Debian Stable is the only workstation OS you need if you are a serious software developer, and ipso facto an advanced computer user, who is developing for Linux, embedded, web, or performing computational science, or research into anything relating computers or computation.
This is not arguable.
Debian wants to be the "universal OS" but the fact is that yes it could be, but OSX just has them beat on the laptop. That said, I installed Debian Stretch today on my workstation, replacing ubuntu, and it was the first time I was genuinely excited by an OS since getting good at OSX. Ask me why.
I used Debian for 15 years and it was indeed the universal operating system. Of course, because of its substantial market share it had to be infiltrated with NSA/systemd which makes it unusable for private information.
To bad Devuan is pretty dead because Debian without systemd is the best OS out there. I use antiX as desktop now. My NAS runs Devuan until I find something better.
Jaxon Wilson
I am enjoying my reasonobly up to date, but execptionally stable packages in my system core.
For any extras, I just install from the Sid repo.
no point in staying cucked by ancient packages when it's not necessary, but it's just as stupid to upgrade to stuff that will break your development machine
Jonathan Cox
Why not Devuan, or Linux Mint 17.3 ? What's easier for a n00b like me?
Carter Clark
gamer baby detected
I don't need anything more than feature complete working versions with the latest security patches. Guess what? That's Debian Stable.
Jose Long
Because I want the real deal
Gabriel Morris
>What's easier for a n00b like me? Mint. Devuan is for people who don't like systemd.
William Reed
I use Windows 7
Aaron Harris
I'll go install it on my laptop
Kayden Myers
That's fine, but our software is only supported on RHEL and CentOS, so that's where I develop. Gentoo user at home...
Tyler Clark
What kernel does it come with...!?
Logan Parker
>RHEL and CentOS what stack is it using that can't be run on any other GNU OS?
Jace Davis
NT :3
Wyatt Hill
why would anyone run an old smelly kernel
even debian 9 has 4.9
Matthew Howard
>Gnome Not even once. Also, Fedora has better packages.
Jayden Walker
>linex You're only supposed to take that when you have problems with your stomach, like diarrhea.
Ryan Davis
better in the sense that they are insidious additions to any stable development machine that requires a defined, unchanging set of functionality
Kevin Morgan
Just more stuff in general that I use. On Debian I've had to download .deb files and install them manually but I've never had to download a .rpm for Fedora. It's all in the repos.
Adam Jones
Installation via RPMs, real-time data acquisition via in-house developed C code. It *may* work on another stack, but we can't support it. You have to limit your options at some point; also for mil/official compatibility.
Jose Kelly
>letting someone decide which packages get installed on your system >no AUR on debian yea I'll just stick with my arch install thanks
Luis Reed
but nodejs and sql packages are old as fuck user
Chase Kelly
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Brody Cruz
Wasn't Debian testing the way to go? Heard it runs stable and also has the latest stuff on it, even though they call it testing. Well I read it here, so it's a possibility that some guys just tell bullshit the whole day.
Jonathan Johnson
>debian unstable >stable? dude...
Brayden Smith
their policy on proprietary drivers is retarded. They cant manuall patch or do anything to nvidia blobs, yet they wont give users multiple version choices like uboongo, because fuck new hardware and fuck you if you have a problem with the specific version, go install a .run package (but fuck you if you are installing a .run package) Other than its a solid distro, solid 9/10
Jeremiah Mitchell
>systemd
Noah Lee
>their policy on proprietary drivers is retarded >proprietary drivers are retarded FTFY
Hunter Powell
>800+ MiB just running the DE
UWOTM8
Bentley Hughes
It's shit. Debian's idea of stable is "we didn't get any bug reports".
Problem with that is, there aren't a lot of linux users looking for bugs in the first place, and even fewer deviating from a few common configurations, usually the defaults, which are shit, or i3+urxvt, which is shit. The end result is an OS which isn't actually all that stable when it really counts. Also, they're freetards (communists) and this is AMERICA.
