatisfactory
If you're at 1440p 144Hz it's fine although I'd get a Coffee Lake CPU at that budget unless you just want to support AMD (which is fine since the 1800x has come down in price and AMD is cool)
Too much to explain here
R3 1200 is below i3 8100 R5 1400 is above or below the i3, depending on game. Mostly below.
Luke Ramirez
I just finished my new build and shoved every old HDD i've owned in there because the case is gigantic
How do I know if an old drive is reliable or not? Some of them are a bit slower than the others and i'll work towards replacing them with new drives soon, but is there a tool to measure how close to failure/worn out a drive is? I don't remember the order that I bought them in or exactly how old they all are
Josiah Adams
People would buy it if there was stock available. But there is a shortage on reference cards and AIB cards aren't on sale yet and it is about to be December already. Vega clearly shat the bed for multiple reasons, cryto mining only being one of them.
Bentley Morris
Vega would still be a competitive option even with the raised prices if they just had some non-jet engine cards out. The cost of high end freesync monitors is significantly less than gsync. I really took a long time to decide between it and a 1080 myself. Remember the US isn't the only market in the world, and in many euro cunts + aus I know that vega even now is a very good option if it weren't for the noise/temps.
Evan Johnson
>>G4560/G4600
Carson Lopez
Yeah. It is called S.M.A.R.T. Go look it up.
Grayson Richardson
The 1200 can overclock to match the 8100. Granted, you need a mid-range cooler, but that's still less in total because the 1200 and B350 cost less than the 8100 and Z370 by a significant margin.
Daniel Ross
exactly, though as much as I have been an intel supporter, I appreciate amd's existence as well because... competition. and I just want there to be real technological gains in the cpu market from both sides, no matter who I or you root for, we all win in the end and thats what matters
Jonathan Robinson
get crystal disk info and check every disk
Henry Jones
At this point in time you are better off waiting for volta or the AMD refresh.
Ryder Diaz
Just run an internet search on HDD health.
>The power consumption is also pretty damn high As usual. I've heard it speculated that AMD can't separate its gaming and professional/compute chips, but I don't really believe it.
>The 1200 can overclock to match the 8100 Not in games, at least that I've seen. 7z decompression, yeah.
Asher Bennett
> True, thank you again for the advice, but the 8400 is not nearly as rare as an 8600k and 8700k, still im glad people went and bought the cpu's, as long as we dont end up with another kaby lake. I think Newegg still has them in stock
Caleb Diaz
I got a 1080 for $180 kangaroos less than Aus prices on black friday so I'm happy. I combined it with a good x370 board and a 1600x (which I also got on sale) so that next year if the new lines blow it all out of the water I can swap in Ryzen 2 + volta. For now, coming from a 13" laptop I've used for 4 years, I think its safe to say I will be satisfied with what I have.
Cameron Phillips
Damn right. Nice little chip.
Isaiah Gonzalez
About the 1200, it performs a couple percentage point worse when using a 1080 or 1080ti, but realistically you wouldn't be using anything more expensive than a 1060 6GB, and that's pushing it. The difference would likely cease to exist.
Christopher Morris
>D15 for a locked chip That's way overkill
Nathan James
Will RAM ever get cheaper?
Don't want to spend $100 for just 8 GB! Literally $12 per gig of rams.
Ethan Green
Not anytime soon Prices will only rise
Isaiah Thomas
nope. not until someone does what needs to be done and holds the Samsung and SK Hynix exec's Korean daughters hostage
Jaxon Murphy
as long as they get culturally enriched also someone could also just make a shit ton of money by offering an alternative product to expand the supply. Same thing with GPUs. But I guess manufacturing is slow to respond to the need for more marginal production.
Jackson Thomas
>have to personally message seller about sending package because seller actually hasn't even sent package even though it's already 3 days after the latest estimated received time
Matthew Torres
Those Koreans own patents for practically every part of the process and current technologies. Even without considering costs for entry, its practically impossible for a competitors to magically appear now. The only way prices will go down is if people stop buying RAM on mass, and that's not just enthusiasts like us, that's mobile phone producers, large scale office computing suppliers and so on. In other words, its only going up.
Oliver Russell
>But I guess manufacturing is slow to respond to the need for more marginal production. Because the last time this happened, everyone's hand got bit when the demand stopped.
Hudson Williams
So I'm thinking of going from:
i5-3450 DDR3 Evo 250gb boot
To:
Either an 8400(maybe higher) or an R5 1600(again, maybe higher) DDR4 2400 M.2 NVMe boot
Will I have a noticeable enough difference in general PC performance for the price it will cost? Am I doing this right? Priorities: 3D modeling & gaming.
Eli Martinez
>NVMe but only DDR4-2400 Unless it helps with your modeling it isn't worth it
Evan Thomas
How long is first post usually? I think I have everything hooked up properly but nothing is happening
Kevin Morgan
If you aren't going into BIOS then you don't have everything hooked up correctly.
Brayden Lewis
>Nothing is happening You fans should spin. If your fans aren't spinning, you fucked something up. Turn on the switch at the back of the PSU.
Alexander Reed
Make sure you didn't double plug anything. Had that happen when setting up my case.
