Why are Russians ok with a dictator?

Why are Russians ok with a dictator?

He's much much better than Yeltsin.

They're only ok with dictators. They love being ruled with an iron fist

It's what they deserve

Because our country was builded in permanent wars.
We can't just living and bee yourself. Since we don't have an autoritarian leader - we're become passive and weak.
Here's one opinion for you.

Russians are unable to live in democracy and liberty. They need a jackbooted tyrant to tell them what to do.

Somebody has to be part of the meme team.

>implying they ever had a democratic leader

This is all russians know.

They are slaves, like to be humiliated by officials, and also they're imperialists and want to wage war against neighboring countries to conquer more clay. Putin holds them in a dictatorship (which they like), steals money from them (what they like), annexes new territories (they like it either and the most), wage a war against the West they hate so much. They hate a freedom as well. He is like a tsar for them, something like a god, alpha-male.

We had one for a few months in 1917.

Imperialism is fun desu.

>Imperialism is fun desu.
Oh yeah, notorious Russian poverty, anti-intellectualism, stupidity, slavery, "bad climate" and so on. Wherever Russians come the climate immediately "gets bad" and the economy starts sucking.

democracy is a meme and overrated

t. Churka

>putin
>dictator
I wish.

What did Brazil achieve after a century of democracy?

>">Anti-intellectualism

>I wish.
No wonder Argentina sucks so badly for 100 years.

What did Russia achieve after 500 years of dictatorship? (inb4: cherry-picking)

We were in an incompetent military dictatorship until 1985...

You overthrew your Emperor and have been a shithole ever since.

Cherry-picking. Look at the GDP.
All these space things were in expense of civilian economy.

They like it rough

I think they always had been a shithole.

>What did Russia achieve
Well, I live in a better country than democratic Brasil or Liberia.

GDP is not that bad if we look at ppp

They were actually very rich at one point but then elected Socialists and Populists constantly.

Not true, we had democracy in 1917 (february-october) and in 1992-1993.

We were actually pretty good for a while together with Argentina, that's why we got so many immigrants.

They had one in the 90s but they didn't know what to do with freedom and instead panicked and started murdering and stealing from each other and doing drugs, so they begged for a new god emperor to save them.

Let's be honest, if we start real free elections here people will vote for Putin.

But worse than dictatorial Qatar.

>ppp

Irrelevant. Only nominal numbers matter.

Was your economy based on selling raw materials in that period?

>Yeltsin
>Democratic
Literally bombed parliament for voting against him.

If not for Hitler.

No, he fired from tanks.

We made mad cash selling rubber thanks to the whole motorized cars thing.

I'm more concerned that Russians in free and democratic elections would more likely vote for nazis.

so let's start with free press

Because they have never lived under anything remotely resembling democracy. The short period of democracy they had was also a period of painful transition from socialism to capitalism and this has stained the idea of democracy for the common Ivan.

> Putin
> dictator
nice b8

Probably some ultranationalist sorts who want to invade everything.

You pay for everything in rubles.

Because they are slaves.

What Russia needs are strong and independant institutions, namely the Police and courts. Democracy, especially in a country like Russia will never lead to such institutions being founded.

What Russia needs is basically someone like Atatürk to lay a foundation for this, someone with strong moral principles who won't use the country as his own piggybank.

Disbanding/limiting the FSB wouldn't hurt though.

That's because we had Americans counseling us.

Also, our democratic leaders visited chili to get experience in reforming ex socialist state.

Just like I thought. You were just lucky to have a good market. Like Qatar today with its oil.

>this has stained the idea of democracy for the common Ivan.

>communists kill millions of people in a civil war and a red terror.
>extreme poverty.
>GDP falls by 80-95%
>communists rob almost all the people via nationalization, collectivisation, raskulachivanie.
>starvation, millions people die of it.
>GULAG
>USSR falls apart.
>Standards of living deteriorate.
>no starvation (but nutrition is still bad).
>Russians hate freedom "because of poverty".

>short period of democracy
>president shoots the Parliament

Where did you get the meme that yeltsin was democratic?

US pushed that meme hard because they liked his economics.

Forgot to add that Russians love communists.

>What Russia needs is basically someone like Atatürk to lay a foundation for this, someone with strong moral principles who won't use the country as his own piggybank.

I'm afraid, there are no people like than in our country.

Doesn't matter. Russians would hate him anyway and probably even rebel against his rule.

bydlo needs a strong shepherder

Weren't the "opposition" in 1993 all diehard communists who wanted to restore the USSR? It seems as if it was the same situation as

>>Russians hate freedom "because of poverty".

Quality of life in the 1990s for most of our people was worse than in 70s-80s.

I have the bad news for you

They were resisting privatisation of economy because it was ruining living standards.

that's the mark of bydlo
they prefer grass to chew on over freedom

Turkey is a very much smaller country than Russia and far more homogenous.

What happened in the 90s wasn't just low living standards, it was anarchy. The country was virtually lawless and nothing prevented people from robbing and enslaving their neighbors. There were extremist and separatist movements everywhere. The Soviet system and its institutions had been dismantled overnight with nothing to put in their place. Social services disappeared or existed only at a minimal level.

