Tor vs normies

Sup Forums lemme ask you something

Being that the deep web/tor/darknet and more is rather easy to get on, is it wise to be using this in a normie TV show? I mean 1/2 of us here if not more know how to get on them, know how to get on tor, free net and more. Then there was that movie that was at best a 5/10 I think called "dare" or something where they did it again. SHOULD normies know this? Cause you know how impressionable they can be. Fuck, look at tide bods, bleach, and other dumb challenges. This is like chatrooms for everyone back in the AOL late 90's day, you had to be smart to find them. Should this be allowed to be known?

What is your reasoning for asking this? Are you against Tor in general or what?

No user, I appreciate tor for what it is. What it stands for but my concern are normies

these people do shit cause their friends did it

>goto google
>type in "what is tor?"
>tor's site is the first link
>normies click it
>shows the download button
>normie googles "how to use tor"
>some youtuber shows it, likely a 12 year old edgy faggot
>normie is now on it
>normie finds out how to buy weed from it
>doesn't use bitcoin (again dum normee)
>uses debit
>debit is tracked
>1 of 2 things happens normie is kill or normie is hunted by the FBI
>normie is 2
>FBI drags him in for questioning
>normies macbook is found with CP on it
>he swears up and down he doesn't know where that came from
>normie never downloaded it
>it was placed on his computer to implicate him and take their eyes off the drugs
>normie is in deep shit
>per 1 photo of CP = 7-12 years in prison
>200 photos
>240 years in da clank
You know this is likely what will happen or has

Think op is just an elitist retard who doesn’t want anyone else knowing about muh deepwebs

>You know this is likely what will happen or has
This is good.
It means Tor can be saturated by idiots that don't know what they're doing, thus making it harder for NAS/FBI/third parties to catch the one's who use Tor as it's meant to be used.

Which is retarded, because tor being full of only elitist makes those elitist stand out like a sore thumb. You want to blend in, not stand out.

So you are an insane person. I don't know what there is to discuss here.

Just too many retarded things in your post to take it seriously. Credit card payment on a Tor market? This does not exist for obvious reasons. Rest of your post about FBI is just a severe lack of understanding on how evidence is handled and court proceedings, it is not even worthy to comment on further.

You sound like a 15 year old that thinks he discovered some kind of secret.

well no anons, I'm not, It's just a thought. My mind tends to think about these things. I'm not a normie in the least, but at the same time. for your everyday joe, they don't need to know this info at all and will only complicate their lives.

No user, I've known of it for a long time, but goto any normie at Walmart and ask them if they know what the deep web or tor is and if they know anything about it, it's because one of their edgy friends follows some facebook page or goes to Sup Forums sometimes. What I'm asking is Sup Forums's opinion on tor vs normies. Should normies actually know about tor at all? Sorta like saying "hey heroin is a thing, it can kill you. Don't do it" but we still have dumbasses doing heroine

Honestly that's just natural selection in motion. There is no need to childproof the internet because idiots regularly get themselves killed or in shit. People used to travel to mexico city and were warned that it was dangerous and they might get held up or murdered. Still did it. Did they idiot proof mexico city? No. Now its worse than ever. People have taken the years of warning and started going less, and those that do are either careful, or join Darwin's list of names.

Yeah guys let’s not give normies the power to encrypt packets over the web and between nodes. That’s too much for them to handle

>Should normies actually know about tor at all?
Why not?
Tor in itself isn't bad.
If they specifically choose to visit drug or kiddie porn sites, then that's because they wanted to see it. Nobody is forcing them to go there just because they downloaded tor.

More people using tor the more secure it is. There's no downside to popularity. And besides, if normies start hosting content on it maybe there will actually be a reason to use it if you're not a pedo.

Fair enough

Maybe other dark nets would be worse such as freenet since you’re allocating hard drive space but I agree that tor is fine

The question is just weird like why shouldn’t they be able to learn about it? Who cares if they’re edgy if they fuck up then it’s on them

does anyone even use freenet anymore? it's not safe at all, and i haven't heard of anyone using anything else in years.

