### Sup Forumsternet - Seriously get on the IRC and start building edition ###
Mark yourself on the map with your contact info (can be a cock.li throwaway if you don't want to dox yourself) zeemaps.com/map?group=2787145
IRC (SSL): irc.jollo.org:9999 #gternet Wiki: mesh.gentoo.today Git: git dot jollo dot org/gternet Last thread: What is Sup Forumsternet? Sup Forumsternet would be our own decentralized p2p network running on our own infrastructure, totally disconnected from the clearnet. It will be a combination of DIY meshnets on a city wide basis, and a platform for interconnecting these city wide meshnets over p2p openvpn bridges and high powered wireless dishes for City to City relays. The Inter-Meshnet part of the project will allow any existing DIY meshnets to join our network by adding a bridge node or a city to city relay.
-The short term goal is to have a few anons set up their own local meshnet and link them together using the bridges as a proof of concept. -A long term goal is gain a large enough user density that we can disable the brige nodes and have our own decentralized network idependent of the internet.
Currently for the local and city wide meshnets we're going to use batman-adv. For the p2p internet bridges we are going to use a trust based system of key exchanges, mostly done by direct contact between node operators The network will use IPv6 throughout, we have an issue on our git that you can vote on (after registering) to determine the address space we will use. On git you will find scripts to help automatically deploy openvpn intermesh bridges, and batman meshnets.
This project is almost two weeks old, so we need all the expertise and help we can get. Every contribution is valuable! Gather a group of friends and join the IRC and wiki.
Currently under development: - A tool called geternet-cli that will tie all the deployment scripts together into one place. (knots) - A hash based system to assign addresses across a decentralized network (cat is looking for more input on this; if you have any comments/questions direct them towards him in irc). - A simple GUI for those inexperienced with the linux command line.
To Do: - decide on hardware standards for City to City relays - create resources for newbies on the wiki - gather more people - start building internet bridges for the intermesh connections (Linux Sysadmin tier) - start designing diy kits for meshnet end users (Should be newbie-midlevel friendly tier) - look into croundfunding options for purchasing city to city relay backbone equipment (Richfag tier)
Things NOT To Do: - Talk about logos - Talk about names
Cameron Moore
Just a reminder- once you have access to the gitlab project you don't need access on a repo basis
Nicholas Sullivan
Network architecture diagram
Luke Brown
output of:
sudo batctl o
after using mesh setup script on 3 devices
Logan Bailey
whoops wrong one, i dont seem to have the one from the previous thread saved all well you get the idea
Camden Johnson
Anyone wanna give a newbie the rundown of what we got going so far? We using VPN? How secure is this? Etc?
Nathan Morgan
what about laying wires or hijacking some existing infrastructure?
Justin Brooks
Basically you set up your distribution point using a BATMAN script that was put up on the gitlab site, run the network distribution software, and throw on an AP to the network.
The said server uses a OpenVPN to join the current mesh network infrastructure.
Then throw yourself on the map that is in the wiki, hangout in the IRC with us and give your input on how internet v2 should be made.
Things being decided:
1. DNS servers - centralized or distributed hashtables? 1. How do we make it easy for mainstream to get involved? 1. how do we keep a single admin from poluting the network? An aged version of this is comcast or Verizon in the US (gone from a single businessman to a large single ownership).
Austin Reyes
Hey everyone!
We are making a lot of progress very quickly, and its getting more exciting every day. The deeper we get, the more we seem to be onto something really cool. Here are some updates for tonight from my end so far:
the progress on gternet-cli is going much faster than I expected. I am going to open it for testing by all of you now. Spin up your box and switch to the root user and make sure you are in the /root directory mkdir git apt update && apt upgrade -y apt install -y git git clone git.jollo.org/gternet/software/gternet-cli.git cd gternet-cli **use this command to deploy an Openvpn p2p Intermesh node** ./gternet-cli deploy netbridge **use this command to deploy batman on any mesh device** ./gternet-cli deploy mesh
All of this will be up on the wiki at some point soon I will also begin reviewing and accepting merge requests.
Isaiah Turner
Yeah man, that's great and all...but I don't want you going to jail over wrecking some corporate lawfirms fiber lines.
Carter Carter
Can someone tell me how these inter city links work? 5ghz line of sight things? What's the speed on this thing? So total speed = speed of this los thing / no of people interconnecting between the cities? Won't that get slow real soon?
