Is this final proof that open source is unsustainable?

is this final proof that open source is unsustainable?
How can you expect people to update or create if no one gets paid?

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Android isn't Foss you dumb bitch

>over a billion plebs are too stupid to install lineageos

>The preferred license for the Android Open Source Project is the Apache Software License, Version 2.0 ("Apache 2.0"), and the majority of the Android software is licensed with Apache 2.0.

you just proved his point you retard

>android open source project
>open source project
>open source

Apache 2.0 is GPL compatible and is considered a free software license by the FSF

How much do you want to bet most of those are poorfags in 3rd world countries with some chink budget phone with no custom rom support?

So almost every person on Sup Forums?

99% of it's developer are actually paid developer.

At least the chink phones Sup Forums likes have linage support for the most part

They're paid to dev for a device until there pay masters tell them to make way for the new device 2 months after launch

this

Meanwhile the iPhone 5s and 6 are still supported kek

>nonfree binaries and firmware required
>nonfree hardware initialization and bootloaders, all cryptographically sign.

k kiddo

The communism of devices.

>How can you expect people to update or create if no one gets paid?
People are getting paid. Every Android phone comes with a custom version of Android developed by the hardware manufacturer, based on the open source Android code. The developers of those custom Android versions are paid for using the money from the sales of the devices. The companies don't pay them to update anything, so we end up where we are now.

>money matters. And while officially Linux is not owned by Google, de facto Google ownes it and dictates what license it going to use.

>Linux is used to run Android. Milliards of phones are sold with Android/Linux and Linux part is affected by GPL.

>GPLv3 would be great for that customers and very costly for Google because instead of buying new phone with increased version of Linux kernel, or upgradable "official" phone which costs 10x more, people would be able to demand that their software does not comply with license, and hence is illegal.

Fuck off google cuck

If you consider the fucking sloppy mess that is iOS 11 "support"

That is not android's fault, that is the fault of the OEMs and SoC makers like Qualcomm. You can make a fully libre Android device just like you can make a fully libre Linux device

>is this final proof that open source is unsustainable?
msft has similar % of people still on windows 8, 7, xp, etc, the problem is endemic to software as a whole

>How can you expect people to update or create if no one gets paid?
free software means free as in freedom, not free as in price, the reason why android is the most popular OS in the world is because vendors have the freedom to port it to whatever new device they want to make, without that freedom android would not be nearly as popular

even the SDK for making apps is pretty much nonfree as well. just stop.

android and all its cancer is just nonfree bullshit.

>he said posting on the proprietary image board.

my freedoms are intact. I only use FOSS javascript on Sup Forums. the server software is none of my problems.

>supporting proprietary systems by using them

Stallman would disagree :)

There is no such thing as free, just different compensations that aren't monetary.
Basically, it is fun to code certain things, so people program em even without being paid because working on the thing is the payment by itself.
This is why emulators for example work so well with OSS, they're basically a very fun puzzle that leads to fame and playing free games on your computer.

Now GUIs.. not so much.

Server software should preferably be AGPLv3 licensed

no, not really.

maybe you should actually read what he has to say. all that matters is your freedoms. if retards want to be fucked by the big nonfree software dong, that's their problem.

Right, stop using a proprietary image board on proprietary network hardware linked to proprietary patented routing equipment linked to a private companies internet line which runs proprietary network management and routing through a series of other proprietary network equipments running various levels of closed source software and firmware, delivering packets to a proprietary host (cloudfare), filling in a proprietary anti-spam system (captcha) in order to make a post against proprietary software.

literally can't read, the post.

The Android SDK source is also Apache 2.0

Nice attempt at avoiding a response dickwad.

I consider that your concession.
Good game :)

before or after you have to agree to some eula?

even f-droid server requires some nonfree EULA'd SDK blob from google.

The binarys fall under a EULA, but source code doesn't.

Lmao btfo

Project Treble defines a more stable API that vendors implement once that covers at least 2-3 next platform versions.

Does Android need to be updated for security patches, like Windows every month? I don't care about new features, I'm just asking about security fixes.

So this trebel thingy comes to phones that ship with oreo only? Am i fucked with xiaomi mi a1 then?

yes it does. its shambolic

yes and not all phones will get treble, entirely up to the manufacturer.

too little too late

google is mainly concerned about battery life and new sjw emojis
updates and security are neglected

Well fuck. I just hope xiaomi releases the kernel in the following months then...

The A1 is different because it's part of the Android One project meaning Google and the OEM write the updates together and Google and Xiaomi have jointly said they'll deliver two years of updates

It doesn't seem like he was defending google at all, m8. He was just saying that it's just the situation we are in now.

Yeah, this shit pisses me off as an android dev. I have to adapt my app for 5 different android versions and every one of them has it's own pitfalls.

> Android devices are outdated
> open source something-something BAD
Your post stretches goalposts more than I stretch ur mom's vagene.

Can you show me where it says open source or free software must be worked on or given away with no monetary compensation? You keep saying that is the case but never provide evidence

You keep saying that but never provide any funding.

>implying

Just build for Jelly Bean and up.

Where's the money Mr Goldstein, you said if I contributed to open source software for free up front you'd pay me later but I haven't received anything in the mail.

free isn't open

Fuck that. I've already dropped everything older that KitKat. Can't wait for the day I can drop KitKat as well.

You're a cunt

...

I just fucking hate pre lollipop devices.

