How do I get a software engineer job/internship?

How do I get a software engineer job/internship?

Ive applied to so many places in the past month none have contacted me back. Am I just fucked and retarded?

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Same. I get to the interview tho, but split spaghetti.

I had an interview on Monday and another one on Tuesday(they contacted me minutes after the interview on Monday) but i'm pretty certain they won't even call me back.
A friend of mine had already gone through 7 interviews.

Nah OP, I applied to over 50+ places and literally only got ONE response for a coding challenge.
Do NOT get discouraged, do NOT give up. Keep applying.

Few questions: How many projects are on your Github account? Are you a Senior/Junior? Have you taken System's Programming/Data structures/Algorithms yet? What types of job postings are you applying to?

>A friend of mine had already gone through 7 interviews.
I know such guy. I bet he doesnt know a half I know.

The tech industry is cancerous. It's all about who you know, not what you know.

>t. Someone who works in the industry but refuses to resort to nepotism

Even with experience it's fucking hard unless you know someone.

^this.
What's your degree? GPA? University? Did you do any extra curricular activities? Internships while in school?

If you answer too many of these the wrong way, there's your answer. Look to defense contractors or small/medium size tech companies. Be willing to start in non-prime areas. Don't chase prime companies (not that the work is) unless you're a prime candidate.

Anyway, drop nfo.

>How many projects are on your Github account

Zero. Problem is I never really finish personal projects that I start. I have a android app that I use myself to keep track of workouts/lifting and I few unfinished shitty games but thats it. During the school year I honestly don't have time to be working on these. Fuck yes I do, I just spend it shitposting on Sup Forums

Start your own projects so you have something to show for if you haven't worked in the field before.

Then make a web page and put it up there

>Zero.
There is your problem, you need to get coding.

First thing they do is to check out if you got shit there and do a google, linkedin etc. If you haven't made anything before, well then you are in the end of the line compared to someone with experience. So get coding.They are never looking for someone who just finished their education, you need to have something to show for. Well some use their thesis though. I had experience from before I took my degree, I still focused a lot on my thesis and just gave them screenshots and so as I couldn't share paper and code due to non disclosure agreements

>How do I get a software engineer job/internship?

There's quite a few ways to do it...

First there's the traditional merit-based ones where you can show a potential degree, a portfolio of work (it's quite common for potential employers to ask for your github account), references and the usual CV stuff. On top of having good qualifications you also need to be able to give off a good impression at the mandatory interview(s) and essentially just do a very good sales pitch of you as an employee. Hell, some of the best advice I wish someone had told me rather than me figuring out on my own was to treat interviews as sales pitches.

Secondly there's the less-than-honest ways. Probably the most effective of these is good old fashion nepotism, but it's obviously going to require you to have the luck of inheriting those contacts. Other than that there's just making friends in organisations and circles those organisations like to be associated with, but this isn't as effective as traditional nepotism. However if you are lucky enough to be a woman, be able to make yourself a "woman" (i.e declare yourself trans), or a non-asian minority there's always the diversity hire route and that can be just as effective as traditional nepotism.

Getting into the tech industry is definitely doable, but the honest way is unfortunately the hardest route to take. It's the route I took and was successful at it, but I did end up spending several months going from interview to interview before I got my pitch down well enough.

Still hasn't answered what his university is/degree/or GPA. There's the source of his problems.. the thing he doesn't want to admit. Enjoy the smoke being blown up your ass otherwise. If most companies don't even give a good read of your resume, no one gives a shit about your random code projects. You're either a spectacular person at a no-name university or doing good at a notable university. Outside of that, you have to be a known rockstar code developer due to having accomplished something note worthy.

>Ive applied to so many places in the past month none have contacted me back.
Figure out why. I applied to tons of places for years and got basically no response from any of them. I eventually reached out to a few and asked them what kinds of things were "failing" me in their eyes. One of them got back to me and mentioned some really stupid little thing on my resume that apparently all HR people think means something in particular about your psychology. I changed that and nearly all of my subsequent applications got responses.