Justin Lee
Latency would improve as more nodes are available to connect to, there wouldn't be just a single node between cities, but as many as possible.
Easton Cruz
New to programming When do you use C vs shell files?
Ayden Wood
Don't run this on a computer with sensitive info
Jackson Allen
I know i'm not in the IRC yet but i feel compelled to answer questions 1 nd 3 with one word: Decentralized. Throughout history, centraization has led to lots of strife. By decentralising we make it hard for any 1 person to take control of the entire system.
As for making it mainstream, that jsut requires offering an alternative wehn whit hits the fan with unfair network operations and charges. If we decentralize the system, we can go door o door and offer soon-to-be customers the alternative and (possibly) free Sup Forumsternet, which they will take when it comes cheaper and provides more then paying 100$ for 10mbps. The problem with selling it is we could end up ike verison down the road (and fuck that) so the real question now is how we should model our small global startups bussiness wise to ensure profit so we can continue to spread it, while avoiding the inevitable corruption that comes with that. Part of this corperate spread scheme involves advertising up the wazoo and bribing local politicians (politics, amirite?). As far as i am aware it is the only tried and true method to get this to the masses.
As for distribution of the product, we will need to figure how to connect this to the net while it's fragmented?
More questions: - How fast is this net compared to the oldnet? - Is it scalable (as in, with increasing users, how will it handle the load)? - How does it distribute data? - How do we plan on expanding? - When the expansion inevitably leads to trouble with corporate behemoths (like verizon or telus) gettign involved, how will we be able to combat their mafia-like aggressive corporate tactics? - Is the network centralized? - How would we go about profiting from a decentralized network? Normies are easy to profit off of regardless so i'm sure we can keep decentralized and still make some sweet, sweet ca$h. - etc?
Parker Hughes
all the code is available in the repository for you to review. It is open source af.
Adam Martin
the map is a bit worrying, won't that oust our location and make us easy targets? Would it be fine if a gave the general postal code (like V5B 2A2 for example)?
Brayden Murphy
It looks like most people are just putting in cities, which is OK
Jacob Smith
oldnet shill
Lucas Ross
uhhh opening a vpn in my SOHO network would open up my LAN to you, no? That doesnt seem smart
Angel Sullivan
Yeah that seems pretty good.
Brody Watson
So open scripts/p2p_deploy_node.sh Go down to the main function near the bottom. Comment out the call to set_iptables. There. You can run the scrip without forcing the placeholder iptabes rules. I will modofy gternet-cli to allow being more configurable tomorrow. Thanks for the input!
Charles Robinson
I also should have more explicitly stated in my post that this is DEV only and is intended to be run on a fresh install, new vm instance, or new raspberri pi
Nathaniel Adams
just checked the map again. Why and how in the fuck is there a NoKo (North Korean) in our network? WTF?
Is it jsut a fun-poster or is this real?
Matthew Ramirez
I created over 20 entries Go figure
Christian Kelly
What a masterful troll
Daniel Parker
b-b-bumpaaaaaaRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~
Ryder Anderson
Byampuruuuu~
Isaac Sanchez
This seems vulnerable to attack. How exactly would you boot some wiseguy connecting to multiple points in the mesh and conducting a DDOS?
Jackson Sullivan
So how do I host a service on this? Are there domains I can get?
Jose Reed
Piratebox can mesh, what about that?
Dominic Morgan
IRC appears to be trying to address this from what i can understand. That dude cat on IRC is trying tobdo some shit woth hashes to get domain names.
From what i can tell as an IRC lurker, seems that they are still trying to proof of concept the netowk. At least thats what knots keeps saying. They have madeba shitload of progress for the two week mark, but there is still a ways to go before we can send memes to eachother via gternet. Ill keep purking and once its noob friendly ill try and use the gui thing or something.
Nolan Ramirez
right now OpenNIC seems like best bet for dns
Daniel Price
bump
Blake Sullivan
Namecoin
Aaron Garcia
Unlike netrunner this general existed for 2 weeks Rip, you will be missed next week. NOT!
Gabriel Wilson
i guess you would rather shill jew products than try to create your own
Charles Ross
>people with almost zero knowledge about networking, data transmission, or even simple programming discuss logo and name of their future replacement of one of the most intricate and hard network (internet) the tread.
