ITT post fags that you never understand
for me it's
>archfags
why use it if it breaks frequently and when you can get void which works right out of the box (maybe even alpine, it also has the MINIMALISUM meme but with less retardation)
>macfags
why buy more money for something that performs less than a normal laptop?
"lel poorfag" isn't an argument for wasting money
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>I can always unbreak it, that's called freedom
>I can always unbreak it, that's called freedom
True dat
>why use it if it breaks frequently
It doesn't.
> and when you can get void which works right out of the box
It doesn't. Last time I used Void I had to manually set up my WiFi interface.
> maybe even alpine
Don't shill garbage you yourself haven't used.
why are archfags this afraid of alpine
Did you use it? Because I sure did.
>cuck libc
Yes, i did use it, it was pretty easy to set up, all i had to do was to follow a 10 minute youtube video
>Using bloat such as display servers
>minimalism
what
I recently installed Arch and Void. Arch worked just a little better than void OOTB, but not by much (Due to systemd related stuff). Void is faster tho.
>alpine
Only dumb GNU haters would unironically use it on the desktop.
>I set it up watching a 10 min youtube video
Good for you. Manjaro does the job just fine here, and it actually has packages thanks to the AUR.
Alpine is for LARPers, no one can use that garbo as his main OS.
i hope you use the openrc option my man.
>breaks frequently
it doesn't? And then you have void, which comes broken out of the box.
>let's use inferior software becuase muh minimalism
>*still uses GNU libraries and linux*
>no didja know you can use musl and BSD tools
>*everything breaks*
>WELL THE BROKEN SOFTWARE WAS ALL HARMFUL TO BEGIN WITH
Arch just werks. I'd also use fedora, but I only had an arch live CD from two years ago laying around when I bought my current laptop and couldn't be assed to wait for my phone to create a fedora liveUSB or magically unfry my last laptop's motherboard.
good screen,
>it looks nice and shiny
Mactoddlers use mactrash because they want a flat facebook machine.
>Paying more than you need because muh weight
fucking soyboy hit the gym
>transparency in terminal
Often combined with a busy wallpaper making half the screen almost unreadable.
tfw too intelligent for gym
t. shill on his overpriced Sup Forums machine
I've never had any problems with just using xterm
...
"Programmers" using closed source text editors.
how does it fell that you're getting ripped off on almost every level
overpriced machine, check
spies on you, check
can't fix or upgrade it yourself, check
What's with all the Void shilling recently?
>sour grapes
>on fucking arch
you can literally install it now what's the big deal?
>why use it if it breaks frequently and when you can get void which works right out of the box
It's what I started with because other people I knew used it and I've just never found a reason to switch. I like the package organization, the documentation's nice, the AUR is super helpful, there just isn't really anything wrong with it.
>using bloat like display
>using bloat like a keyboard
just use switches and leds sempai
>arch breaks frequently
>closed source
That implies that open source world be good enough, but you also should have the freedoms to make changes and the freedom to share your changes with your friend, so it should be Free Software, since freedom matters.
It's a legitimately good distro. I was skeptical too because of all the shilling, but I have to admit it has its perks.
That sure doesn't make you sound like a shill...
Yeah it's very comfy.
>why arch
Because it's simple, L I G H T W E I G H T, doesn't get in the way and has by far the best repos. It's probably the best overall distro for general use.
Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
>pacman is fast but not safe, it tends to break shit and config protection is implemented in a terrible way
>there is no official process to verify that a package is stable within the distro, in other distros a lot of packages are in a testing repo despite that specific package's developer claiming it to be stable on its own, because it might not be stable within the environment of a specific distro
>a lot of AUR packages pull from upstream, which means they could be very unstable
>(arch vs gentoo related) arch users complain about muh compile time when it comes to gentoo, while in fact they compile a lot of AUR packages themselves, namely the *-git packages that pull the source from a git repo
>but it gets even better: they only compile a handful of packages, and those not being libraries mostly, the self-compiled packages get linked against precompiled libraries from a different setup (e.g. different optimization levels), which can then cause even more instability because it's a clusterfuck of unequal shit
>arch uses (((systemd))) and switching to something else is hard
>apparently the vim package on arch pulls in X, so if you want to have a fancy terminal text editor on a headless server, you to install a shit ton of GUI stuff you'll never need nor use
>maintainer told the guy who complained to just symlink vi to vim (vi is inferior)
Nice pasta
simple != lightweight != minimalist
learn to read before pasting outdated meme emails
Enabling kernel modules doesn't make your kernel "bloated".
>(((systemd)))
You do realize it's FOSS, right? Or are you this autistic?
How about proper unicode support? Xterm doesn't into fontsets like urxvt and every other terminal. It does support emulating ancient fucking vector terminals though. Gotta get your priorities straight.
