Is it true that in countries with "free" healthcare you have to wait months to see a doctor?

Is it true that in countries with "free" healthcare you have to wait months to see a doctor?

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Depends on what you wanna do, whether you have any preferred hospital and how serious the situation is.

No

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And oh by te way here in Italy going to the public hospital to get a specialized check-up isn't really convenient, you pay 5 or 10€ less and that's it, you still have to pay if you're not dying.

No

To most docs I can go with a wait-time of 30 min.
Specialist I have to wait maybe a week.

Meanwhile an american that I know has to wait 2 weeks for a gynocologist.

Depends on what kind of doctor. Some doctors have long appointment lists, but that is only for stuff like skin counceling and other shit.

If you need HELP NOW then you can get it no problem.

Only Canada is it that bad.

Usually it's just a week or two longer than in the U.S.

>Is it true that in countries with "free" healthcare you have to wait months to see a doctor?
Specialists aren´t available on short notice in the public healthcare system, no. On the flipside, stitches and other minor medical procedures are "free" and readily available - great, isn´t it?

>all these "no" answers ITT
Deluded europoors who willfully misunderstood the question. Pathetic.

Is it true that in countries without "free" healthcare you have to wait forever to see a doctor unless you pay money?

No.

Also, In a country with a National Health Service, there's still the option to go private or get health insurance. In America you absolutely NEED health insurance, because if you don't have it and you're suddenly struck down in the street, you're gonna spend the rest of your days paying off that medical bill.

"No"

No

if I want to see a doctor I go to the internet and select a date (usually 2-3 days away)

if it's really important you can go to the emergency sector and they'll help you

also in spain you won't pay anything, unlike other european countries with "free" healthcare where you pay per date, month, year or treatment.

Hours, not months. Although you might need to wait a few days if you need an MRI or something, and you're not bleeding out of every orifice.

>months
More like years

>unless you pay money
>implying healthcare is "free" in Ausfailia
Health insurance isn´t expensive in America, provided you aren´t homeless and jobless.

maybe

Then who's paying for it? Are doctors just doing out of the goodness of their heart? You're still paying for it, unless you're a NEET.

>In America you absolutely NEED health insurance
And you absolutely NEED to finance the healthcare system with your tax pounds.

It's very expensive for surgeries and extended stays. It's too complicated to explain as it differs by state

No...

>Then who's paying for it?
Socialists, of course.
>Spaniards
>not even once

No.
Stop watching Fox news.

I pay 2% of my wage for medicare, and $40 a year for ambulance cover.

This covers me and every australian for literally every medical problem that could arise.

It might not be free but it's a bloody bargain. Healthcare IS much more expensive in america.

general taxes obviously, but there isn't a single specific health-related thing you have to pay for

So? Tax is mandatory everywhere, so why not use some of it to finance a healthcare system for the people, paid for by the people? Better than it going in the pocket of some dodgy politician.

Depends on the seriousness of your illness and the field it belongs to, but generally you have to wait around a week here.
Our health care isn't completely free, but everyone has health insurance. If you're too poor to pay it, the government will pay most of it.

>It's very expensive for surgeries and extended stays.
That´s largely decided by your insurance plan.

>you have to wait months to see a doctor
Nope, I set up an appointment with my doctor and I chose from a set of dates within the same week.
We usually have to wait months for surgery and the like, yeah, but at least we are not left for dead like in Murica.

Took me half an hour the other week

We've been using this system since 1950 and we have one of the world's best healthcare

Spain is shit in many things, but our health system, our social security in general, is one thing we're all proud of.

>I pay 2% of my wage for medicare
I can guarantee you that´s a false statement. Healthcare expenditure is 20% of our govt´s budget, which translates to roughly 10% in tax rate terms. How come your healthcare is 5x cheaper? I don´t buy it.

>It might not be free but it's a bloody bargain.
It´s not a bargain. Look up govt budget info.

>Healthcare IS much more expensive in america.
150 USD/month covers a basic healthcare plan. Plastic surgery not reimbursed.

Healthcare IS much more expensive in america.

You don't get left for dead in America, you just get the surgery and become in debt for life.

>it doesn't have a separate entry on the bill therefore it's free
Pedro, when you buy a cake, pay for it and read the receipt, you're not billed for flour, eggs, sugar, water, cacao... etc. Are you?

Ours is 34.20€/month. Literally just mandatory health insurance.

>>it doesn't have a separate entry on the bill therefore it's free

Yes because everyone benefits from it no matter their economic condition

>Tax is mandatory everywhere, so why not use some of it to finance a healthcare system for the people, paid for by the people?
Why force people to pay for the healthcare of others? Why should I pay for the medical bills incurred by fatties, smokers, junkies or drunks?

>Better than it going in the pocket of some dodgy politician.
How goddamn stupid are you? There´s nothing for a politician to collect if there is no system to steal from.

