Ever get depressed about not being the best at something and want to give up?

Ever get depressed about not being the best at something and want to give up?

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No, because I don't go into things with unrealistic expectations. I'm well aware that I'm not perfect and that I don't have to be. You sound like one of those kids that was given a meaningless award for everything so that your fee fees wouldn't get hurt.

Wow, this got to me at a personal level.

>No, because I don't go into things with unrealistic expectations.

I commend your ability to do that, exactly how does it feel to be a low achiever?

But you don't have to be you stupid shit. Just be the best that YOU can be. Nobody is born with the same intelligence/enthusiasm/dedication but just like everyone else you'll still become good at whatever it is that you want to do if you simply work hard at it.

The worst thing you can do in life is procrastinate how you'll never be good at X. Eventually you'll be on your deathbed regretting all your wasted years.

I was one of those kids that new the participation prizes were worthless but wasn't smart enough to realize what they were doing to me peers until later in life.

Wanting to give up in the face of difficulty at anything is part of the human condition. Part of your worth of a human being is determined by how well you ignore that desire.

>You sound like one of those kids that was given a meaningless award for everything so that your fee fees wouldn't get hurt.

No, definitely not one of those kids. Think they started doing that participation medal shit after I got out of elementary school.

Heh, I was thinking the same thing, but more along the lines off, why do you bother doing something if you wont fucking do it right. It reminds me of people who do the dishes to keep their house tidy, but they'll do them all rushed and half-assed with crap sticking to them and suds barely rinsed off. My wife does this, it pisses me off so much that I have since started doing the dishes and she's gotten so used to it that she'll come into my room to have a single dish cleaned for her own use on her own time.

>but wasn't smart enough to realize what they were doing to me peers until later in life

What's your theory?

>Part of your worth of a human being is determined by how well you ignore that desire.

There's some truth in this.

>What's your theory?
It's not my theory. It fails to teach kids how to deal with failure and instills in them the message that they are always a winner or always special no matter what they actually do (or fail to do). It also has to do with the ruination of our brains' reward systems. Do something menial and get congratulated for it. You don't even have to do well. Just show up. It's another piece of our overstimulating society.

>It's another piece of our overstimulating society.

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>UNDENIABLE DILEMMA
>BOREDOM IS NOT A BURDEN ANYONE SHOULD BEAR
>CONSTANT OVERSTIMULATION NUMBS ME
>BUT I WOULD NOT WANT YOU ANY OTHER WAY

I kinda do... Except I did not grow up with people affirming my feelings. Oh no no no. Imagine your stereotypical Asian household with the perpetually disappointed, highly accomplished father with way too much responsibility - that was my father, and I had no mother growing up.
I think it's actually more so a function of my extreme Obsessive Compulsiveness and me being a helpless perfectionist.

No. I set out to become the best at programming years ago. I'm rapidly growing because of my goals. You don't have vision. Your depression is intended to help you grow.

>You are this universe. And you are creating it at every moment. Because you see it starts now. It didn’t begin in the past. There was no past. If the universe began in the past, when that happened it was now. But it is still now and the universe is still beginning now and it’s trailing off like the wake of a ship from now and as the wake of the ship fades out, so does the past. You can look back there to explain things but the explanation disappears. You will never find it there. Things are not explained by the past. They’re explained by what happens now. That creates the past. And it begins here.

>That’s the birth of responsibility. Because otherwise you can look over your shoulder and say, 'Well, I am the way I am because my mother dropped me. And she dropped me because she was neurotic because her mother dropped her.' and we go way way back to Adam and Eve or to a disappearing monkey or something.We never get at it. But in this way you are faced with that you’re doing all this.

Jesus christ, talk to your wife. Don't let people treat you like that.

Oh believe me man, I told her to go fuck herself.

Well she literally killed herself for one, and my father was and is a great man, perhaps the only "real" person I have known my entire life that shouldered the burden and moved on and tried to do everything he could. He never drank or smoke, he never fucked another woman, he lived his life a good, responsible man.
I do not blame anyone but myself for my own shortcomings and while it kind of seems so from reading what I originally wrote, I did not mean it that way. I fully realize that I am the only one to blame for the things that I never accomplished but at the same time I have grown beyond hating myself for that, life's too short for that crap, you live your life free with all the tragedy and shortcomings and the happiness and whatever else you want your own way, that's my personal perspective on life.

how do you get over the fear of never being able to catch up after not doing anything for a long time?

