If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming (especially the i5 8400) or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 1600) >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Consider Vega 56 for a Freesync monitor >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580 if you want to overpay a little >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
my current pc had some motherboard issue which fried the cpu. it was an old 4560 (non k) so I guess I now have to get a new one. If you're wondering about the gpu and storage, those survived so I'll just reuse them. Its a 970 mini >inb4 3.5 gigs and a 2tb hard drive. I've always wanted a small form factor PC since my old full tower is taking up too much space where my feet should be. I know that there's a price premium but I don't mind spending the extra bucks Any thoughts or things I should change? I should also add I'm getting the 8600k for 230 instead of 270
Robert Turner
why are all those server grade processors so much new?
Julian Sullivan
THE NAME YOU CAN FUCKING TRUST
Oliver Torres
So when comparing STP for CPUs, how much does clock speed matter?
I know you can't compare apples and oranges but for instance Coffee Lake vs Ryzen, is most of its STP advantage/Ryzen's lack of due to the difference in clocks?
Or what if you compared them clock for clock?
Connor Sanders
I have 16GB of ram already in my main pc but i have a spare 8GB stick never used. Should i sell to some desperate gaymer or hold on to it?
Downgrade to a R3 1200, you can hit 3.7ghz stock easy, use the extra cash to upgrade to a b350 board. Consider getting a 120gb ssd and adding a hdd later, with only 4gb of ram, you're going to really need it.
Otherwise pretty good. You should be able to overclock that ram fairly easily.
Pretty much finalised my mid-tier build now, got all the prices including delivery listed. Total of $1,265. Anyone got any feedback/ideas before I pull the trigger? Probably won't actually place orders for a couple hours still. The main thing i'm uncertain about is the CPU price, logical increments had it listed for $185, but the best I could do (keeping shipping costs in mind) was $245.
Matthew Wright
baka forgot the pic
Elijah Cooper
If you had to choose a single drive, would you go for a 500GB SSD or a 1TB HDD?
Does the brand/model of your RAM mark a big difference? I was under the impression it didn't make much difference, and gaming RAM was just a case of snake oil.
Ethan Gonzalez
for the price of a 500gb ssd you could probably buy a 250gb and a 1tb hdd
Hunter Wood
pcpartpicker.com/list/nMLwTH So I tried running a game from my HDD when suddenly it freezes, use task manager to force close it which then freezes too. Restart computer, then refuses to boot up and gets stucks on windows logo unless I disconnect the sata cable from mother board. Is my hdd kill? my bios still detects it but takes forever to get into it with the SATA cable connected.
pic related
Jacob Parker
I suggest you drop the cpu cooler and use that money to get an i5-8400. the rest of your parts are good.
Liam Bailey
SSD any day of the week, just uninstall what you don't use. I'll never go back to HDD
here's what i'm looking at for an income tax build when it comes time to file
my old vishera/280x build is starting to show it's age and i'm looking to make the jump.
my only requirements are the case (or at least one in a similar "cube" form factor, as it fits easier on my desk than other ATX tower cases and i don't want to put it on the floor) and Ryzen.
I'm mostly gonna use it for music production and maybe some games here and there (hence the 580). Trying to keep it under $1k, and i already have a 1TB HDD to throw in there alongside the SSD
Charles Cooper
get a smaller SSD and HDD.
1TB HDDs are dirt cheap (even avoiding Seaclicks and WDs), and both Sandisk and Kingston offer good 128-250gb SSDs for relatively cheap.
the benefits of an SSD are too great to not get one, especially since they're only getting cheaper as time goes on.
Eli Thompson
The 1600 already comes with a decent enough cooler. You're doing music production and don't need an optical drive at all?
Camden Ross
My GPU just died and I'm running with the über intel 4000, can you give me any reason to don't buy a 1060 3GB at 225€ (cheapest yurop price)?
Joshua Gutierrez
does dual channel memory matter as much with ryzen 3, just wondering, i see alot of tests with ryzen 1600s and above but barely anything with r3s
Landon Wood
mountain mods?
Ethan Mitchell
It's not a good price, even for Europe.
Liam Moore
Yeah is the only one we have, we overpay for hardware and for everything since lel yurotaxes to buy better houses than the ones you can buy working 40 years for terrorist refugees
I mean, any reason to don't buy it? Integrated gpu can't even display proper colors on my dell ultrasharp
Brandon Cook
>its a "$50 for shipping if you don't want to wait two months for it to get here" episode aaaaaaaaaaaa
Dylan Russell
Nope. Get it.
Adrian King
My old HD 7850 finally died recently and I'm thinking of getting a rx 560/1050ti. Are those GPUs at least as good as my old one? I was going to build a new PC, but I barely ever play any games made past 2010. CPU is a 3570k and I have a very low budget of 350-400 BGN(180-200 EUR)
Mason Taylor
Yes
Owen Russell
1050ti for sure since AMD new drivers break DX9 support for older games.
Leo Reed
2 questions: >pic related Is the All in One driver all I need or does that not cover mobo specific stuff like the wifi, sound chips etc? >before flashing BIOS, update AGESA to 1.0.0.6a How? What is this?
