Are phones without headphone jacks really as bad as people make them out to be...

Are phones without headphone jacks really as bad as people make them out to be? Answer only if you've either owned or used extensively a phone without a headphone jack.

Bluetooth headphones > chorded

I use a phone with a headphone jack but I wouldn't mind losing it, though the reason is I never watch anything on my phone ever and I have a separate audio player I carry around with me for music

I have a Huawei mate 10 pro, I've had it for a few months now. Originally, I wanted a phone with a headphone jack but I decided to try this one out because of its massive battery (4000mah)
I bought some cheapo USB-C>Audio Jack adapters from Aliexpress in different colors to fit different headphones/in ear plugs.

Anyways, it has never been a problem for me, ever.

I almost bought a newer model of my phone but stopped because it doesn't have a headphone jack. I carry headphones with me to work and I want to be able to choose them based on comfyness, not because they are the only model available. I never have to charge them either. I hope the newer model that comes after reverts back to having a headphone jack, so I don't have to switch brands.

don't pretty much all phones without the jack come with an adapter though?

I don't know, but then it's still one more part for me to misplace if I don't take care of it. If it doesn't come off easily I guess it could be stored plugged in the headphones.

Tell me more about your phone user, I want one too.

My old w210i didnt have a headphone jack and i didnt mind it then but i like charging my phone and being able to listen to h-asmr before i go to sleep nowadays

bluetooth audio still sucks

I have the Moto Z Force. Adapter isn't the most convenient, but I have QC35s so I don't need to use the cord often anyway.
Partially true but you're listening on a phone anyway so I weigh the convenience higher than audio quality. Latency is arguably a bigger issue.

The latest iPhone models are pretty good

u11+ here, phone comes with adapter plus included headphones that work from usb-c.
Atm im only using included headphones so I dont realy care.

As mentioned before Bluetooth headphones are a thing. But the jack is nice to have if you just wanna plug your phone into something else, like a garage stereo or something.

You probably have a bad pair of Bluetooth headphones then

or their phone is shitty and has a spotty Bluetooth connection

I don't need to have used a phone without a headphone jack to know it's shit, because I use my headphone jack on my not crippled phone literally daily.

I haven't used a headphone jack in over 3 years.

Wait why did I just bump a bait thread. This meme should just die already.

Plug and Play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>. charging headphones every fucking day

Come back when bluetooth headsets cost $5 like wired ones do.

I have a Moto Z2 Force (seems like pic related?) and I honestly don't notice at all. The only place I use my audio is in my car, and I have bluetooth, which is way more convenient than actually plugging it in.

I don't like that it doesn't have one on principle, but it doesn't really affect me at all, so whatever.

What about the bluetooth jack?

Good wireless headphones have batteries that last over a day of continued use
Unless you are literally always wearing your headphones it's every 3 or 4 days

I could live with it I think, I mostly listen to music over Bluetooth on my car. At work I use headphones connected to my workstation and at home speakers.

Bluetooth sucks they always die at the worst times. Just another shitty device to charge

QC35 guy here. It notifies you that it has low battery when there are a couple hours left.

I can go either way. I don't have any real issues with my bluetooth headphones as they can last at least 12 hrs without a charge. It's nice to have the option to use wired headphones, but I'm honestly ok with the jack leaving. I mean, you can buy bluetooth headphones for about 5 bucks now and they'll last an hour or two. It's really not as huge of a hassle as people want it to be.

yes there's often a latency with anything bluetooth related

i'm more disappointed in the constant light hiss that is present whenever the bluetooth connection is active.

It's irritating when watching something and lips move out of sync from audio

>I use my headphone jack on my not crippled phone literally daily.

You can still plug in your regular old headphones without a 3.5mm jack, they'd just have a knot where the adapter is permanently plugged in.

I'm with you though. I've had 10 devices in the Nexus/Pixel lineup, but I'm getting off this wild ride and have a Moto x4 coming. I want a fucking sd card slot and headphone jack.