I feel that way at times, mostly is the depression that is setting in. but I learned to cope with it.

what I like to do is replacing the feeling of depressiong to another emotion, something that will assist you, either anger or jelousy. I've seen so far that each emotion has their pros and cons, what seems to work best is anger, this causes you (me anyways) to focus more on the subject that I've failed.

When I was younger I've studied about social paths and I've learned one thing about them, they don't feel any emotions other than anger, they try to mimic their targets. I've used that information and molded it to something that would help me and it did. I study people who are successful and when I fail I use anger to get me going, but be cautious, do not focus the anger on ther person but on their abilities and try to mimic them, mimic the person's ability.

use all of the social paths abilities but without the cons that comes with it.

Actually yeah. There are so many people on this planet that spend their whole lives contributing nothing of value, just mindlessly consuming and draining society. I used to look down on them, but when I too could be easily replaced and no one would care, I realized I'm one of them.

you just do it, because it's better than continuing to not do anything. the life you want is waiting for you, you just have to be willing to get out of the filth

>social paths

Yes, nearly every day. Some days it takes longer to get past this feeling

I was more like one of the kids that watched as everybody else got something for doing nothing while I actually did my shit and got nothing in return.

that ukranian soyboy is a hillary clinton supporter. He wanted to know which Twitter employee deleted Trump's account so that he could hire him/her.

Look at that ukranian faggot. Bad skin problems. No girl would ever want him because he isn't worth anything (daily reminder that Ethereum is fantasy currency)

there's only one person who's "the best" at a certain discipline and that usually comes at the price of an insane amount of dedication and sacrifices in other aspects of their lives.

How is this technology-related?

You don't need to be the best when you have a lot of ether.

-$$$

No because I'm not a stupid animal desperate for validation

No. I don't feel like I need to be the best, just good enough.
I've achieved that in a lot of aspects, I do plenty of things. Play music, draw, photography, programming, play games, write... I've always accepted that I would never be the best in the world at any of the things I did, maybe I wouldn't even be the best in my country, my city, etc. But that doesn't mean I am content with failure or that I give up and don't try. I am just reasonable and invest time into things and wherever it takes me it'll be. I don't get devastated for not being the best, after all there can only be one person who's the best at something, and with 7 billion of us, it's quite a feat. I don't want to dedicate my entire life to something just so I can be the best, if I know very well that I'll never be the best. Again that doesn't mean I settle with mediocrity or failure, and I know I can always improve, but I'm happy with reaching a satisfactory degree of competency at something.

>technology related
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I was very depressed about that when i was younger, almost constantly. After getting my wizardship i gave up and stopped caring. Now i browse fucking Sup Forums. I've seen some posts by other oldfags - it's the same thing, if you didn't 'made it' until 30 then it's over. Might as well relax, no point in being assblasted about it anymore.

>Ever get depressed about not being the best at something

Of course not, because
- It's often nit possible to quantify an exact metric to optimize for. "best software developer" for example is simply not quantifiable.
- Even if you have one quantifiable metric (e.g time to run 100 meters), it's stupid to spend all available resources to maximize it. It's usually better to only optimize it for 80%, with 20% of the resources (Pareto Principle)

Posted OP with writing programs in mind, more specifically apps like Snapchat, or shitcoins like Eth, which were simple concepts but made people filthy rich.

Also, did legacy captcha finally give out or something?

I don't even care about being the best, being adequate would be good enough for me.

You shouldn't aim to be the best in any field, it is rarely a good thing.
Instead, aim to be in the top 75%.
If you are the best, you are surrounded by people who are worse than you, there is nowhere for you to go then, so you should move on to more challenging things.
If you are in the lower 25% on the other hand, you will have a lot harder time succeeding and you have to evaluate if it is possible to work harder at the thing and improve or if you should move on to something you can do better.