>Why force people to pay for the healthcare of others? Why should I pay for the medical bills incurred by fatties, smokers, junkies or drunks?

>and we have one of the world's best healthcare
According to what metric? A UN ranking that favors socialist countries by default?

>Why force people to breathe the same air than me? Why should fatties, smokers, junkies or drunks breathe MY air?

No. Just come in time

No, it just means you have no idea how much you're actually paying for it.

>I don't like the results so it's socialist propaganda!! unga bunga!!!

In a fair, just world, I´d legally be able to shoot disgusting tax collectors out to rob me of my honestly acquired property, only to spend the loot on helping people with no regard for their health.

no

>all these salty replies
Congratulations on falling for the bait, everyone

Is it true Americans don't collectively bargain for medicine resulting in higher prices for individuals?

>implying air is a finite resource
My time, strength and generosity is limited.

>healthcare is "free"
>oh wow 11/10 great system my leninist brother
Compare cancer survival rates and get back to me.

You don't understand why it's in place at all, do you? I firmly believe you can measure how first world a nation is just by looking at their healthcare system. We don't leave our vulnerable, poor, or needy to suffer in silence while the world just passes them by. We're compassionate and believe everybody should be entitled (Given you're a British citizen) to free* healthcare and treament if you're sick or injured. When I go to A&E with a broken arm or food poisoning, I don't have to worry about being handed a bill at the end of it, or if my insurance covers my injury/illness.

In Leafland yes, even over a year on a wait list isn't that abnormal depending on what you need and it's urgency.

It just means that thanks to everybody contributing to a free healthcare through taxes where everybody pays according to their economic level no one is going to die or end in bankrupt because he fells sick

Thanks to this terrible system if you break your anus while masturbating with a glass doing tourism here you won't have to cry to your parents to send you 6.000$

Anyway if you like SO MUCH the other way, you have Somalia, Nigeria and other countries where you won't pay healthcare taxes. These paradises are waiting for you right now.

That 2% doesn't pay for medicare in its entirety, it's also partly funded by normal government revenue streams. It is still a bargain, our healthcare costs are quite low.

People who earn over $150k or something pay an extra 1.5% levy if they don't take out private health insurance. So people who can afford it are encouraged to take out private insurance.

However, since private insurance has become more common, healthcare costs have increased. Private healthcare drives up the cost of medical services, this is true all over the world. The private sector also often do not offer all medical services, such as Accident & Emergency, because it is too hard to make a profit on them. Monetising/privatising health services is one of the worst things that can happen to a society imo, it just adds shekel hoarding middlemen to a critical social service.

>generosity
You don't have any of that. You would be diagnosed as a sociopath if someone had the chance to see you. Because only sociopaths would oppose to social healthcare.

Quit being so defensive. My point was there's no such thing as free healthcare and it's a much more honest system in which they explicitly tell you how much you have to pay to have your ass covered.

>Is it true Americans don't collectively bargain for medicine resulting in higher prices for individuals?
Is it true Canadians think medical research is "free" and conducted by an alien entity?

Your healthcare system would be shit without American made drugs and American made medical equipment, supported by American medical research - all of which are paid for by the American Federal Government and insurance companies.

yes I got cancer last year but I had to wait 8 months before even seeing a doctor because of immigrants going in to complain about colds

really makes you die

>hip replacement

I'm sure grandma can suffer a little longer so I can have my ruptured appendix removed in a timely fashion

> I firmly believe you can measure how first world a nation is just by looking at their healthcare system.
Civilization is not measured in rate of theft (tax), but in economic, social and political liberty enjoyed by citizens.

Was the Soviet Union "civilized" because it provided everyone with basic needs? Take a moment to think before you answer.

Retarded people against public healthcare because WE WUZ PAYIN FOR FATTIES AND DRUNKS should fuck off to United Sharts of America.

I'd rather pay for fatties than live in a cunt where people with cancer either cook meth to pay medical expenses or go bankrupt.

Yeah faggots there is a reason you can't set Breaking Bad in other countries, but keep crying because fatties have access to public healthcare as if it was a logical reason to go full America.

breaking bad was fiction user

>That 2% doesn't pay for medicare in its entirety, it's also partly funded by normal government revenue streams.
>partly
I suspect this "part" is much larger than 2% of government revenue.

>Monetising/privatising health services is one of the worst things that can happen to a society imo, it just adds shekel hoarding middlemen to a critical social service.
Medical research isn´t free.

>The private sector also often do not offer all medical services, such as Accident & Emergency, because it is too hard to make a profit on them.
There is no need to privatize every sector in the healthcare system.


>Private healthcare drives up the cost of medical services, this is true all over the world.
Without "private" entities researching drugs, medical equipment and diseases, we´d have no modern healthcare system in the first place.

