Why are Euros so butthurt at us?

Why are Euros so butthurt at us?

Like, come on, it's 2016. Build a bridge and get over it.

Can someone tell me what happened with apple and Ireland?

kek

good meme

We don't tax big companies like Apple or google properly in exchange for them setting up here, making infrastructure investments and employing people (employees who of course pay normal tax rates).

The EU Commission say this is state aid and illegal. Ireland's economy is dependent on deals like this, without deals like this we would be totally fucked. It wasn't until the 90's Ireland was in any way a decent country and that is because of deals like this.

So the EU has essentially decided to completely destroy the Irish economy because we make deals in our own country that benefit our own population. We're expected to be the only altruistic nation in the entire world for some reason.

will it actually "destroy" the irish economy?

Lots of job losses in these tax dodging companies will have a knock on effect reducing consumer spending and leading to futher job losses in businesses relying on that extra consumer spending. EU austerity already led to turning Ireland into a shithole.

Ireland is basically a country that allows rich people not to pay any taxes and Apple moves their money there

The EU gets mad about it and wants Apple to pay for it

Ireland gets mad because without all the criminals money their wealth would turn near to 0

>Can someone tell me what happened with apple and Ireland?
The EU basically made up a load of bullshit about how much Apple paid in tax in Ireland with no actual facts in a crude attempt to force us to change our tax laws.

The whole "Apple paid 0.005% in tax in 2014" shtick is what the EU is using, but Apple's CEO released a statement saying they paid $400 million in taxes that year, not the $50 something that the EU said they did.

Here comes the PIGS

This time, without Italy.

pay taxes

Normally companies pay taxes to put money back into the society and pay for all the different shit that costs money. Especially if they depend on infrastructure paid for by the state it's more than reasonable that they should AT LEAST cover expenses there.

But thanks to globalisation and the EU it works like this: companies can work and sell goods in a country, saturating the market and push local competitors, which would pay taxes and finance the state, out. And since their headquarters are in other countries they can just piss off with all the profits. Even better: not paying the taxes makes it impossible for honest competitors to offer the same service for the same price.

And Ireland has the wonderful business model of fucking over every single other EU country by enabling companies to steal from every single country and destroy competitors there. In short: Ireland accepts bribes, gives access to EU markets to circumvent taxes.

At least thats what you hear about the practices.

Solution:
>Leave EU
>Implement own tax system
>Prevent revenue diversion
>Set corporation tax rates comparable to that of Ireland
Incentives to do business there, promotion of competition, plus generation of revenues.

Sounds like a good reason to leave the EU

>At least thats what you hear about the practices.
The EU Commission pulled numbers out of thin air. Apple asserts it paid $400 million in 2014, the EU is saying they only paid like $50 million.

The EU is trying to make Ireland somehow responsible for taxes in the rest of Europe.

If an American comes to Ireland and works here for most of his life, then decides he wants to go to Berlin and work there for 3 months of the year. While there, however, he doesn't pay taxes on the money and instead sends it through his account in Ireland back to America.

Is the Irish Government responsible for collecting that tax due? No, absolutely not. We don't have jurisdiction over your tax laws just as you do not have jurisdiction in ours.

The EU's entire argument is that Ireland is responsible since he works here and sends his money through accounts here (which has absolutely no basis in fact or law).

Question: do you want to give us power to collect taxes in Germany and keeping them in Ireland?

>there are actually unironically people that STILL support the EU
what the fuck man WHY

Ireland gave Apple a special tax rate, now that's not illegal but what was illegal that they didn't give that special rate to any other companies.

imagine if war broke out between Europe and like, anywhere else

some unity is necessary, a bond is there to make sure you don't have one country slitting the other country's throat in the face of European war against Russia or USA

which you know

IS SO LIKELY

The reason those jobs are here in the first place is because of our access to the markets but I guarantee you, if these cunts keep fucking trying to force us to do shit, we'll pull out and happily sit in the EFTA. EU migrants don't bother us (the entire argument as to why Britain won't get free access to the market) so it's not like they can do shite.

>the irish were getting asshurt about brexit not too long ago

I mean, Ireland cherrypicked the companies they wanted to tax a 0.005% and let every other company pay the regular 12%. Most countries have laws against this.
If you're planning to lower your taxes to seduce companies, at least do it for everyone of them, don't work secret and ilegal deals

>gave Apple a special tax rate
Apple, the Government, the Revenue Commission and most companies here dispute that. The entire profit shifting structures was based on the -American- end of the tax agreements between us (which are now closed and we've signed a new tax deal with Washington recently).

>what is NATO

>dying for your neighbours when they try to fuck with you every god damn year

this
start new empires
make new civilization
rebuild
none of that panzy "We are all friends" shit

Wait, the Irish are unironically assmad that they aren't allowed to fuck up competition by giving their own companies state aid? This applies to every country in the internal market.

