NEW RYZEN HITTING 5.1GHZ BOOST HAHAHAHAH INTEL BTFO HOW'S YOUR GAY POOLAKE NOW ?

NEW RYZEN HITTING 5.1GHZ BOOST HAHAHAHAH INTEL BTFO HOW'S YOUR GAY POOLAKE NOW ?

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I guess you can say.. that the performance.. of amd... has ryzen to extreme levels..

Good one user.

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5.1GHz at Sandy Bridge IPC is not very impressive

this

AMD toilet-worshippers are getting desperate

>speculations
>"""""leaks""""
kys

I don't really know why people still say this considering it wasn't even true on day 1.

Since when it Haswell ipc the same as sandy bridge?

They only need a 10% ipc boost and clock speed boost to btfo Intel again

except ryzen IPC is better than skylake

>Sandy Bridge IPC
hahaha you fucking retard. It's haswell/broadwell IPC. Only 3-6% behind coffee lake. If you get the memory over 3200mhz it actually has better IPC than skylake, retard

PST WHEN?!

Why are you guys so defensive about this? Even if Ryzen 2 hits 5.2GHz it would be another FX9590 housefire.

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It's not being defensive, it's just living in reality as opposed to your mother's basement.

No mutli anymore? user did proofread his slides.

So first they sold ryzen 3/5/and 7. Then 9. and now 2?

what the actual fuck

Well if it's true I'd hate myself for ever buying a 1700X

sandy bridge ipc

found the thread
boards.Sup Forums.org/g/thread/63603363/

>12 cores on desktop processor.
So how much cores will we see in threadripper 2? 16?

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If it maintains the same core count per die setup as current threadripper, up to 24c.

Mutley threading

EBYN 2 :DDDDDD

48C per processor. 96 per 2P system. How does 192 threads per system sound?

>mfw mobo and CPU shit itself last month and bought Zen
Holy shit, I didn't except this much of a boost. They even upped the already great core count. Zen is already great but this Zen(2 or +?) will rip Intel a new asshole. Guess I'm either upgrading in a few months or just waiting for 7nm Zen.

so this ryzen + is the refresh they're going release in 2018 ? or the true ZEN 2 going out in 2019 ?

Isn't this fake? I thought Zen+ was just a die shrink, enabling higher clocks on the exisitng Ryzen line.

Its the node change most likely. The current node doesn't allow for super high clocks which is why voltage really takes off after 3.3ghz and most Ryzen and threadripper chips top out within the 3.9 to 4.1 range.

>12 cores
>24 threads
>5ghz

This would be amazing, but it's literally unbelievable. At best, assuming it's If not a house fire, you'd need a nuclear power station to power it.

Probably fake. I doubt you could get that without a housefire.

The slide is fake.
Zen+ is a better node plus probably different SRAM lib and design rules due to it being a client-only die.
Don't expect any more cores, but clocks...

Avoiding a housefire is as simple as soldering the die to the IHS and having proper cooling. 5.1GHz is unbelievable though, that sounds like a straight up miracle so I very much doubt it's true.

Hey another hardware engineer.

*brofist*

How much higher clocks are we talking?

Guys, AMD already has a 12-core part. They could absolutely release a mainstream 12-core. Did you forget what IF does?

The 2018 refresh will see a meagre 200-400 Mhz base clock boost and better memory compatibility. Nothing else.

>damage control this far ahead
lmao

Depends on the workload. In some cases Ryzen's straight up 30% better. But gets its ass kicked when AVX or AVX2 are involved

>Did you forget what IF does?
Eh, it's a protocol.
So what?
A lot more clocks.
Also housefires, but who cares anyway?
Current Zeppelin (ZP-B1/B2) is 14LPP with HD libs (78/9T).
PR (probably ZP-C0/C1) will be 12LP with 9T HP or even 10.5T UHP libs.

>gets kicked on avx2

so basicly 99% of the times ryzen clock to clock is faster since no one uses avx2 for anything relevant what so ever

Okay, now what is that in MIPS?

>Eh, it's a protocol.
... IF is an MCM technology. It means that AMD doesn't have to change ANYTHING about the Zen architecture and could release a 12 core Ryzen part. There are two limiting factors for how many cores AMD can put on the mainstream Ryzen parts: 1) TDP and 2) cost.

For TDP, AMD has 30W of play before they get back to 125W, which has been the target for their high end mainstream parts for quite a while. AMD has even gone as high as 140W for mainstream parts in the past, so TDP really isn't an issue. As for cost, we're talking about a smaller node, which means more complex chips at the same cost. Maybe only marginally, but AMD also has a very mature 14nm node to lean on for profitability in the server space while they claw back their reputation in the consumer space.

tl;dr, if your only supporting argument for saying that AMD won't release 12 core Ryzen parts is that they're not redesigning the architecture, you haven't been paying attention at all.