>another thing you have to charge / keep track of
>higher latency with possible connection loss
>audio quality isn't as good
>have to cram DAC into headphones, making price more expensive
>can easily be stolen, bigger can just pull them off your head

That's the fault of your bluetooth headphones, not bluetooth itself. Now you have to make sure that not only do your headphones have good speakers, but also a good DAC and amp. Battery and antenna are important too. Any of those sucks and your headphones are ass.

It was so much simpler when the only important aspects on headphones were speakers, cord and comfort.

Latency as well as it ALWAYS seems to cut out for a split second every few minutes for me. I've tried multiple bluetooth receivers and sending devices. Always happens. Either bluetooth is just ass, or there's some kind of weird interference around here that fucks up bluetooth but not wifi, 2G, 3G or LTE.

connecting to bluetooth takes longer than plugging in a cable

Flipping a switch or pressing a button is faster than taking out a cable and putting it into your headphones and into your phone

No. I own a car and a home theater system, at no point an I ever using any earbuds or headphones because I don't take public transportation or walk anywhere. With LDAC and APTX HD I don't use aux in my car anymore.

There's no benefit to the removal

>open settings on phone
>go to bluetooth menu of phone
>hold down power button on headphones until ready to sync
>press connect icon for proper icon on phone

vs.

>plug in cable

I haven't used the current iteration of no-headphone-jack phones, BUT:

I used stuff back when they last tried getting rid of normal 3.5mm jacks in the early to mid 00s. Phone and GBA SP needed dongles to connect headphones, and the GBA SP needed an extra dongle if you wanted to charge and headphone at the same time (hello Apple...). It was ass. It's somewhat more viable if you only ever use one such device, but becomes irritating when each thing needs its own different fucking dongle.

Today I still use headphones with multiple devices: 4-pole 3.5mm mic+headphone jack in phone, same thing in laptop, and normal 3-pole one in desktop (+a goddamn dongle if I want to use my 4-pole headphones with the separate mic jack too).

I've tried bluetooth audio, thinking it would be convenient not to have a cord from my ears to my phone or to my computer. It's every bit as bad as people are making it out to be. The sound quality itself isn't bad at least with decent headphones, though it's still a small step down from wired. Latency makes movie audio never quite sync to lip movements. Gaming isn't as enjoyable when your gun goes bang a little bit after it shoots. Periodic very short dropouts are no big deal in phone calls, but it's really irritating listening to music.

I thought BT 4.0 and then LE were going to solve these things and tried this shit all over again, but no, same issues. I'm sticking to wired and only getting stuff with standard headphone jacks until the replacement is actually better than what it's trying to replace.

Their literally is it frees up all the space waisted on the obsolete jack up for infinitley more useable hardware.

...

>Swipe down for quick settings
>Tap bluetooth
>Flick headphone power on
Takes about 3 seconds

>Take cable out of pocket or bag
>Plug into headphones
>Plug into phone
At least 7 seconds

Don't need to own a jackless phone to tell you they are really as bad as people make them out to be.

a) plug your headphones in and be on your way

b) have yet another device you need to keep charged, shit audio quality, etc. everything every other user has said so far.

It's garbage. Make sure to relay that to whatever company has you doing this survey.

If you're going to get rid of the 3.5 fine but at least provide 2 usb-c or 2 lighting ports. I'm not upgrading from my lg v20, once it breaks i'll probably go back to dumb phones.

> Swipe down for quick settings
> Tap bluetooth
> Flick headphones on
> Wait 5 seconds for it to pair
> Realize you forgot to charge your headphones last night
No music at all

> Take cable and phone out of pocket
> Put headphones in, plug into phone
Instant sound

Phones without dacs are trash

All phones have DACs you idiot, or did you think the speakers were somehow digital?

It doesn't take near 5 seconds to pair via bluetooth. 1 or 2 at most. If you have headphones with a shitty battery life that's a separate problem.

Using dongles is ass but ever since I bought a $30 pair of chinkshit Bluetooth earbuds I haven't missed the headphone jack. Audio sounds fine and charging them is a small price to pay IMO

It's absolute dogshit. It's like being back in the early 2000s again where every device has it's own proprietary charging port that doubles as the headphone output.
I've been able to tolerate it though since most of the time I'm using my laptop to listen to music.

