If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >G4560/G4600 - non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming (especially the i5 8400) or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 1600) >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Consider Vega 56 for a Freesync monitor >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
Only have £700, I posted this a few months ago, but I've had some setbacks so I should be able to get around to ordering the parts in the next week or two. Is there anything I should change? I'm unsure about the SSD, I had a spare 1TB HDD for storage, but I think it's starting to die. Therefore am I better off still buying the SSD and then buying a 3TB HDD in a month or so or should I do the opposite? Ignore the additional fan and PSU, I'm getting different ones of both I just can't find them on PCP. Also have a monitor and my keyboard/mouse will do for the time being.
Computer is falling to shit, I use it for gaming and using the interporns should I go 8700k or 1800x because they’re the same price.
Landon Baker
I make $3000 a month mining and game on my laptop. Don't waste your valuable desktop gpu gaming.
Jose Lewis
what's the cheapest second-hand 8 core xeon I should be looking for with DDR4 Ram support for virtualisation?
Nicholas Anderson
Get the 1700 and OC it to 1800X levels. You won't be able to OC the 1800X for shit. Now you magically have 100 dollars.
Julian Morgan
let's say my pc died and all the components are 5+ years old and i need a full upgrade and i'm planning on overclocking with the multiplier and intending to encode+stream pc games on one system
is the 1700x worth it over the 1700? is 3200 RAM worth it over 3000 or 2667? is CL14 that much better than CL16? what motherboard should i get if i don't give a shit about storage speed or flashy gamer memes, but want good gaming and audio?
Adrian Jones
whats the current state of g4600?
Colton Gutierrez
if you overclock not really, if you don't then yes. yes, but ram prices are fucked so 2666 and above is fine. just don't get shit speed. yes the lower the cl the better, esp for ryzen. you could get a b350 as long as it has all the features you need. when I built my sister's computer I used a b350 because it was cheaper and had all the baubles that I wanted. x370 isn't worth it in my opinion, but you might want it. if you're actually concerned with audio just get a dac.
Nolan Bennett
is micro atx a meme/dying out? i cant find too many cool looking "ricer" mobos that fit that standard
Austin Campbell
Can't answer much but 1700 can be overclocked to even 1800x levels so you can get that for cheaper while getting a performance difference of like 1-5% compared to 1800x. Fast RAM obviously beneficial for CPU's, but theres a limit before it starts giving diminishing returns; go with 3000mhz
Aiden Gutierrez
Get a 1700 .. it decently cheaper, comes w/ a cooler, and it can OC w/ stock cooler. I have mine OC'd to 3700 just fine. Go w/ 3000 CL14/15/16 (the lower the CL the better). 3200 might not even work and it only runs at CL16. I have 3200 CL14 top tier G.Skill and it's unstable so I have it running at 3000 CL14 .. That's on a higher tier Asrock X370 board.
Audio is just fine on most modern mobos.. they have optical out and premium audio components w/ solid electronic noise isolation.. > See the same format on all mobos w/ the sound component in the bottom left hand side of the mobo isolated (largely sound blaster premium audio) w/ quality caps
Noah Miller
So I'm building this pc, riser cards are coming in the mail Soon™. I got the white ones from Corn Electronics. Once they get here I can fit a card into them and drill the mounting holes for the upper shelf. I only have hand tools, everything's been cut with a hacksaw and chamfered with a file. The frame rails are trimmings from a bathroom counter lol, they renovated a bathroom at work and I saw these 4 foot lengths of the stuff in the trash. Yoink!
Ryan Perez
does it share the same chip hardware as the 1700x and 1800x? as in, are they just binned differently and essentially all hit the same overclocking wall and only separate themselves across a large number of average users?
the 1700X is about a +10% cost over the 1700 so i wonder, but i'm comfortable with multiplier OC and a 24/7 forced OC, and memory timings and voltages
i just want to be absolutely sure
>ram prices are fucked but is 3200 worth it over 2667 if you're gaming and rendering/streaming simultaneously?
>if you're actually concerned with audio just get a dac. i just want to get a decent onboard soundcard so i can avoid dropping $200 on another PCI slot
I put rubber supports in strategic places to keep the mobo from flexing too much when plugging things in. It has white leds underneath so it looks freaking awesome. I goofed when I bought it though, it can only run 4 cards max. I also goofed when I chose the cards I'm putting in it, the evga 1080ti ftw3, those don't play nice with msi afterburner so you have to use evga precision x, which can only control 4 cards, so it's kind of a synergistic mistake.
