Ancient Persia

Ancient Persia

>civilized country of intellectuals and philosophers where people enjoyed stability and freedom
>portrayed as superstitious mutant hobgoblins ruled by evil god emperor in modern media

Ancient Sparta
>possibly the most vile and despicable civilization ever to arise (south american head hunting tribes being the most abominable), 90% of population was made of helots ruled by sociopaths. They also got beated by literal army of faggots and never made it past a city state
>portrayed as noble democracy loving warriors in modern media

How come Greeks have such good PR? They are even seen as sole precursors to western civilization, while a lot of ideas that shaped western civilization (and middle eastern and east asian ones too) actually originated in Persia.

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Why did they make Xerxes a creepy faggot in the movie?

Persians = Sandniggers
Spartans = BBW (Beautifull Bronzed Warriors)

no homo

People just didn't understand 300. The whole point of the movie is that it was told by the one-eyed Spartan soldier (Dilios) to motivate his men before the battle of Plataea. So he obviously exaggerated and lied. Just to make the story more epic.

Also, history is written by the victors. And the various Greeks not only defended Hellas from the massive Persian empire, they actually ended up conquering it, the mad men.

What is eurocentric portrayal?

It's the same reason why you are never told about achievements of empires in Asia, it just doesn't go with the European/white man narrative.

well what else can you expect from wh*tes?

300 got banned in Iran because "it insulted Persian culture". Kek,its not like they themselves destroy their culture by shitslam constantly.

>poo in the loo

>Constantly shown as evil bastards by the west

>Still defend western media

Vladimir Cucksilli

Persia was still great until somewhere in the 18th century. Better than your shithole at least.

300 is like all historical records from the time: Seen from the greek side. The persians rewrote their history.

t. Ali Reza Hosseini

Persians didn't have slaves. The Spartans did.

>constantly smelt by the west
>still putting his poo online instead of in the loo

superpower 2030??

No, I'm not Iranian. Persian history was interesting even after Islam. It went out with a massive bang with Nader Shah and started a decline after his death.

Not that guy but he is right persia created great civilizations for millenia but yout country was someones butt boy for most of its existance.

>>civilized country of intellectuals and philosophers where people enjoyed stability and freedom
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

Entire Middle East in general was more advanced Pre-Islam.

Why don't Persians return to thier true religion?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull

Not really aside from egypt and persia the rest was pretty shit.
The levant became a warzone due to roman and persian imperialism and arabia was the wild west with some merchantile city states.

Hahaha. So funny wow. Never heard that before.

>Leaf humor

They were also homos. But still. They defended their land and Leonidad was real fucking G

Funny how you Indians pretend not to care but come out of the woodwork right when the SHART meme comes out.

Shia Islam is pretty much Persian. They have their own special snowflake version of Islam.

>Cucked by Greeks,Arabs,T*rks,Mongols,Brits and Russians.
>Now islamic government cucking it up even more.

Ali Reza,wake up.

itt shitskins

turk in czechia

I've been posting before, throughout and after the shart in mart. Poo in loo got rid if the reddit and nationalist trash. There were hardly any of us to begin with

300 is the most cringeworthy sub-fascist fantasy to ever appear on cinemas.

i really liked the gay undertones

tbf it was an Indian who started the SHART IN MART meme

>Cucked by Greeks,Arabs,T*rks,Mongols,Brits and Russians.

Wait are you talking about Croatia? Haha

Was it autism?

it was based on a miller comic from the 90s
god damn kids these days

WTF I HATE CUMSKINS NOW.

Miller went full autism after 9/11. Now he looks like Freddy Kruger with aids

Pic related

jesus fuck

Holy shit

What the fuck happened to Miller?

t. Crusader King

This wrong on a fair few levels.

>The whole point of the movie is that it was told by the one-eyed Spartan soldier (Dilios) to motivate his men before the battle of Plataea. So he obviously exaggerated and lied

First of all, that just an excuse to be unapologetically racist against the ancient Iranians.

