B.S. in Computer Science

>B.S. in Computer Science
>Almost have an M.S. in Computer Science
>Cant find any paid job above minimum wage, let alone a developer job

wat do, Sup Forums?

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Move?

I live in the silicon valley but most jobs require experience, I'm not sure where else is better for jobs-any suggestions?

See about getting volunteer work with a company. There, you get experience.

how do I do that? show up at the front door and ask to do free work for them? Is that even legal?

Sorry, I assumed you lived in nowhere. Do internships and build a portfolio. Also, be willing to start low at a company that has the higher level jobs you want.

suck dick for a job

>make shit
>put it on your github
>look for entry level jobs

or become a tranny and wear I'm With Her shirts, you'll get hired in no time

my portfolio is lacking, but I do have a few projects in different languages on my github from school

I cant get internships either, Ive applied to so many

go find a company and send them an email, or you can go in and ask to speak to a hiring manager. You can tell them about how interested you are in getting your first job as a developer and that you're willing to work for 2 weeks free of charge.

Keep improving your portfolio and keep trying for internships. If you haven't even gotten calls for interviews then how you are putting together your resume may be the issue. Remember, you have to usually get past the resume scanning software and HR's impressions before the first interview so it is amazingly important to have a good resume (by good I don't mean lots of work experience). Make sure you are including a technical skills section that highlights everything you know and a projects section where you described 2-3 projects in a couple lines and that the whole thing is formatted as nicely as possible. Volunteer work and other unrelated jobs embellished a bit helps.

ok thanks. I think a startup might work better for this. Do you think a big company would be open to this?

I did this for my first job. Hired me at the end, and then even paid me for those weeks.

Either larping or went to a shitty no-name university like UCSD. If you went to UCLA or Stanford you wouldn't have this problem.

Become a tranny and when they reject you claim they did so because of discrimination.

>Small Midwestern city, top 20 metro areas in the US tho
>No degree at all
>$80k doing mid level web development
>part time school for job insurance

Oh how I laugh

>Cant find any paid job above minimum wage

yea I'm regretting a CS degree, I feel it doesnt help me code other than some elective classes I took

I should of dropped out of high school at 14 via a GED and made tons of apps or something instead of falling for the meme degree

>B.S. in Electrical & Computer Engineering
>Companies have caught on that actual engineers make for better programmers
>Have companies literally throwing themselves at me, multiple linkedin messages & emails everyday trying to recruit me for embedded software development
>Would be a literal instahire for any web dev place since web dev is retard tier
>Refuse to work software cause my juicy job as a chip architect is fucking awesome, I get to sit in a lab all day doing signal analysis for $40/hr
>Probably switch to software in 10 or so years and leverage my EE experiences to start at mid or senior level for that ridiculously inflated software """engineer""" salary

Life is good user. Should have learned how to properly push electrons through silicon instead of being the n+1th person to learn about traversing graphs.

>not EE or CE
You fucked up.

I have a similar skills portfolio as you OP but haven't applied to any jobs yet recently, there's a shortage of programmers here in the U.S. so keep that mind, also if you have a Masters the interviews will be much tougher and they will expect more from you

post your resume

>shortage of programmers here in the U.S.
The only shortage is of programmers with years of experience willing to work for worse than entry level wages (read: sub-60k).

> shortage of programmers here in the U.S
Only if trump H1B reform pass

>huge shortage of programmers in US
lol

I think thats pushed by companies to get US workers wages lower by creating more supply of programmers in the market

If there was a shortage I would have got an interview to work at least part time developing software for minimum wage, which I havent even got that yet

I'm also in the valley and about to get my B.S. Had two internships before, but having trouble finding FTE now. What's your response rate like? I've gotten 3 replies from ~40 applications.

You gotta be smart, be a good communicator, and also equally importantly be a good fit on the team, they can tell if you're going to cause problems with your attitude

what?

>Bull shit in computer science
Theirs your problem.

You need to be smart and know your stuff

You need to be an effective communicator (think of as a teaching role)

You need to have a good attitude (depending what type of person you are), this is what's known as "team fit" because you'll end up working with them for at least 40 hours a week

Also, if this many of us are having problems, then perhaps this foreshadows the economy...