Say you are a really good plumber, top 99.99% of all plumbers. It makes sense to move on.
If you then start a plumber business and you succeed at that, you might go on to be an engineer that leads a lot of plumbers.

But if you are not a good business owner, maybe it would be better to go back to become a plumber and improve within this field.
There is nothing wrong with limiting yourself to something you are decent enough at to get realistic improvements over the years.

Now the real question that you should be asking yourself: How do I become good at X?
What is a good X in this situation?
What would a good X do?
What metrics can I implement to track if I am good at my job?
What rewards can I get out of this job?

Now these questions are not trivial to answer and you have to adjust this evaluation throughout your life.
Depending on what you do and how long your projects take, it can be harder or easier to evaluate but that doesn't mean you shouldn't

I'm actually that kid that never won anything.

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After I read that I googled to check if it was copypasta.

I'm actually that kid who was brilliant but got fucked over by life

every fucking time i get a freelance.Just suck it up.

That's what every underachiever says but every unemployed bum there is that claims those very words can't bother to pick up a book and refine a marketable skill because playing DOTA2 is just so fucking addicting.

>"Be a boring, worthless piece of shit like me!"
>"Aren't millenials awful?"

me

>millenials in charge of reading comprehension

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Literally every day.

I'm already regretting all my wasted years, not even 40 yet...

if you are the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room.

Just so you know I am the guy that laughed manically at your reply

I will return

i'd rather be the smartest person in a room full of retards than the brainlet in a room full of geniuses

KILL YOURSELF BAN-EVADING ARGENTINIAN (Barneyfag).
I'M NOT EVEN JOKING, I WANT TO SMASH YOUR FUCKING HEAD RIGHT OPEN SO THAT NOTHING REMAINS OF IT AND I DON"T HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOUR EXISTENCE, YOU WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH. IF I KILLED YOU TOMORROW, THEN THAT WOULD BE ALL THAT WOULD SATISFY ME BEFORE MY EVENTUAL DEATH. NOTHING I WANT TO SEE MORE THAN ME CRUSHING YOUR FUCKING SKULL, TEARING YOUR FUCKING EYES, BEATING YOU UNTIL YOU'RE A LIFELESS FUCKING CARCASS
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story?

>tfw smart but lazy
I could have been anybody, done anything, if only I bothered to try.

Yes, that is my life: the story. I could never live up to my dad and I always felt like a disappointment to him. I've gotten better at it, though; I only want to be the best at what I actually care about. Wanting to be the best != being the best. It's the drive of wanting that actually makes you achieve goals. You probably won't be the best, but you never know if you don't take that shot.

Has barenyfag become much more violent in the past months?

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knowing how to sew, train rats, do plumbing and web development keep me on check and motivated in life. Maybe you are not a specialist but a generalist. Or maybe you are just fucking lazy.

Literal loser talk.

>tfw stupid and lazy

trips of truth

>thought I was hot shit
>got accepted in one of my country's elite high school
>got rekt bad
>"""depression""" and grades started slipping
>was given a poem (Desiderata) to be memorized for daily recitation in our country's version of the ROTC
>one of the lines were "stop comparing yourself to others as there will always be lesser and greater persons as to yourself" or some shit it was 15 years ago
>mfw I stopped giving a shit about the progress of others and just focus on mine

>mfw I stopped giving a shit about the progress of others and just focus on mine
Hard to do when you see other people progressing much faster than you.

Fuk u money skelly

I'm depressed every fucking day about the fact I'm not attractive to women.

Define "made it".
The definition for it is so vast that it renders your point moot. You can't really draw such a sweeping generalization and expect humans to subscribe and dominate it all. If thats the case, then there are no successful people.

For example, If a person is very rich but obese, could her be considered to be successful? From a financial metric most would agree that yes, but from a personal live point of view (and generally), personally I would say no. No amount of money can repair dead brain cells from a obesity induced stroke.

So define "making up".