Caleb Wilson
>people with almost zero knowledge about networking, data transmission, or even simple programming skills whatsoever discuss logo and name of their future replacement of one of the most intricate and hard network (internet) the tread.
Jonathan Carter
can you start making sense and contributing, or just gtfo
John Morgan
Is this the appropriate topology for a network segment?
William Gomez
What do you think about the logo I made? I took the liberty to give it a name also
Brayden Lee
I can't even fucking........ I'm just glad you didn't name it localhost you fuckhead
Colton Bell
Is there some kind of new software being developed? Orrrr is this just a theoretical thing?
Hunter Sanders
>keknet It's happening!
Wyatt Taylor
See
Justin Garcia
Bumpo
Noah Roberts
The oldnet shills are here
Josiah Ramirez
Morning Sup Forums
Im tearing down gternet-cli right now to have some improvments i described last night >63712548
Everyone should hold off on using >63711988 until i can commit gternet-cli alpha v0.2 later today.
Isaac Robinson
This might be a retarded idea, but would a block chain IP distribution system work for decentralized IPs? I'm not super familiar with block chains past the absolute basics so I'm not sure if this would work.
Landon Thompson
I've mostly been using it since this started so I figure I should update everyone on my progress.
Met with a local maker space and got them onboard. I couldn't get them onboard with the p2p option, they only want physical links
Looked into 900mhz equipment. It look promising, better range. However it's roughly 2x the price of 2.4ghz equipment.
Started work on a website last night. The goal being for users to add themselves to the map and have it automatically find the closest node, calculate line of sight, and make hardware suggestions.
>Inb4 Reddit spacing It's call formating things so that they are easy to read.
Juan Parker
It=irc Phone posting from work.
Aaron Nguyen
this new Tamagotchi version even have infraorange
John Sullivan
>The goal being for users to add themselves to the map and have it automatically find the closest node This is cool, but I guess most anons wouldn't want to pinpoint their precise location, see but probably it would work if you shill it in real life, placing it on your city free announcement boards, school halls, mc donald's bathroom, car windshields etc..
Adrian Peterson
Exactly. We should all start trying to spread it locally as much as we can I went into NYC last saturday and met with one of the dudes involved in a meshnet project in brooklyn. They have a functioning mesh that covers around 10 city blocks right now. They are using it for secure messaging and emergency alerts. He said that once we have a network setup then he will push them to add a p2p bridge or two. I also spoke with my boss at the Uni i nix admin at, he thought it was a super cool project and will try to get the university to donate any older wireless equipment they were going to send for recycling anyway. Im looking at potentially getting up to 50 or 60 high powered cisco APs to fuck with and potentially use to prototype a more solid city wide network here in my home town
Austin Howard
I just found this airlink.ubnt.com/#/ptp Not as user friendly and only for ubiquiti products, but a good stand in for now
Aiden Ross
Also I was learned from the maker people that Batman sucks for directional links. So what they suggested doing was setting the it up as a normal bridge and then have that feed into a mesh node. It's not a huge deal because you would have to coordinate to set up a directional link anyway.
Jace Hill
LOL you people just now found this?
Everyone should use this tool and find out just how retarded they are. Protip: the literal earth itself will be in your way for most cases past 40 miles. And I'd recommend that you don't exceed 15 miles with 5ghz.
Jordan Stewart
5ghz sucks in all cases anyway
Luke Hernandez
>Protip: the literal earth itself will be in your way for most cases past 40 miles.
this has been discussed at length in irc
James Davis
Tbh I don't even know how long this project has been going for, but I've been using ubiquiti gear for a couple of years, and use airlink all the time
Lincoln Stewart
what kind of equipment are you using ? How much distance does it cover ? Are you in good los or are there obstacles, if so, what kind of (vegetation, houses, buildings..) ?
Isaiah Bailey
We've only been going for about 2 weeks so there's plenty you could contribute. Hop into irc and say hi!
Most of my experience comes from working for a wisp. They used rocket M5 international radios for most links under 5 miles. They also used some nanobeam radios for short sub 500m links or for mile links with no interference. For long links or for high interference, we used rocket m365 radios, but those now have to be registered. The longest link is believed was 14 miles, and it wasn't very reliable. You absolutely must have LOS. Not only that, you need to have clearance for your fresnel zone radius. You can maybe have some trees covering up to half of each fresnel zone, but the line of sight must be completely free of obstruction at all times.