I fucking hate devs who don't support Jellybean

Pretty sure I mentioned this IN THE LAST THREAD but you can't just conflate the Android version to the security version because security updates are still being pushed out for Android 4.4.4 on some devices.

Yes, a huge portion of Android devices are out of date on security updates too, and yes not being able to target the newest APIs effectively because most of the users are on older Android versions is a problem (but not a huge problem, you can build support for new APIs around old APIs in a single application if you didn't learn programming in a bootcamp).

Come on, lad. It's been almost 6 years. It's time to move on.

So much for write-once-run-everywhere

Is this really a problem though? If I use a library that was written 6 years ago and it does the task perfectly what is the problem?

> hurr security exploits
When has there been a vulnrability worth caring about that has gone unpatched? Furthermore, would the scope of those affected even be significant?

I use my phone to do two things:
• Pick up calls from coworkers and friends
• Shitpost here

I cannot recall a single instance where a "itz habbening" ever affected me.

>even the SDK for making apps is pretty much nonfree as well. just sto
What?
Programming for Android is completely free. I haven't paid a single dollar for it.

True I haven't published on Play Store, which is what costs you, but there is no cost barrier to starting with Android programming.

Still rocking Android 4.2 on my 3+year old Sony. Fuck you, senpai.

I'd love to but BB10OS is stuck with an Android 4.3 runtime.

He's not talking about cost

You still only write once, you just use your change your API calls depending on the API version the device is running.

A lot of the unique things you can do in newer APIs are either allowed by default (like multiwindow which doesn't need your application to be built for Android7, it just needs for you to not add a disable flag in your manifest) or candy.

The rest is just different API calls based on the API version you are running on.
So long as you are aware of this and test on different VMs your application will be fine.

no, this is proof that carriers can't be trusted to give a flying fuck

What the hell. Even I have somehow managed to update my sony so-04e miku hatsune edition to 5.1.1

BB10OS isn't Android, it merely supports Android apps with a Jellybean runtime.

/thread

Oh, I see. Too bad then.

>manufacturers don't make updates for their phones
>open source is unsustainable
Correlation: 0

Linuks looks sexy, i wanna try

But user, lineage sucks, every decent man knows AOSP extended is the way

>lots of devices run different versions of the software

And when has this been any different, with any phone or probably any device, or even computer?

Completely non news

outdated shit belongs in the trash

linux is outdated
it belongs in the trash

Not all devices (read: almost no devices) support lineageos.

I've never said such a thing. OP said
>how can you expect people to update or create if no one gets paid
As if it's some rule that developers for open source/FOSS can't get paid.

>develop an open source app for a free
>okay well thank you mr jones we will take it from here
>they get to keep your code and use it in any future release
>only your contributions have to be sourced, everything else can be proprietary out the ass and you get no remuneration

open source is a socialist joke

>not using FOSS
Regardless, if I develop something in open source I can sell it. Others using the source is irrelevant

>receives regular, consistent updates provided by thousands of developers every single month
>is outdated
by your logic Linux would stop being outdated if the kernel devs stopped working on it completely?

So can anyone else under a different name.
They can add features and sell it as a better version.

Then you're out of pocket.

I'd also like to point out than the Linux Kernel is GPLv2 instead of GPLv3 purely for corporate investment lmao

>your system being 2-3 years out of date is acceptable

freetards everyone

>Android = Linux kernel

Maybe stop changing random shit people don't want changed and then making security updates depend on accepting it.

the linux kernel has corporate funding, mainly from google.

i bet you love the taste of google's cock.
The kernel would be GPLv3 if Linux the greedy hook nosed kike didn't care about corporate shekels.

Op said open source, stallmanite faggot

>i bet you love the taste of google's cock.
The only Google thing I use is YouTube on occasion.
>The kernel would be GPLv3
Thank god he prevented that.

oh so you hate freedom then?

checkmate Luser

Quite the opposite. I'm not a fan of GPLv3's freedom restricting terms.

it's a final proof that linux is a unmaintaunable clusterfuck

using 5.0.2 right now. werks just fine, so why should I update? not planning on getting a newer device before treble and 7nm chips.

gnu.org/licenses/rms-why-gplv3.en.html

You hate freedom.

the fuck are you talking about? does Android 8.1 come with a 2-3 year old kernel? if you have a 3 year old phone, you're gonna have old software, which you can still update for at least a year. most people don't give a fuck about updating and won't do it, yet somehow this is the fault of "freetards"?

no

>tfw my phone is so old it runs fucking Froyo
original Galaxy S, please tell me what chinkphone to replace it with
I live in America but I'm still a poorfag
America is basically third world anyway

>everyone looks to stallman to define freedom
>n-no n-not that kinda freedom

cuck

they're stuck out of date because the non-free drivers can't be ported to newer kernels

Stallman's view of freedom is freedom restricting. He's not the be all end all authority on open source software no matter how much you fantasize about eating his toe jam and I'm entitled to my own opinion.

I love my proprietary shit actually, I just love using freetard logic against freetards and watch them scramble to defend themselves

> does Android 8.1 come with a 2-3 year old kernel?
My CM 14.1 Redmi 3 is literally on a 3.10 kernel, like a Debian 7.
Google chose not to update kernel to maintain compatibility and they even pushed Linux devs to maintain LTS kernels longer.

I'm not a freetard.

FOSS is just a means of extracting free labor and free products. There is no incentive to maintain anything since it costs money and codebase is hard to manage, track and understand.