I really don't get it when any of you say you use Firefox becuase Chrome is so much of a botnet. Well, from my own experience too, I know very well that Chrome didn't have any kinds of extensions and other sponsored shit pushed down by Google, while Firefox did, despite being "privacy focused".
Moreover, Google seems to try and integrate other services of theirs into their own browser, which is smart - not being a awful, shady mess of sponsorships that Firefox is.
I personally don't give a fuck what kind of company Google is, but I can clearly see they try to improve their browser and never decide to go with the money-making decisions. Of course, there will be posts saying that "Mozilla is a non-profit company!" - I don't give a shit, they get a ton of money from search engine deals and other donations. They have literal milion-dollar revenue.
I will not even comment how fucked up Mozilla is because of their gay-ass "politically correct, counter-misinformation" movement.
>Google never decide to go with the money making decisions How am I supposed to take your post seriously after this?
Gabriel Walker
Give me solid examples of Google integrating shit from other companies just to make the $$$. Firefox did add Pocket, installed extensions without users even being informed. This is horrible in my opinion.
Charles Price
What alternative are there though ? They're all politically correct and are all money-hungry. That's how capitalism works nowadays. They butter up everyone who wants to be buttered up and give candies to everyone who would throw a fit if they didn't have candies.
The only way to avoid being hostages to any of those cuntporations is to make your own browser. But devs who can and take time to do it end up being employed by them. Same thing for all the defcon people from back in the days. They all ended up being feds because of money and being grabbed by the balls.
Between two evils, I'll take the ones who aren't already owning half the internet.
Luis Brown
Google doesn't need to integrate shit from other companies. They'll give peanuts to people in exchange for bundling Chrome in their installers and shill their browser on the most visited website on the planet. They now have >60% marketshare of the most important software product in existence. They have access to every search query and complete browsing history for a very large portion of the internet population.
>Firefox did add Pocket Mozilla bought Pocket. Pocket is Mozilla's product now.
Andrew Barnes
My main point is that whatever Google does, it does not affect their software quality at all, it's not noticable. I wouldn't ever care about all those LGBT movements, race equality if it wasn't the main freaking focus of such companies. I know that Google does those equality videos and other shit all the time, it's just that it's somewhere back there, when not many people notice/care, whereas one of Mozilla's main goals is helping women get on with the tech? Sometimes they do good work, like finally making their browser faster, lighter, but then they add backdoors for installiing extensions without users knowing. It's just too weird for me.
Angel Diaz
>it does not affect their software quality The shitty extension also doesn't affect software quality. It literally doesn't do anything unless you enable it yourself.
>but then they add backdoors The backdoor (shield studies) isn't new.
Dylan Gomez
What does affect software quality is supporting stupid social movements instead of working on their actual product that earned them the popularity they have. Mozilla is now a SJW company, that will hire blacks, asians and transgenders just to prove that they can code too.
The fact that such a backdoor EXISTS and is used to install 3rd party software is enough to abandon this shit project. And yet most of Sup Forums will still shill Firefox and keep saying that you can tweak everything through the config.
Andrew Edwards
Wow so hard. The first time you open firefox you get a tab that explains the default privacy settings and how to change them.
Kayden Richardson
>bland >lifeless >and a cuck Man, I miss Firefox 1.5-3.0. It all went to shit after that.
Jacob Davis
Run everything in NCSA Mosaic If it dosent display a html 1.0 page you shouldn't bother with it anyways
Noah Rivera
4 was pretty good
Lucas James
Since everything uses HTTP now, Mosaic is essentially useless, unfortunately. Netscape 4.x doesn't even work with most sites anymore either.
$10 has been deposited to you Google Play account Pajeet.
Colton Brooks
Honestly I'm not sure at this point. I'm using Brave mainly because I think it's the browser least likely to give my info to Antifa. But there's a lot I don't really trust about it.
Adrian Powell
Like what? And what about other browsers like Waterfox, Pale Moon, Basilisk, Vivaldi, Chromium, etc?
Jaxon Russell
You're too stupid and uneducated on the subject so I won't bother arguing with you. >the extensions You need to use the Mozilla pioneers thing to have extensions installed on your browser. I use Nightly on 2 computers with full telemetry enabled and I never got this addon installed, and also a stable version which again doesn't have the addon installed. >shady mess of sponsorships They're upfront with everything they do. The browser is also open source. IceCat and WaterFox exist for the reason of removing potentially unwanted features. >non-profit company You obviously don't know what this means. >"politically correct movements" Every company does this. People that care about this shit are minorities so they're more likely to side with your product if you're "politically correct". You need this if you don't want your company to be ignored or accused of hate speech nowadays.
This. Google has even more datamining.
Brave is a datamining botnet. It's basically mini-Google Chrome.
Waterfox is basically Firefox without telemetry and undesirable features. IceCat is a fully libre Firefox ESR. Pale Moon is an older version of Firefox. Basilisk is pre-57 firefox. Iridium is the only good chromium browser.
Anthony Baker
Did Waterfox migrate to the new extension format yet?
Landon King
>Pale Moon is an older version of Firefox. Basilisk is pre-57 firefox. So in other words, out of date? Or does it retain the web/addon compatibility of up to date versions of Mozilla Firefox?
Jaxon Lopez
If I don't see any unusual cpu or gpu activity I'm /fine/ right?
Aiden Bennett
Honestly it just sounds like you're just a mad little man.
Christian Jones
>You need to use the Mozilla pioneers thing to have extensions installed on your browser.
The fact they even considered doing this at all is a problem. And that doesn't even address the issues of them donating money to Antifa and working to censor the internet under the guise of stopping "fake news." No, I will never use another Mozilla product after this.