>And the various Greeks not only defended Hellas from the massive Persian empire

By many metrics the Iranians won the Greco-Iranian wars. They defeated the Spartans at Thermopylae, killed one the Spartan kings, raized Athens and Platea, and reduced most of Greece to tribute-paying vassals. From there, they effectively ran Greece, see the King's Peace and the various wars between Athens, Sparta and Thebes.

>they actually ended up conquering it, the mad men

Not really. The Macedonians did, but the Macedonians were, at best, only quasi-Greek.

> a story where a few good guys beat a shitload of evil dudes then paid the ultimate sacrifice for their country

is more marketable than

> a bunch of pedos fucked around near the ocean for 3 days before getting smoked by an obviously superior force

Which movie would you pay to watch?

Yeah, I'm a proud devotee to the idea of Western superiority, but the whole le civilized Greeks vs. evul Persians thing is just dumb. Fuck the ayatollah, and bring back Zoroastrian Persia pls.

>Persians = Sandniggers
Wrong

>It's the same reason why you are never told about achievements of empires in Asia
No, that's because those advances are essentially irrelevant to modern life. Thanks for 0, though, Pajeet.

You can expect us to not shit in the streets. So, there's that.

you do know this movie was faithfully based in a COMIC, not real history, do you?

t. sharter

No, Queen fan.

cancer

>make fun of persia
>indians rush to defend it

You can't spell sharter without hearts :)

t. mehmet

Ancient Persia
>aggressive power imposing their will on their neighbours

Ancient Sparta
>isolationist city state with no desire to conquer anyone

and only one of those were even relevant or successful

>south american head hunting tribes being the most abominable
Please don't tell me you're talking about the Incas

>with no desire to conquer anyone
not really

both were relevant and successful

>implying Sparta wasnt successful
>implying they wanted to be relevant outside of militaristic reputation

mmm i don't know. Maybe it is because ancient Greece acted as a shield against further Persian expansion into Europe.

Ancient Greece>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Persia

>indians invent curry and shitting in the streets
>this is as important as the discovery of steam power

>Ancient Sparta
>isolationist city state with no desire to conquer anyone

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenian_Wars

300 was made during a period of high tensions between Israel and Iran, it's basically a Jewish propaganda piece made to incite anti-Iranian feelings in the American populace.

Does your view of their "militaristic reputation" include Spartans getting beaten by a bunch of outnumbered faggots throwing stones at them?

Sparta is only remembered because of 300, and muh Thermopylae - whereas in reality most of the "Spartan" force actually consisted of Athenians. All that Spartan culture was, was the culture of touching young boys and fighting amongst themselves. If you want real Greek culture then look at the city states such as Athens.

Maybe he was talking talking about Sparta not being an empire of Persian magnitude but a force contained within the Greek world.

This but also
Sparta did nothing wrong

Well yeah, you are comparing city-state to fucking empire, they were still Greeks

>implying Americans know anything at all about Persia to connect it to Iran
>Americans
>Geography
Ask an American where Persia was and they'll just day "idk the desert somewhere"

Well, surely the point of the comparison was to prove that the Spartans were somehow better than the Persians. Which they weren't.

Ironic, given that Jews had one of their safest periods under ancient Persia.
Shut up, England.

>Sparta is only remembered because of 300, and muh Thermopylae
looks like some clitface doesn't know about the Peloponnesian War...

No it was to prove that they were in the right

Basically almost all of the important Greek city states were assholes and imperialists towards eachother and towards weaker cities.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melian_Dialogue

It was the way of the ancient (and modern i guess) world.

Persia is more hated because it was a global player and had a more centralised autocratic rule.

>is only remembered because of 300
As I said faggot. That's all they are remembered for. Nobody knows them for the Peloponnesian War.

tfw india is getting shit on in this thread tho they contributed tons in the ancient times.