For car rides though I have to use this bulky setup.

1. Headphone jacks aren't goddamn obsolete you driveling retard
2. If they really needed that little space to put something else useful in, then they can make the phone like a fucking millimeter thicker.

3.5 connecter was/is a truly universal audio connector that always "just works". One pair of headphones worked on your phone, your laptop, your friend's laptop, connected to any aux connector for any sound system anywhere, etc. Now we have a fragmented mess of competing BT standards where consumers have to see if headphones they want to buy have whatever special codec their phone has for higher quality audio and then if they get a different phone the next year or the standard gets updated they have to buy completely new headphones all over again. Contrast this with a pair of Koss headphones I've had for nearly 20 years, they've worked with every audio device I've ever owned from the days of carrying a CD player on up through every smartphone I've ever had. Then there's the flip side where a one year old pair BT headphones I bought had to be sold off because they didn't connect without immediately dropping the connection to my new phone even though I never had an issue on my old phone.

Right dude the jack is so obsolete that a certain fruit logo company still puts it in every device they sell that isn't a phone.

Only thing that's been an issue is wanting to charge while listening to music. So sorta annoying but only one rare occasions

There will always be a market for phones/devices with headphone jacks. You couldn't pay me to use a phone as a daily device with no headphone jack. I probably use mine almost as much as the USB C port.If I were forced to, I could get by without MicroSD support. I could live with no removable battery. But removing the headphone jack is too much.

I love my LG V20 and if ALL phones go with the no headphone jack design, I'll go old school again and just use a flip phone and dedicated music player.

It own a iPhone8 and a bunch of androids. It's only an issue if you have a huge issue with wireless headphones, if not it's no big deal. I take the iPhone8 when I go running with wireless because it's easier than dealing with BT dropouts I always seem to get with Android phones and don't have to deal with the wires

>what is AptX

A proprietary codec owned by Qualcomm.

What said and also something that raises the price of headphones just to achieve sound quality matching conventional headphones that cost under $20.

>Cellular phones suck they always die at the worst times. Just another shitty device to charge

>proprietary
Let me guess, you Re-encode all of your shit into vorbis and FLAC?

I'd prefer having a jack but it hardly matters a whole lot to me

t. I don't usually listen to music on the go and it really doesn't matter whether I need to use an adapter or not when listening to some lecture/audiobook or podcast in bed - although it'd sometimes be nice to be able to charge while listening

I already change my phone, tablet, laptop and power bank every night one more isn't that big of an issue

>audio quality
I only keep mp3 320 on my phone so it makes no difference if I use my nice wired set at home or my chink bluetooth earbuds

>I don't usually listen to music on the go

How do you live? If I had to listen to the train every day I'd kill myself.

also means iphone does not support it

I'd never own one. I've had enough of this crap in 00's.

i don't really care either way.

Why is there no wi-fi headphones? I don't think bluetooth is salvageable, the whole stack is just a horrible shitshow.

Bluetooth can't even do 320 kbps MP3s though.

Not everyone is a poorfag who has to use public transportation.

This. The Iphone does not support Apt-X or LDAC lossless bluetooth music. Until then i am staying corded. 90% of the music on my iphone is 24/48 flac.

Tried a friends iphone 7 jet black 256 with the the dongle last year. Fucking Nope. I broke the fucking dongle cycling in jeans. Right angle 3.5mm TRS is more robust and actually solderable.

Staying with my Jailbroken 6s forever. If i loose it i will prob go v20 / v30 just for audio output.

>plug headphones into dongle
>don't unplug it

I don't get what the problem is. I have a headphone jack, but if I didn't I'd just leave the dongle on the end of the headphones, effectively just modifying the connection and adding an extra inch of cord.

Like what's the fucking issue?

All music has chords, whether it's compressed through bluetooth's lesser quality or pushed through a cord.

>I'm shit at bait and will try to catch you with the old poorfag trick

Because most people use their headphones with more than just their phone.

>bluetooth headphones have been around for almost two decades
>the quality is still crap or only works on select devices
>3.5mm has been as good as it gets since 50's
Why remove it if you aren't going to provide an alternative?