Joshua Young
yeah they're almost exactly the same. 1700 can easily go to 1700x levels, but if you're unlucky you might not be able to reach 1800x levels.
if you literally don't care about money then yeah it's better. but not very much.
yeah I don't care about audio at all so I can't personally help you there. as long as it's loud enough and doesn't fuck up i'm good.
Ian Peterson
Meanwhile, the cards I already have are working to earn their brothers and sisters :^)
Charles Collins
I pretty much have all of my parts sans GPU (coming this Weds) and Case (Define R6 pre-order). If the R6 pre-order doesn't go through, what's a good alternative case to order? I'll be using a NH-D15 cooler so the case would need to fit that.
Dominic Sanchez
1700 and a cooler it is since i can use that cooler on a ryzen+ processor
Hey reddit (Kappa) I have a budget around 500euros to buy new motherboard, cpu and RAM. At first I thought to buy something like ryzen 5 or i5 at ~200 euros. But then I thought I have old 3gb gtx660 videocard, it's still alive and kicking, but should I buy cheaper cpu and find some +100eur and get a better videocard?
Lucas Gonzalez
excluding the case where you've loaded your system with shitware software that loads when you boot and reloads when you kill it >newegg listing doesn't say a fucking thing about the motherboard take it apart replace the motherboard with something that's worth anything for people who play games get a USB driver/software reformat action going for reinstalling your probably-OEM windows on a monthly basis save up for a Ryzen CPU+MOBO+RAM plus Windows unless intel kills amd in the next year but even then intel are jews
Nolan Sanders
Depending on your motherboard, using m.2 slots can use up pci-e lanes. Fwiw though, some mobos use pci-e lanes for sata connections as well so ymmv. Performance boosts from m.2 drives are small to non-existent compared to a sata ssd, for most use cases.
Eli Jenkins
So my laptop broke and I'm thinking of buying a new PC in july, already have a decent monitor Mark is $1k, any suggestions for a prebuilt or built one for myself? I'm a brainlet in this computer thingy
Michael Richardson
> recommending jewtel when meltdown patch rapes performance > recommending intel-aviv when retpoline patch due in shortly comes in for seconds > recommending ryzen when ryzen 2 is around the corner op is a bundle of sticks
Parker Kelly
I should add the additional problem of heat accumulation/dissipation. An ssd in a mounting bracket probably has 1/2 inch of airspace all around it as well as decent airflow. An m.2 drive tucked underneath your gpu is not going to be able to cool off as well.
Evan James
what user
will a ssd fix my problems or not? i might as well just build an entire new pc for what you just said
Liam Morgan
you should
the fact that you were asking "how to fix this" rather than "what to build" implied you wanted to sit on this for a few months
you are definitely better off building a new AM4/DDR4 system
Owen Turner
The OP's of /pcbg/ are paid shills. It's literally their job to keep these threads up and encourage hardware fanboyism because it helps sales.
Ryan Allen
and an SSD probably won't do much at all for your current setup, it's only good for software loading times
Bentley Bennett
thats not in my budget though, is my processor bad too?
i thought an i7 was fine, why isnt just adding a SSD good?
Robert Cooper
last op i saw actually called out meltdown and spectre flaws. point is intel chips are fucked. threadripper is hit by the retpoline patch but normal ryzen cpus are not. it makes zero sense to spend money on a gimped intel chip right now.
William Smith
isnt that my problem?
Evan Gonzalez
He's saying your computer runs like shit because you're dumb and put stupid things on it. A new drive will only help until you fill it with more dumb shit. You should reinstall windows, nothing will help you your computer run faster than that. Backup your game saves and anything you want to save (meaning put them on a flash drive or something) and wipe your slate clean.
Hunter Turner
the CPU is good enough for now, but the rest is probably horrible, of course controlling for you not loading your system with dumb software, and the rest of the hardware is mediocre to insufficient
that's why you should call it a wrap and put together a new system
Luke Ramirez
Thanks user, I've been meaning to do that.