Nope, you're oversimplifying things.

No, They are shrinking the process. Which always improve temperatures, and even the current Ryzen is not limited by temperature, but a lot ofther things.

When that is said, i believe this is fake. That much IPC and Clock gain, is not gained by a simple die shrink, but a redesign. Which this isn't.

I believe it's fake but it's not unheard of that a CPU was released with features missing or disabled because they weren't ready in time or had stability, security and errata issues.
Actually Vega is a good example, Intel's Skylake-X also has some features it should have disabled, likewise the only really known disabled feature of the current Ryzen we know is the LDO and the PCIe lanes(probably more due to pins and motherboard design than stability)

Obvious fake, what they're releasing on February is Zen+, which is just a process improvement. It will most likely have better clocks, but I highly doubt they will increase core counts. Zen2 is coming late 2018/early 2019 and it's 7nm.

People were saying the exact same thing about Threadripper.

>... IF is an MCM technology.
What were Magny-Cours/Interlagos/Abu Dabi?
>could release a 12 core Ryzen part
New die, many manhours; not worth it.
>tl;dr, if your only supporting argument for saying that AMD won't release 12 core Ryzen parts is that they're not redesigning the architecture
They are not going to waste time making a new 12core die.

Wheelchair CPU architects, shut the fuck up, do you have any idea how old CPU architectures we were looking at before Ryzen hit? Check when Pentium M was released, that should tell you, in what sane mind are you putting something mint new with obvious bottlenecks and comparing it something old as shit? Even fucking Bulldozer, that piece of flaming low-IPC-by-design turd gained 15-20% IPC in the span of 2 years and AMD basically abandoned it in less than a year! Only leaving a few people to work on it so we're not stuck with Zambezi.
Where do you get off that a new core which is much better is basically gonna trail Intel?
If x86 IPC was impossible to improve, then why the fuck is Intel making a new x86 architecture in 2021?

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They would have to either make a bigger die, or release it for the X399 platform. Both options seem really unlikely, AMD roadmaps show Pinnacle Ridge parts with up to 8 "Zen" (not "Zen2") cores.
This would be believable if it was actually about Zen2, but whoever faked the slide fucked up by claiming that this is what AMD is going to release in February, which we already know it's a 12nm part, not Zen2 which was confirmed to be 7nm.

>ryzen 7 gaming 5


AMD Marketing at its best.
Why not call it Ryzen 7 Gaming 5 CPU 3 Core 8

Brainlet.
It's Ryzen 7/5 Gaming (something like 2500G in AMD naming scheme).

>Ryzen Gaming, mobile
Now that sounds interesting.

It's Ryzen Gaming 5/7, lmao.
>ryzen 7 mobile apu 5

>Now that sounds interesting.
CES will be even more interesting.

Cant believe you are such a brainlet or are baiting.

Its ryzen 7 and ryzen 5 you mongoloid.

But the "Gaming" is part of the name like Threadripper is, meaning it's not the same chip as whatever before it.

Why the differentiation? Different die?
Remember it's under the premium mobile column, what is it doing there? a 40W notebook part? Doesn't seem premium mobile to me.

Good luck fitting 2 dies in an AM4 socket.

It's a "G" part in their naming scheme.
Means whatever.
I though M was high-power mobile.
Maybe, maybe it's a APU + dGPU part akin to KBL-G, but thicket (with 2.5D interposer and without EMIB)?

Maybe some APU with integrated HBM like people were rumoring years ago? I remember reading about cheaper HBM coming soon, but I can't find the link now.

RR die has no HBM PHY.
Besides, Papermaster said "NO" to HBM integration this gen.

>Doesn't seem premium mobile to me.

Good thing no one listens to you.

>low, cheap, stupid & retarded, as always
ADVANCED
MARKETING
DECEPTION

Then no idea what it is. I doubt AMD will compete against their own GPUs by releasing something like the glued together™ CPU+GPU that Intel announced.

>I doubt AMD will compete against their own GPUs
They won't, KBL-G is basically an Apple product, and Vega11 will be more powerful (assuming IT FUCKING WORKS) than whatever Polaris intel got.

This board is still as garbage as it was when I left several months ago. What a fucking shithole. Gibbering fuckshits still repeating crap about IPC and clockspeed that they don't even understand.

What were Magny-Cours/Interlagos/Abu Dabi?
Parts that didn't use IF-- that is to say they did not scale in the same way that IF does, which allows mainstream parts.

>New die, many manhours; not worth it.
It's not a new die. It's three CCX instead of two using two dies. I'm getting the impression you have no sweet clue what you're talking about.

