At what age did you realize that the "shortage of programmers" in the tech industry was a total lie and that you need...

At what age did you realize that the "shortage of programmers" in the tech industry was a total lie and that you need an unrelated math degree and several years of industry experience in order to secure your first entry level software developer job as an outsider?

Do cybersecurity.

Just now and i am back to being suicidal.

Oh and the cute anime girls don't help. I am a virgin and i will die alone. My only hope at getting a waifu is gone

There is a shortage of programmers.
The is an abundance of code monkeys.

Right around the time I got my first programming job right out of high school being entirely self-taught.

stop listening to minimum requirements on job postings
they just put them that high so nobody who actually qualifies will apply for the entry-level job with entry-level wages and they can legally bring in an immigrant worker on a visa for cheap (which they aren't allowed to do without "trying" to find an American first)

Just ignore half the requirement shit and send your resume in anyways.

But that's a lie.

Just think about it. Depending on where you live, everyday there are multiple jobs requiring the same old "40 years of experience in java, 20 years of experience as a javascript dev, agile, scrum, databases, cloud-ninja electric boogaloo, etc".

Why doesn't it ever stop? It's because those requirements are completely overblown and no one applies for the job. It's your chance.

you never hear back though

What fucking retard told you there was a shortage?
There's a surplus of programmers.

theres a surplus of bad programmers, and a shortage of good programmers. currently at my work theres a problem where new grads cannot do simple programming interview questions and its found their github code is just copy/pasted

People say this all the time but where are these postings? How are you finding candidates?
Ffs I'm losing money supporting an open source project long term because that's the best experience I can get right now.

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>they just put them that high so nobody who actually qualifies will apply for the entry-level job with entry-level wages and they can legally bring in an immigrant worker on a visa for cheap (which they aren't allowed to do without "trying" to find an American first)
This, they file for some sort of visa program for Indian programs to come to America.

The real money is in doing sysadmin shit for non tech companies.

How do you get a hold of those?
I get hints from individuals that they want to start developing an online presence and while I can refer to them to front end designers to get them what they want as far as how it looks, I'd be down for setting up and maintaining AWS and whatever else. I'm not sure what to charge for that though.

There's a shortage of programmers who are inventors.
Yes, any fucking code monkey can use Google to find out "herp derp how I make exit button?!"
But how many of them have the fucking ability to say "hmm, the rest of the page is colourful and aimed at kids and make exit button is grey with a skull on it... I wonder if that's something to change?"

That alone would fucking improve 99% of autistic retards that get put out of college and codecamps

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There's even less job opportunities there. Not everyone needs a pentester or a security consultant.

Programmer =/= (UX) Designer.

>limitis himself along arbitrary titles
>wonders why he doesent have a job

I didn't even have to apply for a job. It was honestly quite hard to avoid full time employment.

Maybe you just need to git gud?

You're the autism type of programmer.
You're a code monkey.

It doesn't fucking matter if you're "coding" a fucking robot to fap to hentai or a goddamn painting program for a pack of African toddlers.

You need to do more than "I do this for past ten years. It work well but now break, stackoverflow say do this and this work even though I don't understand"

>m-muh jerb market
>not going for a job you'd like and enjoy and doing your best to beat the competition
depresses me everytime I see soulless posts like these

Not too long ago, but I wasn't too far into it. It's just sad that I'm a good for nothing, useless subhuman. I had wished I could find something to excel at not related to technology. I don't even like where we are headed. Data gathering, AI, automation, people being treated like robots and robots behaving like people. I don't like it anymore.

Become a consultant in the area you are most familiar with and charge $2000 a week. Companies out there need specialised skills like security but don't want to hire and maintain a full team for it. They will pay you high fees to do basic pentests and network design/analysis.

Its easy to charge big money for security since people will usually call you when they are in deep shit and will pay anything to get out of it. A guy in my area charges all the local councils £20000+ for basic static websites. Money is out there but you will get almost none of it working for some kike for pennies.

Is there any position a neet can self train in and get a job wild west style? Or is it all regulated "need a degree and 5 years experience" now?

You mean to stay a neet or go out into the world?

Programming is the most meritocratic job you can get. Unfortunately that means you probably won't hack it.

/biz/ has a thread just for you fag, its about knee pads and making money...

This is horseshit in the UK. Being black, woman, or putting genderqueer/homo on your application form is a guaranteed graduate job in programming at any major company. Your competence is irrelevant. The managers will just berate your mentors for not being available enough.

I'm getting multiple offers right now and I haven't even graduated yet

You muse be a brainlet

Just work for your own goals and build your own shit.. Stack shelves to pay the bills or whatever

Those of you who are having trouble with getting an new grad developer role need to put some heavy studying into technical interviews.

Secured multiple top tier offers from grinding those and having strong personal projects to talk about.

Being a programmer is the new peasant/factory worker lol.
You missed the chance, electrical/telecom engineering is where the shit happens.

Came here to post this.

I never went to college and got my job as a programmer fairly easy.

What a fucking meme. The "skilled" are the ones banging everything out in psuedocode for people down the chain to apply. You don't get a position like that off the bat.

I don't think the Sup Forums crowd are the ones failing technical interviews (piss easy, just spend a day on your favorite algorithm challenge site and be familiar with the languages you list) as much as they are the ones having a hard time securing them and getting through the "get to know each other"/"learn how you think" interviews.

There is a shortage of programmers, jews are tired of having to pay programmers $60k+, they'd rather have a ton of dumb monkeys in debt who will work for 25k

>cost center
>real money
No. The people making the real money are almost always the ones directly responsible for making that money. IT is viewed as a cost center first and foremost in most businesses.

>look at newspaper
>like 40 software jobs
>tiny section for other jobs
Hmm

they're all fake

Any corporate job will separate the two you monkey. Ux designers work more closely with business than the software department

I'd gladly take my first job for 25k. The super seniors with 50+ years experience can take the 500k+ ones.

Why should we pay you 25k when pajeet will do it for 12.5k?

Same desu. I'd do it just for the "relevant industry experience".
>it's job with a bad title episode

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>3 years experience with COBOL or FORTRAN required, 5 years preferred but we'll teach you the rest!

underrated

>we'll teach you the rest
I'd leave the NEET life behind in a minute if I could get someone to teach me programming or something on the job.

why don't you have the drive to pick it up by yourself?

Not a lie, not a programmer either. I went the route of hands on tech. Still.. shortage was a fake to bring in VISA workers from other countries. Which were complete and total shit. I dont program yet I still have to point out bugs in code.

Right now as I'm about to graduate in 3 months.

You're 40 years too late for that.

There is a shortage of good programmers. In my CS class of 40+, most people don't know horseshit. Not that I'm special, but I'm not *that* retarded. The good ones will get a job.

There is a shortage of good programmers willing to work for a shit programmer's wage / working conditions

To be fair, the local ones are taught not to shit in the street.

no. the ones with friends/family inside will get a job.

Don't know why people try to hide behind the merit argument. There's apparently a shortage of people in tech hiring who can magically divine when a programmer is good or not. More often, it's about being able to list the most relevant stack in your resume.

make it "shortage of programmers that can both understand and express themselves in common English, have bare minimum soft skills to communicate with non-technical people and can offer reasonably steady performance" and it ain't no lie

so basically what says

you're missing the
>plus 5 years of experience and 10 years with Node.js