Americans are gouged over simple things like a stick of epinephrine that have been on the market for decades. I have no sympathy forcing drug companies to charge reasonable prices over simple medicine.

>Tax is theft

Stop. Tax is vital to finance and maintain a whole bunch of basic infrastructure.

>I'd rather pay for fatties than live in a cunt where people with cancer either cook meth to pay medical expenses or go bankrupt.
>spot the retard
Breaking Bad was a false premise. Walt would´ve had medical insurance covering his expenses.

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> I have no sympathy forcing drug companies to charge reasonable prices over simple medicine.
>reasonable
>simple
Developing drugs is neither cheap nor simple. Would you revel at the thought of someone forcing you to work for a "reasonable" wage (half or less of your current wage), since your job is so "simple"?

No. I had an eye problem last week and got an appointment with a specialist within 1 day.

God is great.

Bullshit

>Tax is vital to finance and maintain a whole bunch of basic infrastructure.
That doesn´t justify extending taxation to every imaginable phenomena in society.

The NHS is not "vital" by any means.

americans are such masochists that they justify paying for healthcare and college while spending ungodly amounts on a stupid jet thats gonna get rekt anyway

>Fictional shows are real life.
Autism

That's what patents are for and Canada follows them. When the patent expires they can get fucked.

>The NHS is not vital

It is unless you want to privatise all medical services, which is such a terrible idea.

No, I just asked my mum and she said she's called at 8am in the morning and been able to get an appointment for the GP the same day
and of course you can go to the hospital any time

except people with cancer going bankrupt to pay medical treatment only exist in America

I wonder why BBC didn't come up with the idea first, probably because in Britain people with cancer have treatment paid by NHS. Same in other yuro countries.

That was fiction based on real problems. Of course nobody cooks meth to pay the medical bill. They just die.

ha ha jokes on you I didn't pay for either one

>They just die.
Haha no.

>except people with cancer going bankrupt to pay medical treatment only exist in America
Better go bankrupt than to die to cancer imo but to each their own.

t. Nurse

>It is unless you want to privatise all medical services
False dichotomy.

>That's what patents are for
Patents don´t pay for all expenses incurred by medical research.

What about that man that bought the license to produce an asthma drug that costed maybe like a dollar to him and decided to charge 20 dollars on retail?
The reason the US health care system is retarded is because companies don't compete, they just ask the american public how much money are they willing to spend, and turns out most of them are willing to go into some heavy debt for it, so you as the hospital can have a 400% profit on simple medical procedures and no American would complain, they have no idea how cheap it is to begin with.

Someone post that picture of the company that tried to sell a 1/3rd pounder burger to compete with McDondald's 1/4er pounder for the same price, but noone bought it because they assumed that 1/4 was bigger than 1/3
People still have the impression that paying more = better services

>I wonder why BBC didn't come up with the idea first, probably because in Britain people with cancer have treatment paid by NHS.
Teachers in New Mexico pay for their cancer treatment with insurance claims.

>Of course nobody cooks meth to pay the medical bill. They just die.
Correction: they never end up in financial worries in the first place, provided that they are fiscally responsible people, allocatin a percentage of their income to medical insurance bills.

I don't think you understand the point of an NHS

>I suspect this "part" is much larger than 2% of government revenue.
We pay 6.8% of GDP for healthcare, pretty low.

>Medical research isn´t free.
I didn't say it was, why is that relevant?

>There is no need to privatize every sector in the healthcare system.
There's no need to privatize any of them, it only adds inefficiency.

>Without "private" entities researching drugs, medical equipment and diseases, we´d have no modern healthcare system in the first place.
What absolute rubbish, CSIRO, Australia's government science organisation created Ultrasounds, as well as funding cochlear implants and new eye implants. So much medical tech comes from universities and government research, not only the private sector. However I'm not saying the private sector doesn't have a role to play in medical research, they definitely do. My main issue is with privatising the delivery of medical services.

Read this article, literally everything in this scandal indicates privatising the medical industry creates issues.
cnbc.com/2016/08/25/mylan-expands-epipen-cost-cutting-programs-after-charges-of-price-gouging.html
>Mylan CEO Heather Bresch struggled Thursday to justify the repeated big price hikes of the company's lifesaving EpiPen devices as criticism continued that Mylan is gouging consumers with a retail cost of more than $600.
>"My frustration is there's a list price of $608," said Bresch, who said that price reflects a system where there are "four or five hands that the product touches and companies that it goes through before it ever gets to that patient at the counter."
Even the cunt price gouging is saying there are too many cunts price gouging.

>Implying fiction is not inspired by real life

Perhaps the treatment to prevent Amerifats to shart in mart is too expensive.

He's partially wrong anyway, as the NHS often rations the best cancer treatment to those who can pay privately out of pocket.