So I use RHEL.
bonus Debian: wants to be upstream, can't be, patches remain debian specific Redhat: IS upstream
Brandon Lewis
>Debian's idea of stable is "we didn't get any bug reports". What?!? No!
Debian's idea of stable is not to update packages to other major version so you don't face problems while keeping your system up to date.
Leo Fisher
Ive just moved to debian its great apart from I'm having trouble launching things with gksu can anyone help? When the gksu prompt loads up I can't click the input field so it doesn't let me enter a password only the cancel and okay buttons works. Although everyone shits on gnome I think its a pretty nice de
Landon Wood
>Debian's idea of stable is "we didn't get any bug reports". They actually backport security patches from newer versions of supported packages. Their idea of stable is that the package version stays the same feature-wise, and gets only security and bug related fixes.
Christopher Collins
>Redhat: IS upstream and that's why you are a perpetual beta (tester)
Thomas Ramirez
Debian Testing is more stable than Debian Unstable, but it doesn't receive security updates and upstream updates take longer to be released for Testing than for Unstable.
Testing still doesn't have the Meltdown patch, for instance. And it makes sense, since Testing is not supposed to be used in workstations or production machines, only to develop and test the next version of Debian.
Levi Morales
This. Software testing is important and necessary but not on a machine that needs to get shit done, thanks. Bleeding edge can be fun on a desktop but for a "Universal Operating System" this is unacceptable.
Joseph Scott
Post comfy debians desktops senpais, what terminal can i get to have a clear background
Angel Barnes
budgie is buggy, but your waifu is pretty
Justin Myers
my bad, that's just a dock
Anthony Cruz
Your blog post was alright man.
Samuel Sullivan
>what terminal can i get to have a clear background That won't help readability, fa.m
Jackson Barnes
>Devuan is pretty dead
It's actively developed.
Jack Reyes
>Ask me why. Why won't you tell that without asking? Afraid it will be deemed as a blogpost?
Jose Collins
I hope. I like it a lot. I'm just a bit worried Devuan is still at Jessie.
Sebastian Davis
>Made with New Technology Technology
Josiah Robinson
>mouse sensitivity slider does nothing It might be my PS/2 mouse but this is not acceptable in 2018.
Oliver Ward
>7398MB
Wyatt Long
systemd sucks
Cameron Murphy
What is debian testing? What is sid? Debian stretch added 15k packages
Joshua Ramirez
Dunno if I should switch from Linux Mint. Came from Manjaro before, but got fed up with updates constantly breaking shit on my w520
Jose Wood
I switched from Ubuntu to Debian and I never went back.
The only other 'nix I occasionally use now is freebsd. Debian dropped support for pentium 1 and 486.
Henry Diaz
if you're tired of some update breaking your shit as a result of half-assed quality control then debian stable is the os for you. anything else and you might as well be running windows
Jordan Gonzalez
>plebian >gnome >systemd
Just kys, my man.
Landon Stewart
I did the same, love it.
Logan Robinson
>Linux GNU/Linux >OSX macOS
Lucas Evans
Sorry for beeing alive. Ah thanks for clearing that up.
Brayden Peterson
That sounds reasonable. Alright, I’ll do it.
Chase Robinson
>using a distro that rapes upstream software with a gorillion patches No thanks.
Michael Hernandez
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Julian Harris
>Serious developer >Not using alphas or RCs to detect breaking changes in packages you depend on and giving useful feedback on new features
William Gray
I tried Debian I tried Archlinux I tried Manjaro xfce I even tried fucking gentoo I'm currently trying ubuntu
I never found a distro that had an actual balance between "it work" and "it's not bloated". Ubuntu work but is fucking bloated to death, I'm considering as a last resort some kind of netinstall.
Debian doesn't work. Archlinux doesn't work. Nothing fucking work. I love linux for dev, but if only it worked. I'm fucking done doing sysadmin all day to have something that just fucking work. I want to develop softwares, not fucking around with my OS to have basic stuff like working sounds.