Good luck when your battery starts running low. I pack a 20,000 MAh battery pack with me when I fly, but you can't use that and your dongle at the same time.

Sell more Airpods.
alternatively,
See Apple removing the headphone jack and go "Hey, we should do that too!" despite having no Airpod-like product to speak of.

You can, but you need to go through dongle hell.
See

It's not that bad after a couple months when you get used to it. It only occasionally sucks when I'm in a car with my friends or something and they have an aux cord.

Like what? Empty space? A fucking barometer? What if I want to listen to music more than I want to know the friggin air pressure? Unless they're replacing it with an integrated fleshlight that interfaces with an AI assistant, they can keep their grubby hands off my headphone jack.

Yes. Bluetooth headphones are great but lack the reliability and convenience of grabbing any random pair or earbuds or headphones and using them, plus aux cords.
>inb4 adapters

I don't even have a jack-less phone and I don't see why they would be so bad. Earbuds break all the time because of their cords. Using cordless earbuds means they'll break less. Before this people complained all the time about how delicate earbuds were; well here's your solution.

God damn Sup Forums get some new shitty memes

Every pair of earbuds I've ever had break were because of the cable, true. But it's a hell of a lot easier and less expensive to buy and install a new cable off of Amazon than it is for a new rechargeable battery.

Not everyone lives in a city with such crap public transit that only the poor use it. Around here it's the quicker way to get places if it goes to them. Traffic is bad, parking is worse. Drive for an hour, look for an open parking spot for half an hour, and then walk for 15 minutes; or take the train for 45 minutes and walk 3 minutes. And if money is any object to you, you will have paid enough to get a monthly train pass after you buy gas park downtown for 2 days.

If only more headphone makers would realize this. It's hard to find right angle ones now, especially for TRRS. Everyone has to follow the godawful Apple straight-out-and-soon-to-be-broken-off design instead.

The wireless usually breaks before a wire would.

Thanks, China.

I charge my phone.
I charge my powerbank.
I charge my laptop.
I charge my tesla.
I charge my house.
I charge my vibrator.

I charge my phone.
No need for a powerbank. Phone has a monstrous battery and a USB OTG port, and I'll have my laptop most of the time anyway.
I don't bother charging my laptop. I'll be bringing the power adapter anyway since the battery's a piece of shit and the brick isn't big.
I don't have a tesla because I am not a faggot.
I don't charge my house. That doesn't even make sense.
I don't have a vibrator because I am not a faggot.

One device to charge, and I can charge it off the laptop if I forget. Minimal hassle. I don't want any more things that need charging in my life.

I charge my bull

He's right, but in a different way. You shouldn't turn off Bluetooth if your devices support 4.0 or LE. They are designed to be low power and auto suspend when you aren't using them.
Hell, I have BT ear buds paired to my sub-100 android. Never have battery problems or having to reconnect.

> DragonFly Red just for Car Trips.

True Patrician showing his power level. I bet you run it straight to an amp and sub no head unit like a real man too.

>working in a building without a parking garage
>not having enough money to pay for parking when not at work
Poorfag detected

>implying many of the buildings here have garages
>implying it wouldn't still take longer to get there and be more stress in a car instead of train

>what is AptX
>A proprietary codec owned by Qualcomm.

Yeah friendly reminder Apple and Qualcomm are involved in a string of legal disputes at the moment and arent getting along.

So hillariously the biggest selling phone in the world is left with a decade old lossy Bluetooth audio codec. Sony has LDAC and they just baked the codec into android O which is awesome but you can only buy sony LDAC adapters.

I hope LDAC becomes the new wireless standards and the chinks reverse engineer the codec so i can buy a cheap MMCX adapter for my chink iems. Currently [pictured] is the best wireless you can get. The Sony MUCBT22 MMCX adapter - buts its expensive and rare as fuck.

Leaving Bluetooth open like that introduces another attack vector. You should only have Bluetooth turned on when you're using it. Also, it's hell to pair most devices with multiple devices.

it depends on how you use your phone and if you are willing to tolerate what Bluetooth sound has on offer everywhere in your life that you don't want a dongle.