>muh racism
cry moar
>by many metrics the Iranians won the Greco-Iranian wars
How-so? They got pushed out of Greece and the Greeks launched a counter-attack that reclaimed Ionia and conquered Cyprus and Egypt.
>raized Athens and Platea
which were evacuated to Salamis.
>reduced most of Greece to tribute-paying vassals
Except for when they got reclaimed the next year
>they effectively ran Greece, see the King's peace
Is that why the Peace of Callias cucked the Persians and made them agree not to be within a three days march of the Aeagan or else the Greeks will come and kick their ass?

>Macedonians did... only quasi-Greek
Then why were the Macedonians allowed to participate in the Olympics, spoke Greek, and had inscriptions in Greek laying around in their country?

Persians weren't even Iranian. Modern Iranians are descended from barbaric Scythian tribes and later dirty arabs running down and mingling with the true Aryan Persians.

we wuz aryans and shit

>How-so? They got pushed out of Greece and the Greeks launched a counter-attack that reclaimed Ionia and conquered Cyprus and Egypt

They didn't conquer Egypt you moron, they got fucking wrecked in Egypt.

>which were evacuated to Salamis

So what? They still burned the places down.

>or else the Greeks will come and kick their ass

You drastically, drastically over-estimate the Greeks capability for power protection. They Greeks simply couldn't hope to take on Persia, that article was most likely nothing more than an attempt to make the Greeks feel like they're not totally being screwed over.

>Then why were the Macedonians allowed to participate in the Olympics, spoke Greek, and had inscriptions in Greek laying around in their country?

Because Phillip II really, really wanted to be Greek. The Greek the Macedonians spoke was likely not even mutually intelligible to the Greeks, and there were far more differences than similarities.

>Muh Greek biased! Herodotus and other Greek historians lied because they were GREEK!
Ok, do you have any counter evidence written by the Persians of what they said about the war?
>"..."
Surely they must've wrote a lot about shit, like the Greeks... oh wait, they didn't. They only wrote like 1-2 inscriptions in their own language, and that's only at major burial monuments .
>"B-b-but that's because Alexander collectively destroyed all of Ancient Persia's writings when he conquered Persepolis!"
There's no historical account saying that he did, and Greece didn't lose their writings and stories from Homer and Hesiod after the Persians razed Athens and other major Greek cities.

Maybe the Persians were just a bunch of illiterate dumbfucks who didn't write anything and were basically the Mongols of their time. Have you thought about that?

>We don't have much proof, so we MUST take whatever rank bullshit that's come down to us as gospel truth

>mfw there's actually non-Greeks who have a firm grasp on ancient Greek history

>they got fucking wrecked in Egypt
Just like the Persians got fucking rekted in Greece and all over Europe, despite temporarily occupying Athens (but not the Peloponnese, which had most of the large cities at the time). You fell in my trap-card nigger. Occupying means jack-shit if you got your ass kicked a year later (at-least the Athenians managed to stay in Egypt for half a decade before fleeing).

>So what, they still burned the places down
Same with what the Athenians did with Egypt, but you said it didn't matter.

> You drastically, drastically over-estimate the Greeks capability for power protection
No, it's pretty clear why the peace was made. Even though they couldn't reach Persia being so divided, they did do extensive damage by rekting their fleets in the Mediterranean and sacking and aiding their tribute sources that was causing great damage in the long-run.

>The Greek the Macedonians spoke was likely not even mutually intelligible to the Greeks

"Describing political negotiations between Macedonians and Aetolians in the late 3rd century BC, Livy has a Macedonian ambassador argue that Aetolians, Acarnanians and Macedonians were "men of the same language".[57]"

Alexander's speech to his soldiers
Alexander's speech to his solders one year before his death
I wish all of you, now that the wars are coming to an end, to live happily in peace. All
mortals from now on shall live like one people, united, and peacefully working towards
a common prosperity. You should regard the whole world as your country, a country
where the best govern, with common laws, and no racial distinctions. I do not separate
people, as many narrow-minded others do, into Hellenes and barbarians. I am
not interested in the origin or race of citizens; I only distinguish them on the basis of
their virtue. For me, each foreigner is a Hellene, and each bad Hellene is a barbarian.
If ever there appear differences among you, you must not resolve them by taking to
arms;"

persia was getting rekt battle by battle mate,get over it
they were worthless

divide and rule bought them a lot of life time before macedonians put an end to them

as for the greek identity of macedonians,they spoke northwestern doric greek.They were dorians.It was a greek kingdom,like epirus or the kingdoms in cyprus.Not everyone was organised in city states.