People forget real easy and the 90s apparently sucked more than the 80s and that's all they could remember.

Because he was incompetent which was mistaken for benevolence.

That's the sad part

Indeed Deng Xiaoping once said the same of China.

"China is not ready for democracy. Were we to hold free elections tomorrow, the country would be plunged into a civil war."

Yes. So? Quality of life in 1920-s was much worse than in 1900-1910 (and worse than in 1990-s). Nevertheless Russians love communists who did that. Quality of live is not the reason for their hatred of freedom, it's just an excuse.

And yes, they had privatized TV stations and nominal freedom of the press in the 90s but if you wrote an expose in a newspaper on some Mafia boss, you'd probably die in a drive-by shooting the next week.

>1920s

Nobody in the 90s remembered those times, especially considering the kind of education they got. They didn't value freedom because they never understood what it could do for them.

Living standards are relative. It was popular to say in the 70s that America was on the decline and living standards were dropping compared to the 50s-60s even though relatively speaking, they were higher and people had more opportunities and technology than 20 years earlier. It makes more sense when you compare American living standards in the 70s to West Germany or Japan both of whom were overtaking us.

In the same vein, overall Russian living standards in the 90s were much above the 1910s, but very much below First World standards of the time.

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No, they weren't resisting privatization. They were against Yeltsin and his clan plan of privatization.

They were simply political opposition.

Why? Wouldn't Russians love an authoritarian leader who also uses nationalist rhetoric? All he needs to do is modernisation of the country.

Modernisation = being a liberal faggot = hated by Russians.

Still a bit better than a government sanctioned drive-by

Are you retard?

Was industrialisation the modernisation?

>All he needs to do is modernisation of the country.

But Russians hate modernisation.

So, absolutely nothing has changed since the 1800s when liberals were derided by the Dostoyevsky brigade as poofters who wanted to sell out Holy Russia to atheist Freemasons in Paris.

The result for journalist is the same though.

>Nobody in the 90s remembered those times
We have a new generation born after 1990-s. They hate 1990-s and love USSR. They cannot remember both.
After 1920-s there wasn't such kind of hatred towards communism back then, say, in 1930-s.

Yeah I know. Yeltsin had some lunatic plan to totally privatize all state industries in 90 days or something.

No, it was bullshit.

Big deal. How many people wrote exposes on the Clintons and were found dead the next week. Ever heard of Danny Casolaro?

Intredasting

he did it

>You pay for everything in rubles.
And the products bought in Russia are not in the same brands and qualities with ones consumed in other countries.

So the effect being they all just got bought up by Mafia bosses or foreign companies. Entire forests were literally sold off to foreign logging outfits.

True. But it's far easier to get rid off of mobsters than the government.

So, creating whole new industries in previously mostly agrarian country using foreign specialists is not modernisation in your opinion?

"The thing we must remain cognizant of is the fact that the Russian is not a European, but an Asiatic and by nature devious. We can no more understand him than we can a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I've seen of them I have no particular desire to understand them except in ascertaining how much lead and iron it takes to kill them. Aside from his lesser qualities, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all-around barbarian, son of a bitch, and chronic drunkard."

They made in the same fucking factories under the same brand, imbecile.

Foreign companies have their own factories there, like Renault, ford and others. They have their own specialists too.

Indeed it is. Belarus has absolutely no Mafia presence because right after taking power in 1992, Lukashenko simply had the army and the police go out and gun down all mob bosses without any trial. Unfortunately he then turned around and did same with his political opponents.

Oh really? But they privatized half of industries and became oligarchs thanks to yeltsin plan of privatization. How would you rid off them without social disorder?

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>Wouldn't Russians love an authoritarian leader who also uses nationalist rhetoric?

You'd think so but actually Putin likes to portray Russia as a supranational state encompassing all people who've been influenced by Russian culture in some way. Any displays of public racism or Nazi stuff are banned.

Patton was a fucking idiot, though.

He slapped your grandpa and called him a chicken. I get it.

There's gonna be an election for the State Duma soon. How is going to win?

CЛABA ЦAPЮ. ПИHДOCЫ COCATЬ!

>They made in the same fucking factories under the same brand, imbecile.

You don't understand what I'm saying do you? By PPP any products are equal regardless of brands and qualities. Only prices matter.

The most popular cars in your country are Lada, Hyundai etc, which are cheaper than other brands like VW or Audi which are popular in Europe. Go figure.

Apply steady pressure to conform to the law. We had our own rough 90s, as did the rest of post-comms. It's possible.

>How is going to win?

Why are you asking the question you know the answer to?

What if they don't get majority of seats? Who will they take as their puppet?

Stalin did not create industries. These industries were created by American system. Stalin just bought them. Not the system but just products of it, that is why it is not a modernization at all. When these industries were upgraded in US, in the USSR they remained in the same state when they were bought. USSR failed to create its own industries except something about space.

That's true.