Parker Jones
i upgraded like a week ago to a ryzen 1200, from a stock clocked fx 6300, and i just wanted to say FUCK FX what a piece of dog shit that was. anyone here on Sup Forums saying its still a capable cpu for anything is fucking delusional
Luis Jenkins
Reposting cause no one answered last thread: I'm filling out my mail-in rebates. When it asks for "order/invoice number", which one do I put? Either one? I ordered from Newegg so I have both an order number and an invoice number.
Jaxon Sanders
I do the invoice number.
Colton Flores
Fans spinning, gfx card on, CPU fan running, can hear drives boot up, front panel works. Yet no signal on the monitors. I've tried HDMI from Mobo and from gfx card, nothing. No beep signals either
Jonathan Reyes
What ram should I be aiming for with an NVMe boot then? Honestly I find DDR4 very confusing.
William Nguyen
Trying to pick out an HDD but every fucking review for the WD and Seagate drives have me worried I'll end up with a really loud drive. What's the quietest HDD out there that's still 7200rpm?
Colton Young
only people who got shit hdd's bother leaving reviews, take reviews with a pinch of salt
Connor Thomas
You plugged into your GPU? Make sure you are not plugged into your mobo instead
is it even possible to build a PC for gaming at a budget of 500 USA dollars? I don't need peripherals and I already have a case.
Xavier Robinson
when this happened to me I had to re-seat all the hard drives
Gavin Wood
I'm saying that NVMe usually gives you less of a benefit than faster RAM does.
Nathaniel Bailey
I kek'd hard at that gif.
John Anderson
this get a low profile/cheaper cooler D15 is for the overclocking ignore this advice if you live in a place that gets to 30 C regularly and have no air conditioning
Xavier Cox
At $320, yeah get the 1800X.
Pro of Ryzen is that it's much more power efficient, and the platform has more longevity (Intel only keeps socket compatibility for 18-24 months or so. AMD 48+ months) Benefit of Intel is that sometimes the platform features are a bit more mature, and single core speeds are higher at most given price points, but the platform itself is more expensive both long and short term.
>Shimmer is the bane of my gaming existence There is Virtual Super Resolution (AMD) and Dynamic Super Resolution (nVidia) but they don't work for all games. Best thing is to just have a higher resolution monitor with higher DPI.
Agreed. Now is a shit time to buy a GPU for many reasons. All the GPUs cost too much and they're very underpowered for 4K.
I tried to talk my friend into just waiting a bit for the desktop version of the 2700U and to upgrade to a better GPU later, but he couldn't wait. Oh well.
Considering you could get an FX CPU plus motherboard all for $70-$90, it was okay at that price. And they didn't have spyware backdoor ARM processor on the chip.
For stock, most anything that has VRM heatsinks is fine. Unless it's only 4 phase VRMs. Stay away from MSI because BIOS is awful, though. Gigabyte K5 is fine. ASRock Pro4 is fine. ASUS PRIME is fine. Lots of fine boards.
Might be able to get an R3 1200, 1050Ti, and 256GB SSD for that budget if you watch for sales. Might be closer to $600, though...
Kevin Morgan
Depends on what you want to do. The Taichi is a good board, but you may not use all of the features. Do you still need to buy storage?
Charles Torres
So DDR4 means the NVMe transfer speeds won't make a difference? Under what circumstance is NVMe even relevant then?
Isaac Jones
Let's put it this way? How much do you benefit from NVMe?
Julian Lopez
Do you or anyone know when the Volta will come out? I want to wait but I'll have all my other parts by mid December and I don't want to wait 6 months after already waiting so long or my first build.
Blake Peterson
For $523, this is as low as you can go while still retaining value of custom building. pcpartpicker.com/list/w4m87h
Ayden Lewis
Yeah. Honestly I need a case and a new mouse too. I've read too much shit about 1050 cards and I think I will be better off waiting until I have about a grand before I do anything that I'll regret
Jonathan Baker
Do we know if next gen of intel cpus will be compatible with these z370 boards?
I'd buy one if I knew I have some future proof to just upgrade the cpu
Jaxon Robinson
nope. Just for this gen
Jack Gomez
Please be true, Now we just need people to stop overpaying.
Easton Miller
pcpartpicker.com/list/6hxYVY Thoughts? First time building and looking for pointers and if there any necessary changes. Priority is mostly gaming and I'm wondering if this is okay.
Isaiah Lee
>mini itx board >atx case
Kayden Myers
Should the PSU be connected to the Mobo via the ATX12V1? Or is it fine the way I have it? Pls help
Blake Johnson
They farm alt coins like Eth with GPUs. No one farms Bitcoins anymore except with customized hardwares and the chinas have the biggest farms.
Christian Campbell
How do I turn on Ryzen precision boost on ASUS bios? Will there be a big jump in temps if I do this?
Xavier Morales
Oh you are talking about Bitcoin specifically, I took it as Cryptos as a whole.
Joshua Stewart
Is it never worth getting an X or K series CPU unless you plan on overclocking?
Carter Lopez
It's fine the way you have it. If it doesn't work, you probably have a bad CPU.
Gabriel Gutierrez
When people say Bitcoin, they normally mean Bitcoin.