Jayden Richardson
Firefox Quantum is too fast to give a shit about Mozilla's political leanings. You can post frog pictures on Sup Forums 2x faster just by using it.
Robert Torres
And how long before they start blocking Sup Forums or Daily Stormer as "dangerous?" Or giving your IP to your local Antifa chapter?
Ryder Harris
You can just fork it, that is the whole fucking point of free libre open source software, dumbass.
Alexander Nelson
>tfw still on Firefox 45 and dont give a fuck
Only Netflix doesnt work, which sucks but whatever, Netflix is total shit now.
Oliver Torres
>assuming no backdoors in software >i am a team of developers specialise information security
Indeed it is always an option
Julian Phillips
It's not "outdated". It's using the older versions as a base, which they (palemoon devs) update and upgrade. So yeah, addon compatibility and all that.
>censor the internet They only wanted to spread awareness against sites that spread fake news. And they should. You obviously fell for fake news.
Sebastian Hall
Try Icecat. Not really an actual "alternative" per se because it's only a GNU rebranding of Firefox ESR but it's not managed by Mozzila so it's the best we got.
Leo Bailey
Well, you should either kys or resort to jewish tricks if you are technically less literate than your enemy.
Blake Barnes
>more browser wars between technologically illiterate teenagers
yup it's Sup Forums
James Cooper
This is an excellent video on the topic, brings up some great points without sperging out about muh SJWs like Sup Forums does. I know there shouldn't be politics in a web browser but there are so many other issues with the company than just that.
Ryder Sanders
a decade of privacy and freedom focused efforts vs a few mistakes
Brayden Lopez
I don't think you know the definition of a mistake
Henry Moore
feel free to make an argument at some point
Dominic Hughes
The many things that Mozilla has done in the past few years against users were clearly not just mistakes.
Nicholas Davis
Are you confusing the words "accident" and "mistake"?
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. vs an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.
Ryan Hughes
So basically: Chromium > Firefox? On mobile Firefox performance is shit, it takes longer to load websites, like if it's scanning them or something. It's the only browser that does this on Android, Icecat is even (slightly) faster
Christopher Turner
It's not a mistake when you deliberately push low-level stuff into your software that's used for not so good purposes. Also, it had to be accepted by other employees. The best I can call it is a "bad decision".
Robert Carter
I personally prefer Chromium-based browser based on my own experience. They're reliable, fast and get frequent updates that bring good functionality. You can call me a shill but I'd go with Chrome for that sync between devices. Vivaldi is fine but kinda heavy in my opinion. Chromium itself is great, too. When it comes to mobile, as I said, I use Chrome to get those bookmarks, history and other shit synchronised, but the Snapdragon Browser is really fast (you can find it on XDA).
Isaac Jackson
Alright that makes sense then but I think "mistakes" has a much less negative connotation to it than what Mozilla's acts really deserve.
David Reed
Sucks Chromium for Android doesn't allow sync, but I dont have that many bookmarks, just some passwords saved that I forgot. Chrome is just too invasive, specially since Nougat.
Elijah Reed
There aren't that many good browser for Android. Firefox Focus is fine for quick browsing but didn't work well for me on the long run. I've used Snapdragon Browser for some time too but decided to try some others out. Lighting Browser has a good reputation but I don't really like the UI and I've been very sceptic when it comes to Brave. Slimperience is a unique one since it super light and pretty fast, too. Just lacks some functionality but it's expected.
Andrew Price
/thread what a fool
John Fisher
You can turn off a lot of the buttnut shit in Firefox.
Hunter Miller
Are you ready for a future where Addons such as NoScript, uMatrix, and any other DNS based controls no longer give you control over third party cookies/scripts due to those third party cookies/scripts being misrepresented to you as first party cookies/scripts?
From Gorhill:
>Instart Logic >The purpose of Instart Logic technology is to disguise 3rd-party requests as 1st-party requests, thus bypassing content blockers, and even the ability of browsers to block 3rd-party cookies (because they are stored as 1st-party cookies)
Instart Logic is a reverse proxy service similar to Cloudflare. Their service MitMs your connection to the website that you want to view and modifies the URLs for third party requests related to ad providers on the page that you're requesting so that they point to data on the site you're visiting rather than the sites of the ad providers. Instart Logic then translates the requests you send for that data back into requests for the ad data, retrieves the appropriate data from the ad provider, and sends the ads back to you as the data you requested from the site you're visiting (pic related is an illustration of the process).
Currently Instart Logic isn't targeting Firefox, so addons to fight it such as Gorhill's uBlock Origin Extra are only being compiled for Chrome/Chromium. However, Instart Logic could start targeting Firefox users as well in the future and I wouldn't be surprised if Cloudflare starts offering a similar service in the near future as well.
tl;dr The most aggressive advertisers currently target Chrome and Chromium and ignore Firefox
Luke Gray
I made the jump from FF ESR to Waterfox because of the last incident. I've been using FF since before it was a thing and it was the Mozilla browser suite back in the IE5 days. It is so fucking disappointing the trek that the Mozilla organization has been moving in. They're the only truly open browser and that shit scares me. Chromium still has a LOT of proprietary shit under the shell, FF is it for an open web and the Mozilla organization is fucking it up. The whole thing bums me out.
Lucas Rivera
Former CEO, Eich, on his twitter, seems disappointed over what Mozilla did.
Just check the Firefox/Mozilla Board: It seems advertisers taken over the board.
Also, look at this pretty bad apology Mozilla did for this Mr Robot blunder.