>Distros verifying package stability
How did that work out for shellshock and heartbleed? Oh right, poorly. All debian fags do is wait for bug reports to roll in, and if they don't, it's stable.
I'd rather just move that process to upstream since they're the actual developers and not middlemen who barely know how to program.
I use xterm too, who cares about exotic fontsets in a fucking terminal.
Right, but it's not simple, or lightweight, or minimal, which is what the argument was about.
Literally nothing with the Linux kernel is any of those things, not to mention the GNU shit, whatever-kits, pulse, gtk, X11/wayland...
Go use openBSD without X
You can't afford a Mac, OP
Uhm... no? The only argument against it was literally ((())).
>open text file in terminal, because you're a fag and run a text editor in a terminal
>it contains characters your ricer font doesn't cover
>what's with all these boxes?
>X11/wayland
speaking of that, which one is more /minimal/
>X: accumulated legacy bloat
>Wayland: Designed specifically to run bloat (3d effects) more betterer
Neither. Rio.
99.9999% of the time those text files are either bullshit or not meant to be edited by hand, literally not an issue.
So how do you view them? Do you keep gedit around so you don't have to view a bunch of boxes?
Xterm can't even do UTF8 box drawing characters right without just the right font for the job.
Exactly what the fuck do you need to edit with all those fancy characters? I haven't opened up such a file in months.
>his software is shit and can't do something basic
>i never wanted to do that anyways
loonux lusers in a nutshell
仕方が無い*
*you need gnome-terminal or urxvt to view this text
Even if you're joking, pretending everything falls under "bloat" is just misguided. The idea is generally to not have programs you don't use, which is why people go for things like i3 or openbox, where you aren't getting a calculator, chess, an image viewer, and a file manager along with it. You instead choose your own, or if you don't need some of these things, you don't have to install them. The point isn't to just be as minimal as possible. Working from a TTY can be fun, but I don't think it's a good idea to do it full-time.
>only GNUtards would use GNU on desktop :^
GNU is the norm, so flipping it around doesn't make sense. Sort of like how Windows is default on everything, so using it doesn't mean you're a huge Microsoft fan, it just means you have little interest/knowledge in technology.
It happens. I don't believe in crippling myself just because I don't encounter something every day.
Do you drive a 25hp geo metro because it's all you need at the moment, living somewhere without hills and high speed limits?
>*you need gnome-terminal or urxvt to view this text
What did he mean by this?
Again, when did you ever need to?
I literally can't see why I should use a heavier alternative that offers features I don't use anyway.
This. Transparent terminals are [slightly] even worse than gaps in a tiling wm. It makes me mad that transparent terminals are a common default config and have become normalized.
>unity
Ignoring that this is a bit out of date now, they can just install another DE. The canonical's dick up your ass line makes more sense.
>you NEED every possible feature otherwise your software is shit
>what is unix philosophy
Transparent terminals with a nice wallpaper and a well, but not too much riced desktop look great and get me in a much better mood for productivity. I see nothing wrong with it.
>heavier alternative
dude xterm is heavier than rxvt-unicode
xterm has features you don't use like vector terminal emulation
xterm is literally against your philosophy why the fuck do you use that garbage
>urxvt
Good terminal, but termite has most of the same features. The main downsite is that it pulls in really weird and disgusting dependencies related to graphical stuff like GTK. Also that its TERM value is not recognized on most distros by default so you need to either set TERM=xterm or install termite on the remote machine (which is annoying if it's a headless server and you've suddenly pulled in all the gtk shit). I've used both for months at a time and am currently back to urxvt, mainly because termite wasn't packaged on void.
Termite is actually VTE (gnome terminal). That's why it's shit.
I'm willing to listen to your side of the story. Can you provide one or two examples of a desktop with transparent terminals that you find pleasing?
Transparent terminals for me always makes it harder to read the god damn text.
Ah, didn't know that. Thanks for the info. I liked it because it had many features that were almost only in urxvt but also felt a lot more modern. It's nice to not have to mess with .Xresources. Also, ctrl-x to hilight links and then pressing a # to open them was cool.
I hope he means near-opaque transparency with tiled wallpapers, not clear terminals over messy anime whyfoos
But he'll probably post clear terminals over whyfoos anyways
>breaks frequently
I haven't had a break since Xorg 1.15 or so, I can't even remember how long ago it happened.
>Use Monospace and have Icons as a fallback
>Werks everytime
Xterm still only supports one latin font and one CJK font, so you're limited to fonts that contain the characters you need or expect to need regardless of eye rape concerns.
Here is a recent screenshot of mine while working on a small personal project, a Space Invaders-like arcade game.