Gavin Thomas
Are cheapish Corsair PSUs generally considered unreliable? I'm having a look through some listings, and a lot of reviews are saying things like "its loud as fuck" and that its basically shit quality.
Ryder Perez
PSU is the one component you never ever fucking cheapen on. Ever. Buy seasonic and save yourself the tears.
Robert Turner
alright fair enough. i'll bite the bullet and shell out the extra ~$60 for the seasonic.
Josiah Wilson
>budget >$200
what do
Kevin King
Is it worth it to OC a Ryzen 1600 on the stock cooler?
How much of a difference does it make to go 3.7-3.8 if you can manage the temps vs. just letting it turbo to 3.6? iirc it doesn't turbo all cores but I'm not playing heavy threaded games.
Ryan Carter
actually budget is $300
David Martin
Do you think that a cpu like the Ryzen 6 1600 will bottleneck with a future midrange gpu from lets say 2020? I know its impossible to predict, but when comparing 3 year old cpus in the same price range as the 1600, then they are still fine combined with a gtx 1060 or rx580. I am thinking about buying a more expensive cpu than needed, so that in 2-3 years I only have to upgrade the graphics card. (no motherboard, windows and cpu) My goal is to just play every title in 1080p at 60fps.
Ethan Smith
for what
Jason Bailey
lads please. Do I even need to do mobo bios and chipset drivers if everything is running fine?
Connor Brooks
No, I meant I'm an European and it's still not a good price, but if you're in a bind at least it's not a shit GPU. I'd look into old stock but still new stuff like previous gen GPUs otherwise.
Hudson Harris
light gaming / office work / web browsing
David Parker
>building a computer with logical increments >using the "great" tier >they reccomend a 650W PSU >run the proposed specs through outervision.com/power-supply-calculator >says at most i'd need 350W what gives, why recommend so much more? would I be fine with a 550W?
Anthony Wilson
power efficiency probably but you should always get at least 20% over your requirement. PSUs also degrade
Hudson Fisher
Yes you would.
Connor Nelson
Buy a used 970 for 175
It's basically the same performance wise
Evan Roberts
Finally finished my PC build. had a scare last night where only one stick or RAM was in, even though I thought I got both of them in, but didn't apparently. Cable management with my case was a fucking nightmare though, although that is probably due to me using a mATX case. Any tips for better cable management the next time I build a PC?
Anthony Myers
The IPC gap is almost dead even now with Ryzen so they're very solid all around processors now. As opposed to the AMD-Dozer/Piledriver meme years ago, games are utilizing more threads so the 1600 gives you great value overall.
Your other option would be the i5-8600k which would run you at least 120 USD more taking into account the absolute cheapest Z370 mobo prices. That would give you a more powerful processor out of the box and would much better with a moderate OC.
Keep in mind you could potentially replace the Zen chip later with Zen+ using the money you're not spending on the Intel build and spend it elsewhere if Zen is enough. Either way you can never really futureproof so forget about that.
Ryder Bennett
I am just afraid that these cpus are still not strong enough to last that long, so I will have to upgrade cpu and mobo too. If thats the case I could save around 100$ right now and buy a cheaper cpu. But I think the 1600 will be good enough, I hope.
Josiah Hernandez
You are like little baby
Connor Cooper
Bios flashing is stupidly easy to do nowadays.
It goes double for Zen AMD boards. Memory and general platform stability was fixed a shitload over the course of the year.
Don't be an idiot and take a few minutes of your time to do it.
Jaxson Harris
fucking australia post
Jack Perry
false only 3.5GB
Colton Anderson
I can't flash the bios until I "update AGESA to 1.0.0.6a" and google tells me what agesa is but I can't find anything to do with downloading it
Chase Wood
I'm just out of sydney cbd too so I can't imagine what it'd be for some poor rural fucker
Owen Roberts
fuck international shipping for computer parts in general, if its not sold in australia somewhere i'm not getting it
Blake Diaz
I'm about to buy the "1080p / Entry Level / GTX 1060 3GB / R3 1200 / 8GB DDR4" system from pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ but with different ram, same speed, different vendor.
And I just want to ask before I pull the trigger: Is it still viable?
Christian Reed
Absolute poorfag. Need to update a really old pc running this motherboard: >asus.com/Motherboards/M3A78EM/ Will stuff like a GT1030 or a Ryzen 3 connect? Apparently the GT would because it's PCIE 3 and this has PCIE (2), but I'm not sure how to check for CPU support...
Jordan Rivera
I've never built a computer before, so I'm waiting to see what friends and other people recommend. Are the default pcpartpicker builds any good? I customized one of them a bit to get this: pcpartpicker.com/list/hxWTd6 Any advice?
Aaron Robinson
A PCIE 3 compatible GPU will work in a PCIE 2 slot.
Michael Gonzalez
Cool! Is that all I'd need to check to see if the card is compatible? How about a CPU?
Brody Collins
Post your mobo model?
Parker Martin
No it won't support a ryzen cpu, you need a new motherboard for that, in your case almost a new pc effectively. Best you can do is find a used cpu that is supported by your motherboard, the fastest it can support.