HR people are anal and dumb, and there's probably something on your resume triggering them (or you're just actually retarded)

Judging on what the OP's been saying in this thread he's probably somewhat ashamed of one or both... Still, if you have a decent portfolio, references and skills that are in-demand (which in this day seems to be Java and Javascript with one of more popular web APIs) getting a job/internship shouldn't be too hard.

I have an associates degree from a community college and Im a transferred to Kutztown University. GPA at CC was around 3.4 last semester I got a 2.93....

Yeah I'm a brainlet I just want an easy codemonkey job so I can support myself and enjoy my other hobbies. Is that too much to ask for? All the internships I applied for where in the Philly area.

Also I'm freinds with a girl in my comp sci department who has gotten multiple offers and she barely knows how to fucking code. It's not fair bros.

for all of you who are still in college, listen closely:

you want to start looking for your first internship to take place during the summer between your sophomore (2nd) and junior (3rd) years. you generally don't need any experience for this. talk to family, family friends, and professors who know about internship programs at companies, and check your university career portal.

once you go for your 2nd internship (between junior and senior year), if you're not invited back to the same place, then you still have a leg up on prior experience than many. same rules apply.

senior year starts: Get your resume polished up in august. career fairs are usually in september. go in a suit and tie with copies of your resume on quality paper (ship it out to staples, fedex office, or campus print center). good employers at a good school may phone interview you as soon as the next day and start in person interviews within two weeks. if you're good, you'll get a job offer in november/december of your senior year, with the job offer starting after you graduate.

t. business major who is a Senior Software Engineer at a large software company

an overall GPA below 3.00 is a big ding. some employers (unfortunately) use it as an automatic cutoff. however, this is your OVERALL GPA, across all semesters. one bad semester won't ding you.

get your resume reviewed
kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/career-development-center/for-students.htm

and then apply through here:
kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/career-development-center/ku-career-network.htm

if your professors actually like you, ask them for recommendations, and honestly, don't be afraid to ask them if they're aware of any opportunities. if you're interested in specific companies, ask them if there's any alumni they know of that they might be able to reach out to and ask if they want to help a current student. they can always say no.

without alumni and profs, I would not have gotten a TENTH of the interviews I did.

a foot in the door beyond HR is a HELL of a thing.

> Community college + 2.93 GPA
There's your issue. Now think of someone who went to a prominent University w/ a 3.6/3.7 .. Now think about 1000s of these people applying for the same job. Why pick you? That's the reality.

> Yeah I'm a brainlet I just want an easy codemonkey job so I can support myself and enjoy my other hobbies. Is that too much to ask for? All the internships I applied for where in the Philly area.
There's your issue as you just stated it. Now fix not being a brainlet. You're behind and bottom of the stack on paper. You have to fix that if you want to be considered. The industry doesn't want someone whose just going to clock in, muddle up the code base, and clock the fuck out. They want someone whose serious about their career and passionate about code development. If you don't convey that while looking beneath average on university/GPA, you're dead in the water especially for an internship.. Internships are harder than a job.

> Also I'm freinds with a girl in my comp sci department who has gotten multiple offers and she barely knows how to fucking code. It's not fair bros.
Welcome to liberalized cancer.. The workplace is a motherfucker. Said best here :
Just so you know, I attended one of the top 5 universities for computer science, had a 3.74 GPA, was in multiple clubs, work experience in IT/Web Dev, and it was still dam near impossible to get an internship. Now-a-days, what you need to do instead is develop something of value on your own. All the tools are avail to you to do so. Also, drop this fucking attitude :
> Yeah I'm a brainlet I just want an easy codemonkey job so I can support myself and enjoy my other hobbies.
You either are passionate about development, serious about a professional career, and it's priority #1 to you or you can fuck right off and play the lotto.

Reminds me of how I purposefully decided to troll the HR department at a position I didn't really want to begin with despite being an almost perfect match to what they were looking for...