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Move away from there dummy, go to Austin TX or Charleston NC or Chattanooga TN.

Also consider creating projects and making them available on github.

Ive applied to around 100 applications with 0 replies

my buisness major friend approved my resume and I think it looks good so I dont think thats a big issue

what does this have to do with what i said?

Calm down, I replied to the wrong person

Austin, TX will always be a second-class city in terms of tech, it's really overrated especially if you work in the tech sector

I'm a native from the Central Texas area and it infuriates me whenever all these internationals decide to settle down here because "it's cheaper than west coast, lol" and all they complain about is cost, money, etc.

Have you tried the stuff mentioned here in this?
talent.works/blog/2018/01/08/the-science-of-the-job-search-part-i-13-data-backed-ways-to-win/
Particularly the stuff on when to send applications.
I've heard of some people having to send close to 1000 applications before getting an offer. Though I hope it doesn't come to that for either your or me.

It's harder to find a job in those areas, you should be able to find a job in the bay area no doubt but if you're having trouble then perhaps this portends to the tech bubble about to burst

I don't have a degree but I have developed personal desktop software, integrated systems for micros and up for businesses and an app for a small business
Can I get a job in silicon valley?

Yes, but get some sort of cert like "completed coding bootcamp"

>talent.works/blog/2018/01/08/the-science-of-the-job-search-part-i-13-data-backed-ways-to-win/

>48% higher chance as a woman

wtf this thread is scary

i don't get how that's a cert, also i feel that would lower my reputation not raise it, aren't bootcamps for single mothers and unemployed coal miners to learn html or whatever

Im going to guess companies are starting to not respecting school highly anymore based off my results. id give it a shot and apply

I don't know much about coding bootcamps unfortunately, but I've started seeing in job descriptions as "minimum qualifications" in recent years

Yeah, I've noticed larger companies are lowering the bar because the tech sector is understaffed with decent programmers, not sure why there is a disconnect in this thread from what I've seen in years past, but maybe I'll find out myself

Boulder, Colorado is supposed to be getting huge in tech.

Augusta, Georgia is nice and has plenty of jobs.

I'm from California. You need to leave. You can come back once you have built up your resume a little bit but you will struggle to start out there. You NEED to leave. Colorado would be your best bet in Boulder. I know a ton of guys with no degrees making 60k-75k and living great out there.

Work for yourself.

No way to get financially stable in this world now unless you own your own company.

What about Seattle?

thanks Ill look into those areas

Where are you currently from?

Try getting a phd

not really. There is a shortage of good programmers at entry level, no matter the cost. It baffles me how people in this thread are saying it is hard to find a job after a CS degree. I literally can't find a single former classmate who doesn't have a job or earns below $150k/yr. Mind you, not in Silicon Valley. U

Masters is decent to have on your resume, but a Ph.D will severely limit your options

where are you? I will move anywhere and work 100 hours a week for 150k a year

Currently in Seattle (which isn't SV, but still considered somewhat not cheap). A lot of my friends live in Atlanta, tho there pay tends to be closer to $100-120k.

Also, mind you, that's cash. A close friend of mine just got a job at a big 4, but he still has one semester to go. His cash offer is $120k, but signing bonus is $100k, as well as $250k in stocks vested over 4 years. The good pay is out there, but you actually have to be good and not autistic. There are already plenty of autismos in engineering, so you have to be able to work with people.

But what about cyber security user

I have a friend, white male same as me. he got a good internship last year as software engineer at zillow. He's got a personal website with tons of projects he's been doing almost every season since 2015. imo getting alot of coding experience on your github / is good to show.

i mean if i was working at a tech place i would look for whoever had the most experience writing code, for practical applications. not just ' DUDE SUDOKU SOLVER LMAO ' something that actually serves a purpose like a library , contribution to open source project, etc

at least desu I'm in the same boat 100 sent 0 replies. These are things I'm working on to improve myself

