Salary: competitive

>salary: competitive

>entry level position
>salary: depends on experience
:^)

Just recently I wanted to start a company that sells image videos to startups. They all look very similar so just mix and match a couple of generic scenes.

>The chance to work in a dynamic and exciting industry
>Great team atmosphere
>Fantastic career advancement opportunities

What does this even mean?

>job: junior developer
>communication skills desired, experience with tackling problems, performing their best under pressure

>entry level position
>4+ years work experience required

>IT "Support Specialist"
>BS Comp Sci required
>$18/hour

My local public utilities district, everyone.

>Must be a team player

Working in groups sucks so much ass. Especially if the company fell for the agile meme.

>Salary 20K to 100K depending on experience

When they use vague terms to describe the amount of money you, ll get it means you better looks somewhere else. If you go there, you'll get paid shite.

Shove your misuse of the word "dynamic" up your piss hole you utter cunts

>entry level junior dev position
>CS degree
>4 years of PAID programming experience required
>do not contact us if you don't fit all the above, you will be blacklisted regionally

union pacific has good programmer wages but their salaries for literally everything else are laughably low.

What's their software stack like?
I just assumed they ran their entire rail network on ancient relay logic.

My company does the same shit to the IT department guys. They wonder why they can only find qualified people with DUI's and domestic abuse charges on their record, while refusing to believe someone with a CS degree is worth more.

Thankfully I am a software developer and not involved with those IT shenanigans, we get fairly competitive wages for the area. Mainly because our management has some balls.

Probably on Rails.

>DUIs
>domestic abuse charges on their record
Do these disqualify applicants?
Why would you even bring this up?
Are they unpleasant people to work with?

when will you retards learn that "entry level" means entry to the field, not "any highschool leaver level".

It's a Reddit/LateStageCapitalism meme that millennials use an excuse to never move out of their parents place

Most serious employers will run a background check and possibly drug test you.

People with criminal records are typically stuck applying to poorly paid positions in their field of choice.

Probably some idiotic SJW-tier HR (as most HR's are) that thinks you're incapable of doing work for hire if you ever broke the law.

When will you retards learn that it's pretty fucking stupid to demand college education and then turn around and pay $18/hr with no benefits? There's a really shitty catch-22 that needs to be addressed here.

You could make more money delivering pizza.

>You could make more money delivering pizza.
only if you're cute
I don't tip uggos

>ask years of experience for barely above minimum wage with no benefits
>nobody takes the bait
>LOOK THERE'S A SHORTAGE!!
>PUMP OUT MORE COLLEGE GRADS!!!

Pizza delivery guy here. Although I have a real day job, I deliver pizza on the weekends because I made some bad financial/family decisions when I was younger. I typically average $25/hr. Some weekends can be slow though and end up being $20/hr.

Seriously, does anyone else get mildly annoyed when HR people use these shitty marketing terms?

Just speak in fucking normal people words instead of trying to make things sound better than they are.

>You could make more money delivering pizza.
WA state pizza delivery driver here. Consider the following:
$11.50 minimum wage, working about 24 hours a week = $276 before deductions (~22%) = $216 net/week = $864/month for wages alone.
Tips are about $40/night (average, some nights are lower and others higher). Assuming a 5 night a week schedule that's $800/month.

Now consider expenses. I have a fuel efficient car and fill up about once every 10 days or so (driving 45 miles a night). That equates to about $75 in fuel.
Car insurance is expensive as fuck. Figure $250 a month (I'm 26, no moving infractions, live in the boonies, small town).
Maintenance - You're putting about 30k-45k miles per year on the car so figure you're running your car into the dirt.

tl;dr $1664/month in wages but a fuckload of car-related expenses.

But then they won't sound smart

Fuck you Carlos

They gotta justify their expensive liberal arts degrees in communications.
It's also the reason they require a degree, they discriminate if your school is worse than the one they went to and they think you can't possibly be qualified if you weren't formally educated.

Your expenses would be lower if you delivered on a scooter.

Local pizza joints pay by the mile,

Your car insurance is insane (how underageb& are you? Mine never broke $120/month even when I was a teenage faggot)

Maintenance can't be properly quantified.