well cuntmate Peloponnesian War's aftermath is basically the reason why Philip and Alexander of Macedonia built a huge ass empire which in turn allowed both Roman Empire and Christianity to be, which in turn allowed the Modern World to be

>>We don't have much proof, so we MUST take whatever rank bullshit that's come down to us as gospel truth
True. But if you actually read Herodotus and Thuycdides, you'll find that they aren't unanimous with agreeing or portraying Greeks in a positive light as people accused them to be. Herodotus who covers must of what we have about the first and second Persian wars shines the Persians in the light a lot of the time, so much so he was accused by Pseudo-Plutarch of being biased against Greeks for being from Halicarnassus (which aided the Persians without resistance). He also documents how the Persians steamrolled their way down to Boeotia without much resistance and the flaw of Delian league ground-forces of how they weren't a match against Persian cavarly in open-field that they had to rely on favorable terrain and fortifications to prevail.

>came her to drop some knowledge
>see this
>holy shit
Preach, Ameribros, preach!

this 2bh

>All that INDO ARYAN butthurt

talk to american get sharted on

No problemo, Greece.

why are euros so butthurt they can't admit persians were bretty cool

>Yfw Alexander was a globalist

>Persians got fucking rekted in Greece

Not really. The army was likely a fair small one by Persian standards.

>Occupying means jack-shit if you got your ass kicked a year later

You assume the Persians wanted to conquer Athens. We don't know this to be a fact. The invasion may well have been a punitive expedition, in which case the sack of Athens was an achievement of their aims.

>Same with what the Athenians did with Egypt, but you said it didn't matter

Except that the Athenian aim was to enable the Egyptians to overthrow Persian rule. In this aim, they failed. Meanwhile, the Persians may have just wanted to burn Athens down, which they did.

> they did do extensive damage by rekting their fleets in the Mediterranean

They keep apparently wrecking the Persian's fleet, don't they? But think about it for a second. How many countries can stand to have their fleet "wrecked" time and time again? The fact that the Persians are perfectly able to simply build a new fleet demonstrates that the damage was not long lasting.

>sacking and aiding their tribute sources that was causing great damage in the long-run.

You also drastically over-estimate the importance of Ionia. Whilst the region was very wealthy by Greek standards, the fact that the king and even his local govenors was able to provide huge sums of money to various Greek factions, whilst continuing to pay for massive building projects clearly shows that any disruption to the cash flow from Ionia was likely little more than a minor annoyance.

>"Describing political negotiations between Macedonians and Aetolians in the late 3rd century BC, Livy has a Macedonian ambassador argue that Aetolians, Acarnanians and Macedonians were "men of the same language".

I think it's fairly foolish to trust the words of a single Macedonian diplomat (as reported by Livy) at face value. We also have fragments of some comic dramas, describing a Macedonian speaking some kind of heavily accented gibberish. Clearly, the Athenians at least found the Macedonians very hard to understand.

And whilst Alexander himself may have been raised heavily in Greek culture (remember, Alexander also became heavily culturally persian after his conquest) that doesn't change the fact that for the vast majority of their history the Macedonians were markedly different in funerary culture (building tumulus mounds rather than cremating their dead), political organisation (having a feudal monarchy), social organisation (for the most part being almost entirely in-urbanised until Philip II's reign) and military organisation (Macedonian armies are described as being like barbarian rabbles, not adopting the Phalanx until Phillip II's reign). However, the Macedonians may have been fairly similar to the Bronze Age Greeks of 800 years earlier.

>if they had execution methods then they didn't have philosophers and freedom

I wonder why people think Americans are retarded.

>Macedonians were, at best, only quasi-Greek.