>le job creators meme
kys retard

No, we're mad that the EU thinks we're somehow responsible for collecting taxes in the rest of Europe. If you don't like Apple not paying taxes in your country, fucking charge them taxes or change the law, don't bitch at us to collect it for you.

Do you think Ireland should have the right to collect taxes on stuff sold in Denmark?

We don't. It's a half handed grab at tax harmonisation and breaking European agreements which placed tax under national sovereignty.

Eirxit when?

This wouldn't work had you not been in the EU. You're exploiting that position and fucking over everyone else, so give me a break with your little sob story.

The EU helped you when your economy tanked. The structural weakness which partly caused it was created precisely with deals like this.

Why should big mainland European countries (that are also the actual markets for these corporations to make money in) be altruistic and not cuck you out of your tax haven status? They let you have a couple of good decades at least.

300,000 people are employed by foreign companies here. That's more than your entire country's work force you fucking Finno-Russian rape baby.

>The EU helped you when your economy tanked
Our economy tanked because we couldn't fucking devalue our currency, or raise interest rates, and we had to fucking bail out German, British and French banks.
Fuck off pretending like you helped us. We saved Europe from fucking imploding, if we hadn't taken the bullet for you cunts, Belgium would be worse off than poxy Greece right now.

>We saved Europe from fucking imploding

lol

I don't have a problem making deals in your own country with multinational corporations. If it was just an issue regarding your country nobody would give a shit if you tax them 0'00001%+free blowjob by Saoirse or 99%. The thing is that 'your' deal enables them to operate in the entire EU without paying any moneys except a few pennies to you.

Please kindly proceed to Irexit and make the kind of blowjob deals you want with mega-corporations, for operating in the Irish market only, ofc.

Classic EU trying to put its foot down thinking it's as big as the USA. I don't like the Americlaps but it's true. The EU is just power tripping retards, too bad their policies isolate its members and they can just up and leave this union that is replicated nowhere in the world except Europe. Federalisation soon so the pee-wee countries can feel like they're part of something big and the EU can think it can compete with USA and China :^)

We can't simply "change our laws" to allow for taxation of Apple in our countries, since the taxation system is regulated by international treaties/agreements as well. Those treaties are what decide where an international company pays its taxes, not national law.

The only reason you can leech off of Danish welfare right now Ahmed is because we kept Belgium, France and Germany from imploding.

>The thing is that 'your' deal enables them to operate in the entire EU without paying any moneys except a few pennies to you.
Name the law saying Ireland is responsible for collecting taxes in Spain.

The US is already on our side on this.

>get a load of this potato nigger

Pay denbts

>those treaties are what decide where an international company pays its taxes, not national law.
Tax laws are placed under national sovereignty and each country negotiates its own agreements. If you cunts are too lazy to negotiate new deals (which we've done with the US to close the loopholes on their end of the agreements), that's your fucking problem.

I look forward to us slapping the shit out of the Commission in the European Courts.

>The US is already on our side on this.

Big fucking surprise. If Apple has to pay more taxes in Ireland (or the EU in general), they can deduct that in the US. The most hilarious statement made by the US Treasury Department was that it decried how the EU Commission is "turning into an international tax authority", which is exactly what they themselves are.

>pay denbts
Suck some of this Gaelic cock and maybe we won't buy your country yet.

NATO does that, not the EU. Also, none of those Europoor countries contribute their fair share to NATO. We as AMERICANS shouldn't have to pay tax dollars to prevent Europoors from killing each other.

Except Apple operates with its EU headquarters in Ireland and uses transfer pricing to avoid taxation in other EU countries.That's the reason this kind of special deal fucks over competition.

>European war against the USA
Why in fuck would that ever happen? Are you high?

>That's the reason this kind of special deal fucks over competition.
So then... Change your tax laws. I'm quite sure you can negotiate a new tax agreement with us or the Americans considering we've closed whatever loopholes we could through legislation from on our end and then we negotiated a new agreement with the Americans to close the ones on their end.

We're not responsible for collecting taxes in your countries.

sop they pulled a Switzerland, those fucking paddies? motherfuckers

Shit, even go and complain to the OECD since it's their guidelines we followed, but you sure as piss aren't setting a precedent of interfering in national tax agreements.

it's the final stage of the jews' plan to destroy caucasians

Because the EU is a communist organization that is butthurt about competition.

There's this thing called fiscal harmonization. The idea behind it is that all EU countries play under about the same tax levels for societies as for fairplaying the game, so that no cheeky cunt country takes dastardly advantage of the competition and becomes a haven for multinationals looking to operate in a market of 500M consumers while headquartering in some rat country that taxes them peanuts for it.

That's called being an opprtunistic cunt, you west brit.

You want your own deals with mega-corporations? Fine. But involving your country (3M people) and not other countries. You have your sovereignnity ofc, but hey, we all have ours too. We too. And this is a fucking rip-off. You want to be a cheeky cunt? Fine, proceed to Irexit and cut the deals you want with them. There's the door, please hurry up with leaving.