>Parts that didn't use IF-- that is to say they did not scale in the same way that IF does, which allows mainstream parts.
They used HT3.0, which IF is vaguely based on, and scaled actually very well, it's just the cores were meh (K10.5 was outdated and BD was shit).
>It's three CCX instead of two using two dies.
CCX is merely 4cores + L3.
It's not a die.
Zeppelin is a die.
Contains 2CCX, a 2channel DDR4 IMC, 32 PCI-E lanes, 4GMI-links, 4 GP PHYs and something else I totally forgot about.

Look at the 1800X. There's space on that chip for another CCX.

AMD could release mainstream 12 cores whenever they want. The question is whether or not it makes sense in their product stack. The answer to that question really depends on clock speed, which is what I doubt most in that slide, not the core count.

So if you understand how IF works and what the CCX is, why are you insisting that AMD would have to design a new die to get a 12 core when you understand how they would achieve that without designing a new die?

I've been waiting for this product to take shape forever now. I want just like basic 1080p gaming capability in a laptop that's practical to bring around with me all day and that chip is fucking it.
Nvidia could do more in the laptop gpu space but this competition is going to be awesome.
I don't know how everyone isn't hype about a cpu/hbm/gpu package.

>understand how they would achieve that without designing a new die?
They won't.
You need moar crossbar ports for another CCX, which means severe modifications to Zeppelin.
Fucking hell please stop.

>i maek gigaheartz

It's not that simple, you need space for the interconnects too.

Oh, I misread your post. Yeah, there is space for another set of 4 cores, but they would need to redesign stuff, like how to connect the new CCX to the other ones in an efficient way, and it would also increase die size, which could hurt yields. Seems unlikely to happen until 7nm is ready.

Finally someone gets it!
They don't even need more cores, since they can trade density for clocks.

So let's be modest here and say that we'll see 4.5ghz out of the refresh and higher memory clocks. The memory thing might be optimistic.
If we look towards ln2 ryzen runs, taking the negative view of no ipc gains and all frequency, we see a cinebench score of 2022. This is on a 1800x. Comes out to 126 a thread. Pic related.
Looking at the 12 thread 8700k running at an obtainable 4.9ghz(I know they can go higher) you get a cinebench score of 1591 or 132 a core.
These things are going to be great for competition against Intel but will still loose to 5ghz chips in games that only scale to about 4 threads. Same story, nothing will change unless they also manage a ~6% IPC uplift.
If that happens it will come down to specific workloads, memory bandwidth, and inter-core latency.
As a gamer(I know I suck cocks thanks) I don't think it will be superior to a delidded 8700k@5ghz and ddr4 4233 cl19 but that's just because I buy at the high end. I suspect the ryzen+ 1600x will fair very well.
For production ryzen is better than consumer intel now and will be even better on the refresh.

Zeppelin is the base for Ryzen, Threadripper, and EPYC. They're all the same die. The MCM is what makes them different, but the MCM is not expensive to manufacture.

>how to connect the new CCX to the other ones
The same way they do in Threadripper, but the MCM can be smaller since they don't need to add another memory controller or any of the other extra features on TR.

My fucking god I am starting to despise AMD for their marketing.
Fuck me this is truly the end times.

NEW THREADRIPPER FUCKING WHEN?????


I NEED A NEW PC FOR WORK!

But what does that have to do with Ryzen though

I have no idea what you're getting at

August next year?
1 year to EOL seems decent.

>12 cores
>4Ghz+
>$329
if this is true Intel is shitting 10nm bricks right now

They can't shit 10nm bricks.
They don't yield.

constipation

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>The sky is orange
>It's blue
>Why you gotta be all mad tho?

Also, Ryzen is a very efficient architecture. FX was already hot and power hungry before they pushed it to its limit, so the result was a foregone conclusion. Ryzen has a lot of headroom before things get out of hand. And FX was competing with Sandy Bridge which ran cooler and more efficiently so that only increased the gap, whereas Ryzen would be increasing power draw and heat output up against Housefire Lake, so it would only level the playing field at worst.

Short version: Ryzen is not FX, stop it already.

>CES will be even more interesting.
REEEE WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS

A lot of RR laptops, possibly various smaller Vega, possibly 2000 series announcements.

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Nothing uses avx2 so who cares.

Sounds like an even larger reason for Shintels to boast over single thread performance

Asian Sam Hyde

>tfw waitied for Ryzen 2
Thanks for Beta testing

>50%+ performance improvement in 18 months
Moore's Law = alive and well

>12 core, 24 thread
>implying cheapo 350 boards can handle all of that
(lol

Not for Intel, heh.