Ever worked for Walmart? It's soul-wrenching

my dad did for 25 years

pic related is me right now but fuck it you really this.
COMPUTER ENGINEERING > COMPUTER SCIENCE
every fucking chink, pajeet, Neet programmer american stupidly thinks they can get a computer science degree and suddenly make it big but you are dead fucking wrong. that shit is saturated beyond repair and people are still wondering why they are living shitty lives in silicon valley.
our problem is not just shortage of programmers because a cheaply paid pajeet or chink can do that easy. Focus on web development and/or networking because that is where the real problem is starting to grow. America is falling way behind in infrastructure compared to other nations in due part to our massive landscape. Bandwidth is clogged to shit making It an absolute must to add more towers and lay more cable. If you are in need of a job right now go for a cable company and work the field for a while. the pay is fine enough to pay off college debts and make a living while you invest in a degree with more demand behind it like said networking/web development. Either two will allow you to put that neet programing skills to better use so you didn't waste a degree on a hobby. These people love certification and CCNA is godlike right now. Take security courses if need be so that you can look priceless to the man in the leather chair. Computer science is like a jack of all trades master of fucking nothing and you need to concentrate on a thing that these no nothing employers can actually mentally grasp. Something specific regarding what you actually want to do.
Muh company IT guy is not a fucking goal it is the death of somebody in the computing world doing nothing but changing out hard drives because some dumbass keeps downloading viruses from porn sites in his cubicle.
t.security department

Move to Finland. If you are skilled worker you have no problems to find a job.

same in the US user, don't let this board fool you. I think this thread speaks more about the skill of people on Sup Forums than about employment opportunities in the US as a CS graduate

My Uncle worked at Kroger for 22 years. He died a few months ago due to heart complications but retail absolutely contributed to that result.

I can't tell you how many absolutely retarded aerospace and electrical engineers I've met. I have a dual major in the god tier and several unreasonably large internships and even I'm having an such a hard time finding work in the software field that I'm a minimum wage shop machinist

i found the faget from columbus

how do people get a masters in CS and not know how to code? have hundreds of projects in their github? is this actually what happens or a meme?

this

you gotta spend the time to become a good programmer with demonstrated knowledge in applicable ways

he was probably in the union eh?

Nah nigga

dropout doing comptia A+ here, a-advice?

Not him, but A+ is extremely straight-forward. Get one of those all-in-one books for it and memorize it.

From there, research what path you wish to take from there.

t. "Some College, No Degree" applicant

Why are you recommending Computer Engineering if you're in IT? They are not at all related. CompEng is more closely related to a physics or EE degree than anything IT

comptia A+ is a fucking standard why the hell did you drop out?
get. the. fuck. back. in. there.

>but you actually have to be good and not autistic

what do you mean?
specially this
>not autistic

not SJW just don't understand.

It's the engineers that write these damn CCNA tests I have to retake regularly. best to at least minor in it to understand what the fuck they are asking you.

Get an internship faggot.

so much this.
trips of truth.

all the CCNA tests i've taken are pretty admin focused, which path are you in that you get into the actual "engineering" part of networking.

Move to the east coast, take a 6 to 12 month contract to hire position at a pajeet farm for 50-60k, build actual experience. Btw, at least here they'll try to use your internship against you by arguing that you shouldn't expect a massive bump above your previous pay. Only accept well paying internships, aim for at least 20-25/hr. But west coast should pay more depending on the area. Had a friend who had a paid internship making like 50/hr with housing compensation and free lunches. But it was in san fran

I seriously think a few of these posts that claim they applied to over 9000 jobs are LARPs, that or they're international

Anyways it's getting late and Seattle needs to sleep...

same here. i actually did not do engineering but it is something I am planning for. I like creating cool shit.

By not autistic, I mean a socially well-adjusted person who can interact with others and work well in a team. Someone who can take criticism as an opportunity to learn instead of as an attack. Someone who can help other people on the team. Just look at the whole NEET and "i will dropout, make apps (aka masturbate and play vidya in basement), and become a zucc; all great people dropped out of school" narrative. Those people aren't pleasant to work with.

Simply put, try to think about the kind of person you would want to work with, the kind that would make your life easier and allow you to perform your own job better.