Supposing they're still intetested in staying in a country of just 3M niggas and no access to the European market from there.

2 world wars and they need a 3rd to finally finish them off? The Jews don't seem very competent

First of all, as I've already said, changing our own tax laws does nothing. Secondly, if Ireland negotiates new taxation agreements with all of the EU countries, the whole point of their big corporation dick sucking will be gone, and those companies will no longer see any benefit in situating themselves in Ireland since they can't dodge taxes in all the other countries.

are the jews being outjew'd

the american jews sure are up in arms about it, at least

>The idea behind it is that all EU countries play under about the same tax levels for societies as for fairplaying the game

read: I think the EU should control national tax laws despite them having absolutely no legal basis for this because I think that's just how it should be n sheeit

Ireland already lost manufacturing jobs in Dell to cheaper countries like Poland and the Baltics. If we had the exact same tax rate, nobody would ever set up here simply because our wage rate is higher.

>You have your sovereignnity ofc, but hey, we all have ours too. We too.
So then stop whining to us about your incompetence when it comes to attracting FDI and go fucking do something about your situation.

I get that you're pissy about us "cheating" (according to the Commission which has pulled numbers out of their asshole) when you fuckers have huge unemployment but it's not responsibility to collect taxes in fucking Spain, nor does the EU have the right to say we are.

>changing our own tax laws does nothing
It did for us, and so instead you think the EU should have the power to compel us to collect taxes in Denmark? Kek get bent you pinko fuck.

The EU has absolutely NO JURISDICTION in this matter, and the Commission is going to get fucking stomped on when this goes to the courts (because it most definitely will).

Exciting times.

Yeah, we cherry picked countries that would make a bigger contribution to our country by giving us jobs and building infrastructure, more than we would have gotten if they paid the full 12.5%.

Pissing off whiny Eurocunts is one thing but managing to get corporate America pissed off at them is too fucking perfect.
Well done Ireland.

The thing is that 26 countries out of 27 operate in good will in relation to the common free market that allows companies to headquarter in one and operate in all as apposed to having to fucking headquarter in all and pay taxes in all.

I think if 26 out of 27 agree with this pretty fucking reasonable format by leveling the playing game regarding societal taxation, then the one cunt that wants to take advantage of the format and extort the rest can either a)fuck off right away or b)adapt to the format.

It's not the rest of the countries the ones that have to adapt to you or fuck up the common market system as it is now.

So a or b, west brit.

Why are the Eurocries so butthurt about all this?
Whats stopping you from setting up shop in Ireland yourself?

>I think if 26 out of 27 agree with this
Hahahahahahhaha fuck off

The Netherlands and Luxembourg got slammed as tax havens with this Commission shite and Belgium is in the firing line too.

You think we're the only ones who do this? Every fucking country in Europe does it you moronic pox.

The fucking Germans were accused of industrial espionage on French companies in order to give the information to America


Hahahahahahaha
you are fucking deluded you shitskin motherfucker

So? Netherlands are Luxembourg are notorious usury and jewery centers, they cheated with the income revenue tax from corporation sales outside and got caught and slammed.

And now you'll get slammed for operating dirty a la carte tax deals with the megacorporations that put money in your pockets for being mafia tier, west brit.

>And now you'll get slammed
No we won't, the Commission is on shaky legal ground -at best- and has no ability to affect our tax system :)

Go cry somewhere else, brown skin.

Did you even think before posting that?

Come join us in freedom, Ireland, you know you never really belonged in the EU anyway...

>this West Brit thinks he can get away with applying cheeky special tax types to some corps and different ones to others.

You know what would be fun?. All EU countries (except Ireland) pulling out of the EU at 1200 hours then signing an identical new one at 1201 hours just with a slightly different name. Without West
Britain in it, ofc. :)

Muh national sovereignity allows for it, paddy. :)

Did you?
Why don't you move your business to Ireland yourself and enjoy the same tax benefits?
How can every multinational corporation understand and take advantage of low tax rates, but you cant?

>0.005% tax rate JUST for Apple

A bit cheeky, tbqh. Selling shit all over EU and dodging all taxes by the blessing o' old Leprechaun.
If you don't want to play by the rules, get out of the single market.

1. What is a tax haven?
2. What if one particular "tax haven" has agreed on and signed multiple treaties considering this kind of practice, and then breaks the rules it has agreed upon? Even if they'd not be legally binding, at least it should be clear to any sane person with an IQ of at least over 80 why there is a public outrage.

>Whats stopping you
Way off the point of the cause of the outrage.
But what's stopping you from transferring your fortune into a tax haven? Nothing. It's not illegal, if not very admirable either.

Not even sure why I bothered to answer, tbqh.

Ireland has had an amazing history of standing up for socialism and the common man, then you feckers ruin it by sucking apple and amazon's cock.

And now you act sad because of it, irish sugar and the state run shitstorm of the 70s is much better than being lackeys of billionaires depriving wealth from nations.

its not fair its not right and its not irish.

t. jew