I'm personally in the process of building a link between my house on a ranch and a town. It's going to have a 32Km link at the longest, but it's going up 1200ft in elevation. It looks good on paper, but it's damn long.
I may, but I think my IRC client was on a server that died a while ago.
Tyler Perry
You're exactly what this project needs. We have no hardware guys atm
Dominic Gutierrez
Decentralized systems will always be toys.
Bentley Morgan
Do you have any ideas for a mascot? Or a logo? I've got a friend who draws real good.
Chase Mitchell
I want to call it "the people's internet of Sup Forums" just to put the Sup Forumss in a fluff
Thomas Ross
Read
Jack Kelly
thank you for your invaluable input
Jeremiah Foster
You'd be better off turning cellphones into P2P nodes by using the bands that are unused in America meant for overseas to communicate with each other. Trying to setup a "mesh network" across the country using cheap wireless 2.4 and 5GHz is going to be futile and slower than the slowest satellite internet.
Bentley Miller
Mesh is local my friend, there's a wired backbone
Grayson Miller
>turning cellphones into P2P nodes That's what the MEGA guy is planning to do. I think he said in ~5 years smartphones will be powerful enough to make it happen.
Ryder Cooper
Oh really, you're going to run a wired backbone across the country? With your neetbux?
Phones are powerful enough to do it now. The issue is with many phones being locked down, deployment is nearly impossible
Jack Barnes
Right but the problem I'm seeing is that you may be able to cover most of a city with enough nodes, but that's about it. I've never done a mesh net, but I've got a few ideas for a personal project using one. I just can't see city to city connections at minimum though unless you have a geographic advantage. There's just no way to stay off the www. Yall need a satellite.
Hudson Hernandez
There are existing enthusiast fiber systems out there. Not to mention that we're using the internet as a backbone until we can get peered with other alternets
Matthew Barnes
Not if you're using 1850-1990 Mhz band
Jacob Perry
mon ami , to expand on my previous comment, We will lease the existing backbone Access to the backbone will be completely decentralized with an ICO The ICO proceeds will pay the lease We had an user three threads ago who said his cousin knew someone in OneWeb. So we could launch a satellite if this takes off.
Jeremiah Anderson
lmao launching a satellite costs millions and months to plan. Knowing a guy who works there doesn't equate to free satellite
Luke Adams
So OneWeb already has launch contracts for network satellites with ULA and Blue Origin. We just need to buy a couple. The ICO will fund the costs. We have to start planning big league. Humans will be on Mars in a decade, so we can get another satellite to connect to Mars. My cousin works for AT&T so I'll ask him more about that The best part? Even if it spans planets it will still be net neutral. That's the power of decentralization!
Liam Thompson
>alt Don't use that word please, makes us associate with alt right
Jonathan Williams
How many satellites? I could fund one. I have lots of bitcoins from 2012
Anthony Johnson
so basically you are just making a hyperboria ripoff except it has a cool logo and is affiliated with Sup Forums so the risk of law intervention grows just why?
Carson Adams
One should do all of north America.
Alternatively, we can do this for way less money That is a balloon
Levi Foster
Nobody said it would be easy. Obviously we are not going to get to another city in one hop. It's going to take major coordination and a good bit of luck if it happens at all. There is a reason there has never been a city to city mesh connection in the US. I think this is the greatest thing we could hope to achieve.
Daniel Ross
Like this project needs optimists and all, but god damn.
Jace Murphy
You can have her draw a crescent moon or a moon man look alike.
James Cruz
I approve the balloon. This also looks cool.
Camden Martin
Oops wrong thread
Nicholas Watson
So what's wrong with a point to point microwave link? Line of sight i guess. might work in flat cities. or if someone lives on high elevation. The microwave link is also affected by rain.
Julian Russell
Just a quick survey - How much are willing to spend on this personally?
Eli Bailey
depends, I won't be spending much right now because I couldn't contribute that much because >talking to other people
Jaxon Reed
There is nothing wrong with it. It's just expensive.
Ian Allen
I'm not taking crowd sourcing. I'm asking how much will you spend on yourself