Minimal ricing, just some transparency with compton. I find this setup much more pleasing to work with than an opaque terminal with less colors, and I have no trouble reading code.
I'm not saying that using opaque terminals is wrong, to each his own. I'm merely saying that the right amount of eye candy can be pleasing to look at and hence get you in a better mood for productivity.
lmao forgot to black out user and hostname on one line, who cares anyway
That's fucking awful
>anime watchers
it's always stills with minor details like the eyes being animated, more often than not with ken burns effects. added to it exaggerated breathing noises, annoying squeaky female noises, absolutely ridiculous 'power levels' (a tiny kid can shoot a gigathousand watt laser beem and kill some evil enemy at the other end of the universe-shit). most of them don't come translated natively and it's all the same shit over and over and over again. schoolgirls. kids that go to school. people that walk around with the eyes closed (wtf). people that carry books on their chest with crossed arms over it.
what's the appeal? sure, there must be good ones among them, but when you consider what the real successful animes are and what they depict, I just think 'why'
Pretty much everything popular sucks, in any kind of media.
The best anime I've seen aren't mainstream.
Start watching and it will grow on you. The fact that you're questioning it means you're interested.
You sound like me 10 years ago.
Also this
>desperatefags
I don't get it.
>hey, what's this series? Looks interesting.
>Oh, this is blahblahblah, it came out around 2004
>NO IT DIDN'T IT CAME OUT IN 2003 YOU FUCKING MOUTHBREATHING RETARD
>Oh, cool. Anyways, it's a pretty good series...
>STOP BACKTRACKING, YOU FUCKED UP YOU RETARD!
>Neat, we don't care, we're trying to discuss....
>CRY HARDER FUCKING FAGTRON, MOMMIE MILKIES!!!!
Every fucking board is like this these days. They wait for the smallest thing to nitpick about, then shitpost about it for hours. I don't understand the point, since people aren't getting trolled by it, just mildly annoyed. With all the entertainment available to the average person these days, why would anyone waste their time like this?
Autism.
I see you're a gentleman of taste like myself, good sir.
*tips*
*breaks*
That would explain a great deal.
I never claimed to be a gentleman, or to have taste. I watch the Red Green Show and read the Sonic the Hedgehog comic. Your move.
Grow up.
>xterm heavier than rxvt
>I haven't had a break since Xorg 1.15
I haven't even used Xorg in about half a year, maybe more, Wayland is comfy. Just ignore it, the "arch breaks xDD" meme is spouted by people who read it from some MS Paint comic and never actually used arch. They'll keep spouting the same thing even when the context has changed so much that it's not even applicable anymore.
Exactly this, my wifi worked out of the box on Arch. Not on void.
Now let's apply your scrutiny to all the hollywood movies released in a year, or even just a 3 month period. Let's also apply it to american live-action TV shows released in the same time. Do you like every show/movie released? I don't know why you're thinking of anime as different here.
arch is just for people who like to post their rices on r/unixporn
void/alpine is for people who like to get stuff done
You are talking about free (as in freedom) software and not open source though
You're absolutely correct and to be honest I don't see it any different. It's always pro-american to the point where it's plain laughable.
It's the reason why I stopped consuming that hot garbage altogether. I still watch stuff, but mostly YouTube that preferrably teaches me new things (projects of people, HowTos, guides, philosophical or non-philosophical discussions about this and that). For me, entertainment is vidya. At least I can interact with it somehow, even sharpen my motoric skills like reaction times.
I switched to it a year and a half ago from Arch and I haven't looked back, it's a bit of a meme but it is good
it's easy. you just aren't poor. it just works.
also any proprietary computer spies on you (i.e. all cpus, etc)
>it just works.
everything else works, in fact while being more powerful, while being cheaper
>also any proprietary computer spies on you (i.e. all cpus, etc)
>this is what mactoddlers tell themselves to sleep at night
most CPUs don't, except for core ix
t. cucked by proprietary hardware botnet
also no, windows doesn't work and other unices don't just work
>t. cucked by proprietary hardware botnet
my e5800 doesn't have intel ME, vpro or AMT
>windows doesn't work and other unices don't just work
not an argument
have you checked every single thing going on there? just because ME/AMT/etc are known botnets doesn't mean there are no hidden ones
Yes, my CPU is fucking pre 2008 legacy, if you think intel would even bother at that time to implant spyware you're mistaken
also respond to the whole post, mactoddler
>10 years
>still needs subtitles
What does it feel to be an absolute fucking loser?
>why buy more money for something that performs less than a normal laptop?
I didn't pay for it, my employer did.
still performs less than a pc, spies on youu, have to take it to the company to fix it (and of course it's made to be broken easily) can't upgrade it yourself, etc