I'd prefer the Dutch system to either a single payer or psuedo-private system.

>The reason the US health care system is retarded is because companies don't compete, they just ask the american public how much money are they willing to spend, and turns out most of them are willing to go into some heavy debt for it, so you as the hospital can have a 400% profit on simple medical procedures and no American would complain, they have no idea how cheap it is to begin with.
Do you really believe that no public figure would´ve exposed such a racket if it actually existed? Are you by any chance a conspiracy theorist? 9/11 truther maybe?

Medical research is expensive. Deal with it.

Your an retard
Everybody needs healthcare and it is always cheaper when it is not privatised. Companies always try to make a profit. Medical research costs are a meme.

Then the companies shouldn't engage in unprofitable research or they can lower their prices once the patents expire to maintain market share.

>>Implying fiction is not inspired by real life
I guess you're not wrong. Tolkein must have gotten the idea for Orcs after interacting with your typical Bong.

>I didn't say it was, why is that relevant?
>There's no need to privatize any of them, it only adds inefficiency.
See, these two statements aren´t compatible. If medical research isn´t extremely cheap, then the healthcare system also cannot be fully controlled and financed by the government.

>What absolute rubbish, CSIRO, Australia's government science organisation created Ultrasounds, as well as funding cochlear implants and new eye implants.
You´re not seeing the bigger picture. The vast majority of medical research is carried out in the US, not in Australia, for purely financial reasons - your government does not have the funds necessary to compete with large multinational conglomerates.

Dubs of truth

yeah the situation sucks here
Waiting times can be up to two months just for a regular check up at a dermatologist
Regular doctors usually take you whenever, just gonna have to wait in the waiting room forever if you're unlucky
Thing that sucks here is that you "register" with a certain doctor at the health insurance when you go there for the first time and if you decide you want to go somewhere else you might have to go to tons of different doctors until you find one that will take you. As you're registered with another doc they can basically tell you to fuck off unless you arrive there with a gashing wound.

My doctor fucking sucks (just moved here recently and didn't know any better) and I've been trying to switch for half a year now. Either the waiting times are super long before you can make appointment to switch or they say they're not taking any new patients atm.
A lot of doctors don't even take in patients with the state health insurance any more but only privately insured ones.

Kek

The public health system is covered by state government, and not the federal gov. The state government collects revenue raised through the goods and services tax, and that's used to fund various state services.

The federal gov has little involvement in state run hospitals. They more or less decide on what will be covered by pharmaceutical benefits scheme (PBS), which medicines/treatments will become subsidised, and finally handle medicare related expenditures and cover. They will sometimes help state-run hospital or health care services that are deemed to be lacking.

The vast bulk of Australian medical expenses as paid for by the government goes into subsidising medications under the PBS, and that is directly impacted on by the elderly, as the elderly are the biggest consumers of healthcare products and services.

>Everybody needs healthcare and it is always cheaper when it is not privatised.
That´s because Americans pay for costs incurred by medical research. A socialist system leeching off the free market is nothing to be proud of.

>Medical research costs are a meme.
They aren´t a meme, but do keep believing whatever you want and do keep paying those taxes.

>Then the companies shouldn't engage in unprofitable research
That´s not the way research works. There is no way to tell "profitable" ideas from "unprofitable" ideas without conducting research.

Don't measure healthcare by GDP, government budget is better. Usually it's about 50% of the budget depending on how your province's split it with the federal government.

>Don't measure healthcare by GDP, government budget is better.
Sshh, you might enlighten the marxist. Careful now.

Depends on the fame of the doctor
This is the case in every country regardless of the health system being public or private

I want to know much a sex change costs in the west.

Is it affordable enough to come back if I don't like it?

S-Sudanon?
When did you become so dank?

>See, these two statements aren´t compatible. If medical research isn´t extremely cheap, then the healthcare system also cannot be fully controlled and financed by the government.
I have no problem with the private sector manufacturing drugs and devices and doing research - so long as the government regulates the prices on these critical products to ensure they're affordable.

>You´re not seeing the bigger picture. The vast majority of medical research is carried out in the US, not in Australia, for purely financial reasons - your government does not have the funds necessary to compete with large multinational conglomerates.
>From 1 January 2015, the Government will establish a Medical Research Future Fund (the Fund) that will grow to $20 billion — the largest of its kind in the world.
>The Fund is estimated to reach the $20 billion target capital level by 2020 and the capital base is set to be preserved in perpetuity.
>The Fund will distribute around $1 billion a year into medical research from 2022‑23.
They can and do compete, like I said, lots of technological innovations come from government funded research. The best system is to have both public and private sectors involved - and regulating the private sector strongly to ensure they don't fuck us over.

Yeah healthcare is one of the biggest costs of any welfare state. But privatising it only serves to limit its accessibility and increase its price.