Windows is even more bloated so it's not an option, and discussing it with colleague made me actually consider buying an overpriced piece of apple shit to actually have an OS I'm confortable working with.
Please send help
Chase Evans
Install Gentoo.
Josiah Sanders
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Jose Powell
hackintosh
Daniel Howard
What you say is true, but you can say this for almost any distro.
Once you get past the initial stage of excitement that comes with being new to Linux and distro-hopping a lot, you realize that most distros are pretty much the same shit. The only major difference would be the package manager. The pre-installed desktop doesn't matter because you can get any DE on any distro.
Logan White
MacOS
Brandon Jones
buy an apple man
Adrian Walker
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Joseph Powell
Get the FUCK out Debian soyboys
Debian is a distro for people who don't know what they're doing
Liam Gray
I always thought that about Ubuntu.
Nolan Stewart
>ipso facto Why do people on Sup Forums try to confuse me with these weird words?
Jack Rogers
Ubuntu is just a pre-riced Debian.
Anthony Jones
>but OSX Oh... It's one of THESE threads
Carson Wilson
That's not Ubuntu LTS, mate
Juan Brown
I love debian, the only reason Im not using it is because it doesnt have a good equalizer. And that is something I need. If i could get Pulseaudio Equalizer on debian I would switch in a heartbeat.
Dylan Morgan
Here you go, lad Work in progress but I like it
Juan Walker
Cleaner workspace here
Nicholas Cook
We do have that
Samuel Richardson
wish there was a debian fork with openrc and libressl
It's spelled "plebeian", plebeian. >Get the FUCK out Debian soyboys "Get the FUCK out of Debian, soyboys." Note the vocative comma. comma.guide/vocative-comma/
Anthony Lee
>systemd Go away.
Jason Wright
Enjoy your broken packages Arch nigger
Christian James
>using 1200mb of ram already after just 5 minutes of normal usage jesus fucking christ my boy i have like, 12 tabs of firefox open, weechat w/ bitlbee, and my Sup Forums terminal client all running under i3 and polybar and I'm using 1300mb of RAM. I could easily cut it down to 400mb if I just close firefox. You need to fucking stop using dumb shit.
Christopher Carter
>Fedora doesn't have packages FTFY, especially true for workstations
This Just do it, even Ubuntu 17.04 shipped with a then broken kernel (4.10).
TempleOS
Charles Sanders
Debain has an openrc package and you can easily remove systemd (there's even a package called systemd-must-die and if you want to do it yourself, all you have to do is install openrc, sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils along with wicd before you do remove systemd). It doesn't have libressl, which is a bummer though.
Joshua Roberts
But Debian just werks. What's wrong with it?
Noah Morales
Use a Jack server and calf plugins. Really worth initial effort on setting your soundcard parameters.
1080ti drivers refuse to work i have a ryzen 1700x ubuntu for me, it just werkz
Angel Thompson
>systemd just delet it without-systemd.org
Charles Murphy
Many thanks!
Jacob Baker
>mfw debian's repo is almost 9x the size of Fedora repo
Owen Price
>wanting your precisely tuned machine you use to develop software other than the debian OS to break
do you even understand what's going on here?
Ryder Martinez
>Once you get past the initial stage of excitement that comes with being new to Linux and distro-hopping a lot, you realize that most distros are pretty much the same shit. The only major difference would be the package manager. The pre-installed desktop doesn't matter because you can get any DE on any distro.
I have distrohopped. I started using ubuntu as my work station at work for a few years, but I've just run into so many problems because they like to pull the rug out from under their power users, and yeah I was using LTS before you try to wisecrack.
CentOS is a bit too old, but I use it on my server. Debian stable is the perfect balance of being reasonably up to date (works with all my tool chains), feature rich, and stable. like i said i just install my browser from the Sid repo