The good thing about PCIE slots is they are always compatible regardless of generation, they will automatically adjust speed accordingly.
If you have room in your budget, I would recommend a geforce 1050 ti.
Carter Rivera
same please respond ;_;
Jacob Ortiz
Yes. The entry level build hits a very good sweet spot with a great GPU, powerful CPU for current gen that you can upgrade potentially, and includes an SSD which is a huge upgrade from an HDD.
All the components on that list are pretty vanilla for that pricerange.
John Gonzalez
I cant just stick a single 8GB RAM stick in a computer, can I? There needs to be 2x4GB sticks doesn't there?
Robert Stewart
Great, thought so as well, just wanted a second opinion. Buying now.
Easton Collins
Yes you can, but you loose some speed from not going dual channel.
Dylan Walker
Why no t. running a single 2GB stick
Dominic Jones
>No, I meant I'm an European and it's still not a good price
Well, okay maybe is cheaper over germany but here you just can't go under 225€
Jaxon Sanchez
Reminder that as soon as windows gets PTI patch intel cpu's will drop 25% to 35% performance. Fixed CPUs come in ~1.5-2.5 years. Buy Ryzen.
Angel Thompson
So there is a difference? I can pay 122 for a single 8gb stick or pay 132 for two 4gbs, if there wasn't a difference i was going to just grab the single stick and save 10 bucks, but if there is an actual difference then saving 10 bucks seems silly
Logan Powell
Damn... >Best you can do is find a used cpu that is supported by your motherboard, the fastest it can support. How do I figure out this? Could you tell me if any of the ones before the Ryzen are okay? >pcfactory.cl/procesadores?categoria=272
Connor Thompson
Its ok. Id get a slightly better mobo though. 4 dimms is really nice to have. Especially if you want to overclock you want a not- bottom-barrel board. Get 2 sticks of ram instead of 1. Get ddr4 2400 or 2666 if it's within budget.
Henry Jackson
I'm going for the ryzen biuld, the asrock motherboard has 4 dimms, and I guess it will be fine with some light overclocking?
Easton Murphy
buying a laptop with i7 7700hq, 16gb DDR4 2133MHz, nvidia gtx 1070, ssd 256gb m.2 how will it hold up in gaming?
Jason Butler
Reeeee why do mobo manufacturers not include a button on the mono which force updates the bios from USB if there are ever issues this is is. I went to build my own server I checked the website before it said the CPU was compatible with the mobo so I went ahead an ordered it anyway built it and it won't post I checked the website it said a bios update is needed to use a skylake processor. What the fuck do I do senpajs
Hunter Gonzalez
borrow a friends cpu that is compatible? buy a used cpu, flash, sell used cpu again?
Is there a USB bootable speccy or alternative. Looking for something light weight. Quickly and shows the spec summary of the computer as soon as it boots to the USB, in seconds?
William Rivera
Generally you'd want a slighter more powerful GPU to pair with the R5 1600, like a 1060 3gb or 6gb, or RX580 in a ideal world, but it really depends on the games you play.
I wouldn't bother with hybrid drives desu, I think they are massive memes. A 120gb (240 ideal if Windows 10) and a 1tb hdd make more sense.
Jackson Russell
For vidya it really doesn't matter. For other applications (handbrake, premiere) you might see more difference.
Ian Rodriguez
Nvm I think I just misunderstood. AGESA is just the amd system their bios is based on and I can flash straight to .6a. 6b is a step back according to many posts on reddit
Jeremiah Young
>want airflow case and easy to clean filters >all glass these days >ones that have decent airflow are from 2011-14 >still top $ >lack newer features >glass ones have to take glass off the front to get to the filters >4 thumbscrews
why are case manufacturers shit, they haven't improved anything, why is it glass on the cable management side showing off ssd's with cables everywhere
make some cable shrouds or something
I have a fractal r3 but it's a royal pain to clean the filters, 4 fucking screws each one and then the fan is sitting there lose
Adrian Carter
>6b is a step back according to many posts on reddit Please elaborate
Parker Adams
Asrock changelog states no changes to memory performance or stability. Only significant change is a fix for a specific issue compiling in linux. For anyone else it seemingly has no effect other than significantly increased boot times reported from a - b
Gavin Lewis
Wtf kind of dumbass question is that.
Just look up some jackass playing vidya gayms on shilltube
Jackson Jenkins
I didn't notice any increases in boot time on my msi pc mate, if anything, it boots even faster now.
Michael Jenkins
Should I sell some buttcoins for a GTX 1080TI + 8700k or wait for newer hardware?
I have a i5 4690k and gtx 1070. 1440p144hz monitor too.
Nicholas Fisher
fuck off cryptotard
Tyler Rivera
whatever you say peperoni face
ill just pump up those gpu prices
Cooper Reed
If I flash b I can always flash back if it does turn out slower right?
Aiden Barnes
pls no bully im just worried about 2133MHz not being good enough for future games
Nolan Thomas
>People told me not to buy Windows 10 and to just use Microsoft Toolkit. >Doesn't activate Windows and just installs a bunch of malware despite unticking it all in installation.