In the job description they had a whole section talking about how much they loved diversity using that typical corporate-drone-trying-to-sound-human type language and in the job form they asked what you thought about diversity and inclusion. To this I wrote about how I loved when organisations don't treat people differently based on surface characteristics like race, gender and sexual orientation, but instead keep a great diversity of skills and how people with many different approaches to problem solving can provide so much to a team. Then to really trigger the HR drones I lamented about how there's this pervasive idea that you should hire a whole bunch of people based on their surface characteristics assuming that your race, gender and sexual orientation somehow defined you and that it somehow meant that you automatically had a unique perspective to the team.

Needless to say I the response was rather quiet until a few months later I got one of those "thank you for applying" emails.

^listen to this guy.
and this one :
Indeed.. They have scripts that filter various stats below a threshold. Human eyes literally never see them nor are you considered. Why would they when they have 1000 people w/ a 3.5+ GPA?

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>real world example

>be in my sophomore year at a good university. struggling to get interviews and past round 1
>family friend works at a massive pharmaceutical company
>willing to give me a referral
>2 immediate offers for internships, one in data processing (with R) and one in business IT
>choose the latter

>junior year
>fuck, still struggling again
>want to get at a big software company in Philly area
>their university recruiting (at the time) is fucking horrible
>even get invited to attend a conference the software company holds. Thousands of dollars spent on me at their dime
>still can't get an internship
>Pharma company saves the day again, another internship (non-IT area)

>senior year
>have some interviews but have trouble getting the opportunity where I want
>professor used to work at the software company, knows some people, tells me to apply for yet another internship (part time while I finish college)
>get the internship immediately, start in January
>by end of March, full time job offer based on my performance for when I graduate
>been there for six years now

My biggest kneecap was my GPA. My major GPA was great, but I hit a really bad semester in Sophomore year that torpedoed my overall to just below 3.0. And even then I had opportunities because I knocked on a lot of doors. I spoke with alumni at tons of huge companies, spoke honestly with profs, got recommendations and referrals, everyone pushed for me because I asked nicely and they knew I had the work ethic.

I now repay that debt in turn by letting my old profs who recommended me have students reach out to me and see if I can offer help or advice in starting their careers or getting them interviews.

Submit "const" 1000 times o the Linux kernel and you'll be flooded with job/internship/marriage offers.

^networking and connections .. a big part of getting to the front of the stack w.r.t to internships.

the tech industry?? xDDD that's the entire world and all jobs, friend

you need either to know someone in or already have lots of experience

as a business owner and jobs creator, i'd never hire some random stranger with nothing to show

it's not about being bad, but about being smart about your company assets. you don't want to put a random psycho in your company who will ruin your projects and make clients go away

OP here. And I'm not even the worst I know. Alot of the people in my school are awful and barely know how to code.

Last semester in one of my classes we had a project where we had to make a simple text editor in Java. It took me a few hours the night before it was due. When I went in too class the next day like %40 hadn't even finished it. I know it's a shitty PA state school but still. If I can't find anything I can't imagine how screwed some of these kids are.

>software engineer job
What the fuck is software engineering?

>I trolled HR by taking the time to fill out an application in a way I knew wouldn't get me hired
Yeah you sure showed them

>How do I get a internship?
>internship
Americans actually do this

How pathetic do you have to be to compare your situation to that of other to feel better about yourself?

Pretty pathetic I know

Trolling is just saying or writing things that do nothing except cause people to get upset over. Writing a job application is hardly that much more work than writing a forum or a blog post about how hitler supposedly did nothing wrong and the jews deserved it.

Its not just who you know

its how far over youre willing to be bent over

no programmer i know works 40hours or less per week. 50+ is what i hear from everyone. even small business employees. 50+ AND being oncall 24/7

and youre expected to know/be capable of solving things outside your range of expertise and skills

owners do not treat workers as working people, they treat them as a piece of machinery. they want the machinery running 24/7 and want the least amount of machinery to do the most things even if the machinery overheats and dies in 2 years.

tech is fucking toxic.

programmers need to unionize and come up with reasonable demands. people need to vote for the pro union party. its the only way tech will change. otherwise, you guys will keep getting buttfucked by the employer stealing your work

>muh worker rights
Fuck you. Just go work for someone else if you think your company is not treating you good. Labor laws are retarded.