>see
That's the problem. People look at successful people and say "Oh look how easy it is for them, if I had their talent I would have succeeded as well." But you don't know how many hours they have sacrificed to progress, you only see the result.

i just got rejected for a full stack position for being a jack of all trades

>Hard to do when you see other people progressing much faster than you.
What part of understanding
>"stop comparing yourself to others as there will always be lesser and greater persons as to yourself
is too hard for you?

Kill yourself, faggot.

Of course. But I just tell myself everyone has it. At every level there are a percentage of people who have imposter syndrome and aren't confident in themselves. Once you get a 8 you'll just want a 9 type stuff. Don't let it bother you and just know its normal to feel like that sometimes.

Don't compare your life to someone elses highlight reel.

i know a person who is very much an embodiment of this. he gets off on the fact that he does things just for the sake of doing things. it's very obvious that he isn't aware or capable of judging the worth of his actions. he will spend a week doing something incredibly inane and meaningless and get so caught up in the fact that he's 'busy' that he can't even stop and think to himself that what he's doing may not actually even be accomplishing anything.

i.e. he spent a week making this ridiculous spreadsheet, color coded things, styled it, etc. then at the end of it, he comes to the conclusion that he can't actually use it practically because its too much work to maintain. he showed it to me and it was like 8 pages that would frighten a dedicated team of data entry grunts. you would've spent at least 3 hours a day to maintain this shitty spreadsheet when you could just code something that tracked everything automatically.

ironically, he considers himself to be a genius so when he has an idea, he thinks its worth gold.

>rejected
>for being a jack of all trades

are modern employers this retarded? why do they do that?

if you say that in a derogatory fashion, it means that you know only surface level things about 'way too many things'.

really, it's just a sugar coated way of saying you don't know anything real. no one who says this in a negative context actually really considers you a 'jack' of all trades, they'd probably accept a real jack of trades but if they say this, they're most likely trying to be polite that you don't know enough about anything. so if that was the specific wording of the employer, they were basically hinting that you like to talk a lot of shit but you don't really know much more than a normie's perspective on the topic.

user prob couldnt answer detailed questions, only surface level knowledge of lots of areas.

fullstack is literally a jack of all trades, they do everything and end up in debt with development due to being everywhere.

i mean its all relative. you can't just know jack shit and call yourself a full stack. you have to know a good or at least 'decent' amount. if all you know is enough to spout off 'apache', 'oop', 'cloud computing', 'LAMP stack', and 'port forwarding' then you can't consider yourself a full stack realistically. obviously this is an oversimplification but if someone says that to you, then you are probably either really lacking or they were just a nit picky asshole. but once again, it's all relative.

Full-stack JavaScript is just that, JavaScript. So being a full-stack JavaScript developer should not be treated like that.

Daily OP, daily...

what does javascript have anything to do with it? user was called a jack of all trades so the core of the matter is that the employer didn't think he knew enough about the topics. the whole point of fullstack is to have all that information in one single brain instead of it being scattered throughout 10 people who all have to communicate with each other. if you don't have at least a strong working knowledge of both ends, then you can't really say you're a fullstack because any front end guy can pick up a few tricks and call himself a fullstack. really, if you're brought on as a fullstack, they are more concerned for you being weighted on the back-end than the front end. front end is really just left alone to front end guys, being fullstack just means you have the knowledge of front end and are able to make considerations when dealing with the back end.

I didn't completely follow the entire convo, but basically, being full-stack in JavaScript is pretty fucking easy. If you know JavaScript well enough, then transitioning those skills to become full-stack is pretty simple. So being a fullstack dev, in JS, isn't really being a "jack of all trades", it's just JS.

But I hopped into the convo without reading, I have no fucking idea what is going on or if my replies even fit the context. Anyway, I'm outta here.

Never

t. The best

yeah I'm here right now cause I'm fucked in algorithms.
Won't give up though.

The only way I can make sure this never happens again is to make sure I have a son and start him programming as soon as he can speak. We'll do computational theory after school for an hour so it won't go over his head. Were I failed he'll succeed. The only real way to go from a shitty programmer to a programming legend like Vitalik in one generation.

I have literally given up.