As for skill, no one cares what specific stack you know, those change as the time goes, e.g., I personally got hired in a completely different area from where my knowledge was. However, good companies care about you learning shit quickly and on more than a surface level (which is why you might wanna know about memory management, compilers, OS design, etc., despite the fact that your job will be in webdev, for example).

All those people who whine "reeee, school is useless cause it teaches maths, but i wanna bang out shitty code instead", those are the people no one wants.

>LARPing as a jobless CS grad
next joke

I know at least three other people I graduated with that are working for less than 25/hour not in the field of CS who majored in CS three years post graduation

things aren't binary in this regard

i agree that the "i'll drop out and start coding" delusion is real and dangerous, but so is the "I need to go to college for 5 years in order to start coding" delusion. you need to approach it from a balanced position, you don't need to know everything to code and sometimes knowing too much can hinder you. rather than not learning math at all, or learning too much when it's not necessary for your job or project, learn it as you go when necessary and constantly improve your knowledge.

I was literally badgered into taking a job straight out of college, took only like a month. A recruiter called me up several times and demanded I drive a few hours for an immediate face to face interview. They literally liked the cut of my job like those boomer memes about a firm handshake and look in the eyes and the next day I got the job after a few questions about how I'd approach certain technical situations. They contracted me to a place not too far from the place I was living at the time, built good experience, and now I'm full-time at a bigger place. You'd have to be so autistic that even the recruiters can tell over the phone to not be able to get a job, especially right now with the big Trump h1b scare.

>comptia A+ is a fucking standard
what do you mean by this, is it useless? i figured it would get me some shit tier helpdesk job at least.

>why the hell did you drop out?
mostly i didn't have the discipline to do well ,also I can hack the CS stuff, but I definitely don't have the natural talent for it. I think I'll give it another go once I have some cash though.

>he fell for the degree meme
I spend 10x as much time on my own projects than on my computer ENGINEERING degree.

I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, for example, perhaps the economy or the market in a certain geographic region is not doing so well, but these posters that claim they applied to over 9000 jobs and heard NO response? I would at least believe if they had a recruiter but they did not pass the phone screenings for X amount of times (which sucks, but you learn and move on...)

I agree with this

I think its best to do the associates and then take a year or two off of school to make money, freelance, develop github profile, etc if you fail then do bachelors

>I spend 10x as much time on my own projects than on my computer ENGINEERING degree

Oh, absolutely agreed. On the other side of the coin are the kind of people who say stuff like "I just need to do really well in program, and that's all." If you do not have some kind of inherent curiosity for the topic that will encourage you to read fun stuff in your spare time, be in the loop on what's new and being educated in it, etc., you won't be that competitive either.

ah, so it's a motivation issue.
ok how about this, CompTIA A+ is meat and potatoes of IT and you are going to need it to at least look good on the resume.

but hold on. I feel like i'm putting the cart before the horse here.

let's restart everything and you tell us what exactly kind of job you are going for in IT.

If I was going to do CE I would rather get an EE and a masters/minor in CS

CE is the jack of all trades master of none degree. You cant even take the PE license to be a certified EE with a CE degree

I'm going for an entry level helpdesk job, which AFAIK is all comptia A+ is good for. From there I wanted to get my CCNA and become a sysadmin in a couple years.

>CE is the jack of all trades master of none degree.
According to some neet on Sup Forums maybe. What fucking uni doesn't allow you to specialize in a certain field? At my european uni we may make our CE degree exactly the same as a CS degree if we would want to

I had this same dilemma back when I was deciding between EE/CE and CS freshmen year. I perceived EE as being more prestigious than CS (and I still do), but I couldn't lie to myself and do something I hated. CS was the closest thing to what my interests were even though I hate the people and the meme CS has become.

my friends dads an EE who said CE is dumb, get EE with a minor in CS is better because you can be an EE with an EE but not an EE with a CE degree

i haven't had any problems getting positive reactions for EE positions as a CE

IMO it's still depends on the country you live at.
In my country, third world country, asian. I never heard something like that, despite I graduated from EE

You should check out Eli the Computer Guy, in short IT is not as lucurative as it once was but you should still be able to make a living. Also IT is becoming more "programmatic" (think AWS, SDN, etc.)