For companies that do this, just put
>skills: competitive
>accomplishments: competitive
>work history: competitive
In your résumés.

you're not even going to get a reply
HR hates feeling insulted even if it wasn't intentional

>wants 8 years experience in something that has only existed for 4 years
>pays 12-15 an hour
>complains there aren't enough candidates applying

CS is a meme degree

While true, it isn't feasible in a rural area like mine.

We get $1.00 per delivery. New drivers are getting jewed by the owner though; he said he had to lower the amount to $0.50 per delivery when minimum wage went up. If a driver gets stiffed he literally loses money spent in gas.
Also l2r, >I'm 26, no moving infractions, live in the boonies, small town. The high insurance is for commercial insurance. Consumer insurance won't cover an accident that occurs during a delivery.
It is true maintenance can't be quantified but you can't ignore that there will be some sort of financial hit at some point. We're not all driving Geo Metros.

do the needful and revert back to Indian candidates
t. bilal patel, senior tech recruiter

if a company is vague about your wage, look elsewhere; they will lowball you as much as they can
if a company asks about prior wages, look elsewhere; they will lowball you as much as they can

>pajeet fucks everything up then they need to work a bunch of fresh cs grads to death to fix it

>tfw your city (american southeast) would pay even less than that for the same position

The South is truly America's anus.

>self taught programmer
>Full stack PHP dev
>Move from web/sysadmin mom wage role as first job to actual software company, 25k start after a year and a half
>Tfw more competent than all the CS grads who had already been there for a year

Sadly however, their piece of paper gets them 5k more than me automatically.

>wants 8 years experience in something that has only existed for 4 years
Was about to post this. Wow them all with your 25 years of experience instead. Dare one of the interviewers to question how it’s possible for said technology to have existed for that long.

>pajeets create jobs
wtf I love Indians now

>make a show HN post
>get a bunch of fancy high salary R&D job offers
>today was offered a senior machine learning dev role
>no prior work experience
>only a mechanical engineering degree
You're doing it wrong.

>>wants 8 years experience in something that has only existed for 4 years

>react native

I've got a little ML project I'm almost done. How would you suggest I market it?

>25k start

jesus man, that's fucking awful no matter where you're at in the country really. sorry to hear

This is UK monies not Murica dollars. So about 35k USD?

Make some visually appealing demos, post them on github along with the code for people to try, then post the repo as a show HN on a weekday morning.

Ok I'll do that, should be done in a couple of weeks, thanks senpai.

>just american things
Yeah. Sucks.

either a.) we're going to offer too little and don't want you to realize until you're more invested in the interview progress and more willing to accept it
or b.) we're going to ask you for your previous salary and then try to pay as little as we can get away with based on that

Fuck off with the namefagging

Useless cunt

Fuck. I started on £24k with a degree in '15

You speak the heart

>unionized

competitive kek

> if a company asks about prior wages, look elsewhere; they will lowball you as much as they can

I tell them 2x what I made previously - to keep it realistic.

>true store

TFW when after a year at job I post coworker with masters code as user on the internet - and it becomes a meme and 20k people have a laugh,

he got better though, but still net negative

Curious about this HN boost. Will have to try it soon.

...

>being this autistic

25k is poverty

While we're on this topic, I just interviewed for a startup and they want to send me over an offer in the next couple days. I asked them about shares in the company to which they replied: this company is currently debt based but the sister company has equity and there's a possibility of that in the future.

The title is a "junior product owner" and involves everything from restructuring the existing codebase, gathering requirements, planning, architecture... it sounded like I'd be responsible for pretty much everything. I have a meme computer science degree and two years experience. What would you accept in terms of compensation and is it smart to take this on at a young age for the learning experience? I got the offer through a connection from a past internship. Thanks for any help.

>Welcome, I will be performing interview today

Who are they even hoping to get?

This here. I delivered on Superbowl night on and made $205 working from 2:30pm to 7pm. I dropped out of school in grade 6 and bought a 10k car + invested 10k into index funds in the last 2 years... Not great but I live alone, have a nice car and I'm not broke. Everyone else with degrees is in debt and makes less.

No one makes job offers like that. Maybe they asked you to interview. Or you're lying.