Do I need to repurchase windows or anything? Is there a name for what this is called? I'm in college and want to keep it as cheap as possible, probably going to just buy a gaming laptop in 3 years or so
Kayden Clark
SSD only improves load times, it's core for a new build because you put your OS on SSD and suddenly you boot in 8 seconds
when software is running your system starts to stutter
Nicholas Campbell
>I'm in college something something student loans ;^) but don't actually do that, it's better to pay that shit back ASAP by eliminating expenditures for the year >probably going to just buy a gaming laptop in 3 years or so you shouldn't be here
Luke Bell
Is Threadripper fucked by spectre and or meltdown?
Alexander Gutierrez
Any possible way to get a GTX 1070-1080ti for around MSRP? Not a miner, just wanted to upgrade my PC.
Should I be looking intently/buying at the first notification I get or will these prices drop down soon? This is seriously ridiculous.
Gabriel Barnes
No. None of the AMD products are affected.
Brayden Williams
As long as you have your windows product ID, you can punch it in during installation and it will be the same activated legit copy of windows you already have. I'd switch to 7 from 8, personally, but that's just me. I still do the 7/daz install on my machines, even kaby lake can accept 7 if you unplug all the usb ports during installation.
Tyler Wright
>Do I need to repurchase windows or anything?
if you have windows 10 the key is registered to your motherboard so you can reinstall windows as many times as you want without buying it again. Just go to the microsoft website and search for "media creation tool"
prebuilts might have them for msrp, but you have to buy the whole thing.
Thomas Sanchez
I do think I have lots of shit on my PC slowing me down.
Whenever it's just WoW, my PC runs pretty smooth but if I add Chrome or anything else it makes my PC slow as fuck
Is 10 that bad? and do I just google how to do a completely new fresh install?
Cameron Moore
Buy used. When most customers are willing to pay a 20-30% premium there's no reason for retailers not to charge that much.
Parker Campbell
chrome should not lag WOW of all games, it's designed to be low-spec
i have a 3770k PC that died two months ago, and i could have multiple chrome and firefox windows, and a video, and a game, and a stream encode, and music playing all at the same time and nothing lagged in any meaningful way
you need to build your own PC
Julian Davis
yeah google's your friend for things like this. 10 can be installed from a flash drive so I hear, I've never done it though. You'd get the stuff to put on the flash drive straight from microsoft, don't ever ever use an "Activated Legit Windows Ultimate" torrent or something like that, they're all malware.
Aaron Foster
So... If Asus is shitty, assrock sucks, msi is hot monkey garbage, and gigabyte is terrible too, which brand graphics card should I get? Seems like evga is the only one no one talks shit about
Eli Davis
Thinking of upgrading my processor to a 1700x using tax returns
current specs in pic related. Would it be a waste of money? Im currently only using it for gaming. Will i see performance boost?
Dominic Baker
is the Acer predator still the best gsync monitor?
any new ones on the horizon this year?
William Garcia
Or KFA2, by your logic.
Lincoln Wood
Is making a threadripper at this point stupid?
Lincoln Roberts
maybe
Cameron Gomez
OKAY ive been here a lot for the past couple weeks but im slowly progressing. My current problem is that my computer will turn on but it wont display anything on a working monitor using hdmi or vga cables. Any suggestions?
Carson Moore
Where should I look for good monitors?
Jonathan Hill
Post parts list and a picture of where you plugged in the monitor.
Leo Jackson
Turn on the monitor.
Christian James
how much did you pay for it, user?
Anthony Smith
Anyone currently using an Asrock AB350m Pro 4 motherboard ? Been hearing a lot of bad shit about it freezing recently. Anyone here has this issue ?
Nolan Rivera
i plugged the monitor into the motherboard and the gpu. Its on
Parts list: B85-g 2.0 motherboard Msi something gpu (got from a friend) Evga 400w psu i5 processor 320gb digital western hd thermaltake case
Joseph Reed
Oh and 6 gbs of ddr3 ram i got from an old computer
Luke Torres
>2TB HDD 7200 rpm for home use/gaming Should I go for Western Digital or Seagate?
Been a while since I had to buy new HDDs and I don't really know if WD is still as good as they used to be. I just don't want the HDD to crap out on me after 2 years.
Leo Phillips
Hey guys in the last thread I gathered that Asrock and MSI have shit mobos. Is the GA-AB350-Gaming 3 decent?