>being full-stack in JavaScript is pretty fucking easy.
i suppose. backend js is kinda tricky though since you still have to think from the perspective of server side scripting. and you definitely still need the principles of designing back end systems in any kind of back end dev which is more or less nonexistent in front end development/ui design (maybe not so much in ux design).

if you're a full stack, learning other back ends is pretty simple but learning back end as a solely front ender is gonna probably take some time. i hate front end though so i wouldn't really know.

my background is php though so learning node wasn't really that difficult minus trying to code in JS from two different perspectives (server side can import modules, etc., front end also comes with some of its own unique classes like XMLHttpRequest, etc). but once i got over that small hurdle, its basically the same as any other server side scripting. so yeah i can say it personally wasn't that hard but im not sure if it's really that easy for front end devs to pick up otherwise everyone would just call themselves backend. im pretty sure 90% of front ends are doing it just because they want to do art in the context of technology, they're really just artists deep down though.

honestly in this day and age, if you're a 'full stack' you're really just still doing back end only. no one really expects a full stack to actually do good visuals/write content, they expect them to design systems or create full back ends but just have that working knowledge of front end so you can always have that thought in the back of your mind. basically everyone reaches full stack if they are in the business long enough unless they specifically want to just stay in front-end for whatever fucking reason.

Sometimes but I usually try to brush negative and self defeating thinking off

on webdev or life?

essentially, the barrier to real back-end dev isn't so much learning more than one language but its being able to apply strong code principles. its really not that hard to learn a language's standard lib and once you know one, then it more or less translates 1:1 for every other language. array.pop works the same in every gen purpose language.

even if the MEAN stack was in 4 diff languages, the problem would still be able knowing how to write good modular code that can be reused and maintained easily. front end devs don't have to worry about implementing their shitty templates, it's really not that hard. but trying to design back ends that are clean and consistent and secure and interacts with hundreds of other moving parts is a lot more difficult and takes more skill/thought. especially once you get to the point of optimization and large scale, then you really have to know your shit.

No, only an idiot would even attempt to be the absolute best at anything.

Being the best within your peers/company/social group is something way more realistic and achievable.

Depending on the size of these groups it can be enough to be among the best ones, nobody is defined by a single skill after all.

Life. I pretty much reached rock bottom and I don't care anymore. I just cruise along and do what I can. And if I fuck up so be it.

i doubt your life is worse than mine

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>Third world
>Wages are shit
>i have to make 4 hrs in public transport to go anywhere
>Wages are shit
>Cant afford shit
>Wages are shit
>Parents are fucking pressing me to get a job
>But wages are shit
>be 30
>Really try to find a job
>Cant find a job
>Wages are still shit no matter what i do
>If Trump opens his mouth Dollar goes up and fuck ups the entire economy of my country

Hey, I'm not a third worlders.

thats why your life is shit. because you feel sorry for yourself like you're some beaten up lost dog. you are most likely a piece of shit so why not actively try and change that rather than continue to be a piece of shit while feeling sorry for yourself? if you keep feeling like your life is the product of immutable and unpredictable events, then you will ultimately continue finding yourself 'victim' to more and more 'tragedies'.

take control of your life and stop being a worthless fuck and blaming everything around you. it doesn't matter if china rolled through your front door and fucked your mom and dad, you can sit and bitch about it and write blog posts all day long but that won't change a damn thing and the only thing you'll have gained is a jar of your worthless tears.

look at yourself. you bitch about your life on a website like Sup Forums where no one even knows who you are, let alone gives a damn. you think your life will change because you pity yourself on an anonymous image board? of course not. you have a choice here, you can either take control of your life or you can relinquish all control of it and let yourself become a lifeless piece of trash in the ocean that sways to every wave and has no choice where it ends up.

so whats it going to be faggot? are you gonna accept that you choose to live a life of a fucking worthless loser lower than the lowest nigger who has no chance of ever being happy or are you going to make the choices necessary to change your life? if you can't even bring yourself to make an attempt at changing your life, you should just honestly kill yourself cause you must be really fucking irredeemably worthless.

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HAHAHA JUST ACCOMPLISH THINGS NIGGA HAHA LIKE YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK AWAY FROM Sup Forums AND BE SUCCESSFUL

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