>>unionized
>protects, rewards, and actively incentives absolute incompetence
Sounds like the perfect job for most of Sup Forums

t. american

Good boi.

Started to work, with no degree, now headhunters hunting me.

Indians are nice people. All the indian software developers were very nice.

Fucking this. The only reason agile is one of the more bearable is because the elevator pitch is basically Common Sense: The Management Fad, except it still gets overmanaged to hell and back where it doesn't need it, and all of the real management tasks get offloaded to the developers.

ideally
someone with expensive work experience who's willing to work for entry level wages
also under 25, because after 30, they start demanding things like benefits and paid vacation and have FAMILIES and want more pay

Post it

>frogposter

Jfc you guys must have been the median to lower quartile of your high schools. No wonder I degree from shit stain state university is worthless to big companies. Maybe if u focused on school, getting into a top university for cs, show ur projects as a freshman to recruiters and get into the internship chain for big 4s, then literally get ur dick sucked my recruiters and events and orgs ur part of. Literally easiest 100k entry position ever. Playing Minecraft in the back of ur IT class on ur thinkpad really paid off huh? Stay poor and unfulfilled u lonely C tier company IT specialists.

>Must be a mid-level deity or above
>salary: minimum wage

>Jfc
Not everyone wants to work af FB or Jewgle. I hate being in the surveillance business, even if it pay top. I hate to work for the richest guy on the planet, who refuses to pay the sweatshop workers 50cents more and everybody hates him.

/inb4 moralfag gtfo

Could have sold software to syria and turkey, so they can filter out the kurds quicker.

Pays well and some other jew now makes good money, because - who cares.

>GPA must be above 2.5

>Preference to a diverse ethnic background

>BSc in CS* or equivalent job experience
>*must have graduated less than 6 months ago.

Unironically learn low voltage electrical stuff and become an electrician. Lots of the older guys don't know data and low voltage stuff isn't what they like doing. I got into the trade at 17 because I'm their guy for running data and telephone stuff. I've also been asked to do other butt fuck easy stuff like running security camera installations and automation controller stuff. It's literally ezpz and I get paid big boy bux to do it. No experience beforehand in the field. Now I'm 18, about to graduate, and in a really fucking good position.

fuck it, just come out as trans but never do anything about it. be a diversity hire.

>go talk straight to the owner
>introduce myself shake his hand and smile
>tell him I want to work for his company
>smiles back calls the boss and tells him to give me a trial
>3 hours in the trial boss tells me if I can do any extra hours that week
>get two promotion within one year
Just be yourself lads

That happens everywhere, is not just CS

the NEETs here will piss and moan every minute of every day over it, but web development is the industry to be in right now. all you need to know is fucking JAVASCRIPT, and you make at least 6 figures.

just enjoy the bubble while it lasts, which will probably be for another decade or so. after that, get into management. managing people will always be big money.

mfw learning it right now, see ya later poor fags.

I legitimately considered converting to islam for exactly that reason. I could probably get some niiiiiice scholarships.

Just graduated with my meme degree, applied for junior java developer role. HR responds by asking for GPA AND THE SALARY from my last job, which was an internship.

ITS AS IF THEY WANT THE SMARTEST DEVELOPER FOR THE CHEAPEST SALARY.

>MFW

>Live in first world country (i,e not US)
>Be normal level programmer with a portfolio of 4-5 summers of relevant work + 3-4 major solo projects you've done during your free time
>Get paid to go to interviews

Its that easy lads. I honestly don't understand how people without a portfolio don't get why a company is sceptical to hire some dude who has nothing to show for his 3-5 year education and who claims he knows what he is doing. Even better in that case to not have been studying.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal for companies to do that, you could sue.

ill come out as a transgender lesbian, ill be the only woman there that actually works.

Got any tips on how you made your portfolio?

My github repo hasn't been touched in years and I'm interested in making a portfolio in order to put my foot at the door, in terms of employment.

Yea, just BS it. THey don't check

Are you serious?

How much in terms of bullshitting? Would they give a fuck if I made kiddiescript shit in codepen?

good luck proving that you're on a blacklist

just git clone a bunch of projects
they all show up the same when they're on your profile except for a tiny "cloned from xxxxx/repo-name" under the title
they won't notice it