>fix your cv
>go to job events
>work on your own projects while you're waiting
>start with smaller firms if you can't land a job at big ones

Stop comparing yourself to other people in a positive light especially when other people are absolute shit. You're not competing against them. You're competing against 1000s of people who make you look like shit by comparison. You either want to be on top and you realize the top is way above your head or you're going to continue being a bottom feeder comparing yourself to someone shitting on cardboard in an alley.

Its not my funeral, I research for the govt. I work 40 hours per week with great healthcare. Get a full night's sleep every night. Have time to exercise, work on my own projects and have a social life.

The pay is less than a big private company but more than a small one.

You can keep being overworked and stressed if you want. But theres better out there.

Labor laws are the only thing guaranteeing you arent working 16 hour days without benefits. If you want to see what a country without labor laws looks like, feel free to head to China, Russia or North Korea. However, I'll stay advocating for a better society such as Sweden or Denmark where they treat laborers as people.

>However, I'll stay advocating for a better society such as Sweden or Denmark where they treat laborers as people.
Found the socialist.
You're such a retard if you think Scandinavia is a great example in favor of socialism.
Do you know how bad unemployment situation is in Spain because of their retarded (strict) labor laws?

In free market, you have more choice of employment according to your productivity value, hence you are freer.

>muh ebil corporations
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You are only as valuable to a company as you are productive. Why should they be forced to pay anyone a minimum wage when they aren't worth minimum wage?

>oh yes give me that big veiny corporate phallus daddy

Scandanavia aren't socialist.

The difference between socialist and not socialist is who controls production. Private companies still own the production in scandanavia with a little bit of public/govt ownership thrown in.

Scandanavia would be a step forward but they arent socialist.

I dont know Spains labor laws in enough detail to comment. However I am sure that they are not identitical to any other country. Each situation will require different looking laws at different times.

Instead of wasting time bashing things in an unnuanced fashion, it would be more productive to decide if you want better or worse labor situation. Then try to craft laws and such around that. Instead of trying to slam Spain down everyones throat as if that is the only option.

What is preventing employers, in a free market, from coordinating to keep laborers in awful conditions? In fact, this has already happened. The US used to be a lot free-er. Miners were working 60 hour weeks with little safety or health considerations. Manufacture labors lost limbs left and right. The free market did not prevent that. Regulations had to be imposed to prevent such conditions. China is one of the freest modern markets in terms of regulation. The govt controls what gets produced but gives investors free range beyond that. Is their working conditions something you strive for?

>living the US oligarchy
When will you yanks learn?

>Spain
>Scandinavia

Because a society where you can use people as 16-hour-day slaves that get paid 30 rupees per month is closer to the savanna than to a developed country?

Thats untrue, you are only as valuable to a company as how much they can get out of you while giving you the least.

I can be von neumann or feynman but if I demand healthcare, a company could say Im not worth hiring despite being highly productive.

That's some shitty inductive reasoning there

Spain is shit, spain has labor laws, thefore all labor laws are shit

Gonna need to see your resume, familia.

Put them on there you tard. Any experience is better than none.

meant for

Most large companies in Scandinavia are owned by the government. There's no incentive for innovation when there's an assurance that you'll get NEETBux at the end of the day no matter what.

>Instead of wasting time bashing things in an unnuanced fashion, it would be more productive to decide if you want better or worse labor situation.
Labors are better off in a true free market than in a regulated one.

>What is preventing employers, in a free market, from coordinating to keep laborers in awful conditions?
The fact that there is competition. There can't be any lobbying when there is no govt regulations.

The average pay of US factory workers was more than what an average person makes today (taking in account the inflation).

You can't compare China to that of any first world country. You can't really judge what's bad and what's good for labors in China while sitting in your first world apartment. The manufacturing companies are giving a better life to Chinese laborers than what they'd have without them.

That was not the point. You completely missed it.

That doesn't happen unless you are talking about crony capitalism.

>Thats untrue, you are only as valuable to a company as how much they can get out of you while giving you the least.
Nope. A competitor will pay you more if you are getting less than what you deserve in a free market.