Julian Young
If I were you I'd go as high as a 1600X for gaming. If you were doing anything else on the side then I'd say get the 1700X.
Gavin Sanders
I might do some Virtual machine stuff later on for college
Adrian Morris
i think ill just get an ssd then and make it my boot drive
>$940 for a GTX 1070 Holy fuck it has gotten out of control. I got mine for $425.
Austin Kelly
With the current prices of gpus and ram, I'm thinking about going with a prebuilt, but I don't know where to get it from. Which ones have good PSUs and mobos?
Jordan Morales
>tax returns The 2700x will probably be out by then and will overclock higher.
Parker Adams
Sup Forums is filled with shills. Rlly pisses me off
Christopher Thompson
Make a non shill OP when this goes in to auto sage. Usually takes 2-4 hours before a new one is made so you'll have plenty of opportunity to do that.
Owen Rogers
Huh... I mean... you COULD just not overclock them and run more cards... depends on what benefits you more.
What you planning on mining?
Jayden Wood
Is second hand RAM a bad idea?
Josiah Reed
Alright /pcbg/, which one of you posted this?
Camden Anderson
Do you trust the person? Did they test it?
If yes and yes... sure.
If no and/or no... oh fuck no.
Sebastian Cox
/biz/ here, do you Sup Forumsuys have any specific guidelines on building a mining rig? Thanks
Leo Reed
If I run them wide open they'll see 80c, too much for me. Also they'll pull roughly 250-275 watts apiece which x4 is too close to my 1200 watt power supply's limit. You over clock the memory mostly, and turn down the power and get nearly double the efficiency. Without precision x running my hashrate is about 170 for close to double the wattage and the upper card goes over 80c. MSI afterburner can't run the memory and power fans on the ftw3, it runs the gpu fan only because the icx cards have 9 thermal sensors instead of just one, and evga won't let people mess with their bios. And I'm not saying what I mine :^) I'm sure you understand.
Camden Morgan
forgot image
Elijah King
If you're trying to buy stuff right now?
Stake out Newegg (Newegg, not 3rd party sellers) pages for graphics cards.
Have your payment info in your account already and logged in on your phone, set up email notifications. Be ready to buy that shit when you can. It'll be in stock for like 2 minutes and then gone.
Lucas Hall
I've been wanting to upgrade my 3.5GB VRAM cripple for a year now. Waited patiently for Vega 56, but that turned out to be too expensive. However, I also don't want to give nvidia any of my money for many years to come.
So I bought a used Palit GTX 980 Ti Super Jetstream used for 350€ (used prices here of that exact card usually go for 320~380€). Everything I read about the card sounds good. Especially how quiet it is. Since it has about +15~20% performance on the reference card, my guess is that it's going to be faster than the Vega 56 and 1070 most of the time.
And I only play in 1440p and 144 Hz, so the 6GB VRAM should last me at least another year.
Christian Cook
That's an attractive card.
Anthony Murphy
I agree.
Aaron Harris
The most amazing thing about this is that a new GTX 1060 costs nearly the same, but is significantly slower.
And the RX 580 costs a good 50~100€ more... USED.
I made some decent money from crypto, but this is still absolutely ridiculous.
Isaiah Taylor
test
Asher Bailey
ctrl+f game 7 matches get a productive hobby you degenerate fucks not call game console building general
Levi Brown
>not call game console building general In English, please!
I'm trying to make a decent budget pc so I can run games on medium on a 1080p monitor. Here's what I have so far: pcpartpicker.com/list/cfHfsJ This is pretty much what I think I can get for my $450 budget and I'm wondering if it's going to be decent enough to last for 4 years of playing on medium 1080p?
Jeremiah Fisher
>mad you aren't mining? Read:
>I made some decent money from crypto, but this is still absolutely ridiculous.
No, I'm not mining, but I still made some money from the market.
Trying to put a good amount into a nicer pc. any comments on this? Is this build pretty solid or is something off?
Elijah Fisher
That's really barebones.
Especially if you want it to last for 4 years. The Ryzen 3 will probably become a bottleneck sooner than later. And the GTX 1050 Ti...
If I were you, I'd buy used stuff.
Leo Adams
I'd get a Ryzen 5 instead.
Do you need a new monitor? I'd rather save that money and game on whatever you have right now. Then buy a better GPU and new monitor down the line in a few months.