I don’t think many people use it but I would assume some really low key individuals might

You are an insane person, that is all there is to it. The idea that you go from buying drugs on the internet to being sentenced to death for child pornography charges because the FBI is some kind of criminal agency engaging in widespread planting of evidence is a paranoid delusion that I can't help you with. If the FBI or anyone was seriously interested in arresting the tens of thousands of people who have bought drugs on Tor they could have done it when they took control of the seized BTC addresses from places like The Silk Road and Hansa, it would not be difficult to track them with serious police work as 95% of addresses are trackable. Like I said, it requires your brain to be geared towards paranoid delusions.

The other side is that the criminals themselves would not have payments services like credit cards available? How dumb are you to think there exists criminals running markets on Tor that would allow themselves to be found out in one second? There is a reason they deal in crypto. I'm absolutely astonished that you consider yourself a "non-normie", you are literally an 90 IQ person using Tor.

You dumbass, that's not what I was saying at all. The fact that it's easy to get to at all is what slightly scares me. I mean, I agree with the other anons, it should be known but it should be avoided in general unless there's a reason to use it at all to hide your ass for some reason. Lets be honest, lets say by some miracle a normie figures it all out, does enough research but doesn't think about not using their card. So they do. That card can be traced in an instant and you know that. Now sure, it's a bit extreme where I went, but even then, it only takes once to get caught. You know that user. This is more or less saying all these people know how to use it and not fuck it up. That's what I mean user.

The FBI has enough real criminals to deal with to bother inventing some with evidence planting. Worst that will happen is if they think you're guilty but they don't have evidence to put you in jail, they'll make some appear just to ensure the conviction. Which is pretty bad if they think an innocent person is guilty, because no shit there's not enough evidence in that case.

Starting to think this thread is bait

Again, why are you talking about credit cards? Show me one Tor market that has ever allowed payments with credit cards. Your entire position is based on the idea that some people can use credit cards on a Tor market and be arrested because of it. Do you not understand the problem with your position? Again, find me one criminal who is selling illicit goods trough Tor that offers credit card payments and we'll see how long he stays out. It doesn't exist, your entire scenario is based on a hypothetical universe where the criminals are even dumber than the "normies" you are so protective of.

The insane cost of actually doing this amount of arrest is a factor. The FBI or any kind of local police agency could do this in real. Set up cameras and undercover surveillance all over the place and arrest thousands of people every day. It would be trivial, but it would also cost billions of dollars in case proceedings alone, not to mention the amount of human resources wasted on something that would ultimately be futile.

Alright then I wont use it. It could be as simple as someone handing over some piece of information say like a photo or a name or something that could key them into their location. That's about it

Personally, I don't know if any actual tor sites use debit/credit

Tor is not as dangerous as you make it out to be

it's basically Sup Forums and Sup Forums tier retardation, I'm aware, but to the normal world, they wouldn't understand this type of humor. Like dead baby jokes and so on.

Go back to Re ddit. I can tell your from a third world country too, so just stop posting and move on. You got BTFO in this thread, there is no point in trying to redeem yourself.

>america
How can you tell where I am if you don't know anything more about me than what is stated in this thread user? I don't need to redeem myself at all. I went to extreme for fun but didn't realize that was a bad move. I do agree now that I've thought it over, the fact that the FBI has bigger shit to do than hunt down some 22 year old college student that got on silk road or got in a red room for fun. Getting to the sites is 1 thing, using them is another.

Also, I deleted my feddit once I realized there was nothing of value for me there.

Most large criminal or terrorist groups probably use darknets rather than the deep web to communicate and even so the sites that are on the deep web and do illegal activities usually require an invitation to access. So if a “normie” were to try and do something on these sites it wouldn’t do much. Anything like buying drugs or whatever might not require an invitation since it’s really not the most serious thing but you woul need to pay in crypto which at lot of normal people don’t own. I think that you still need some base knowledge to get yourself into trouble on the deep web anyways