How has the repealing of Net Neutrality affected you?
It's been 2 months
Isaac Myers
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Grayson Gomez
a lot more NN shit posting threads have come up
Juan King
It's terrible. It's like pre-2015 all over again.
Brayden Jenkins
The reason you haven't seen many effects yet is because there are several lawsuits going on right now to reverse the repeal.
ISPs are putting on their best behavior, wary of providing the ongoing proceedings with any ammunition.
So your implication that the repeal won't affect our lives because nothing has happened so far is misinforming and fallacious.
Now go back to r/The_Donald.
Robert Cox
>So your implication that the repeal won't affect our lives because nothing has happened so far is misinforming and fallacious.
>Now go back to r/The_Donald.
>neutral post asking a question
>NN shills instantly triggered
Not everything is some right wing dog whistle. Enough with your delusions.
Christopher Wilson
Will the negative effects of repealing NN happen before or after the second coming of Christ?
>muh fear mongering is for real this time guize. I PROMISE
Wyatt Thomas
Hopefully never because we are putting up a serious fight in court.
Shoo shoo, neocon shill.
Luis Powell
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Adrian Cook
I'm not even American, but this is embarrassing
Dylan Ramirez
Frivolous lawsuits. Literally just virtue signalling. Everyone knows that title 2 didn't do any of the shit they're telling teenage libshits it did. ISPs have always been free to create internet packages if they chose to. Yet they never have. Really makes you think.
Landon Rogers
I can't wait for cheaper internet bundles to come out with limited access to certain services. At least at home, I don't do shit except watch Youtube. I'd happily take a reduction in internet access at home for whitelisted google services.
Also, at work I interact with a lot of really small businesses that honestly don't need an internet connection aside from their use of a debit machine. Why the fuck would they pay $60 / month for full internet access that is completely unnecessary if they could pay, say $5 / month to have the access their debit machine needs? I love the opportunities this presents.
William Hall
>no understanding of economics
You're the ones suggesting if let ISPs extort more money from us, that money will somehow eventually trickle down back to us.
>of law
Ajit Pai literally broke the law with his repeal, which is what we're using on our lawsuits. You don't know the law.
>and the technology
You're the ones suggesting the Internet is like "pipes" and that content providers are clogging the pipes.
>made-up issue
It's not made-up when there were several cases of abuse. Pic related.
>special-interest
Name one. You're the ones being paid by ISPs.
>reddit pic
You're the ones who came from r/The_Donald.
Your entire meme is just a classical case of "accuse them of what you yourself are doing".
Samefagging like you are doing is what's embarrassing.
>Frivolous lawsuits
Incorrect. Pai's repeal did not follow the FCC regulation. And you faggots say we are the ones who don't know the law.
>ISPs have always been free
Incorrect. Until recently, the FCC had the power to stop them from abusing their customers, but then those powers were stripped.
Title 2 became necessary due to a change in the law.
Again, you are the ones ignorant on the law.
See, this is what I'm talking about when I say that you are the ones who know nothing about technology. They are not gonna be cheaper, they're gonna cost the same. What's gonna change is you're gonna pay more to get the same level of service you are getting now. The Internet is not a series of tubes.
Ayden Moore
Information disproves EVERY single ISP shill talking point. They are nothing but misinformers.
Pai is under investigation for committing Internet fraud by flooding the discussion about the Net Neutrality repeal online with bots.
techdirt.com
ISPs are now trying to introduce bogus "neutrality" laws to prevent the old rules from being restored:
techdirt.com
Contrary to what ISP shills claim, companies like Google are NOT supporting the net neutrality effort:
techdirt.com
Conservatives and Libertarians are also pro-net neutrality:
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Liam King
Net neutrality doesn't hurt competition:
>Mark Jen, the chief technical officer of a small internet provider named Common, which was founded last year by a group of former Square employees, said that complying with net neutrality doesn’t require any work.
>“The default configuration of all of the [networking] equipment is to [follow net neutrality],” Jen says. “While net neutrality sounds like rules and regulations, it’s actually just saying everybody has to run stuff in the default mode, which is as fast as possible and great for everybody.”
>Rudy Rucker, co-founder of another small wireless internet provider named Monkeybrains, said his company hadn’t encountered any difficulties either. “Maybe there’s something I’m missing,” he said, “but it’s not bogging us down.”
>Small ISPs haven’t received the never-ending complaints some have feared.
>Peggy Dolgenos, the co-founder and co-CEO of an ISP named Cruzio, said her company has been rapidly improving its equipment. “We’ve been upgrading our infrastructure as fast as we can,” she says. Her company currently has 35 employees and serves about 9,000 customers. “We’ve been investing like crazy. We’re about to invest in a really big local project to install fiber optic cable in our downtown.”
>Many smaller ISPs said they saw net neutrality as an advantage for their business, too. “If you’re looking at what companies will get paid by big providers like Netflix, it’s not smaller ISPs, it’s large ISPs who already have practically a monopoly position,” Dolgenos says. “They’ll just cement their position, and it’ll just crush competition.”
>Over 40 small ISPs wrote their own letter to the FCC last month requesting that net neutrality stay in place: eff.org
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John Miller
We've paid for the infrastructure and last mile to be rolled out. Twice. The fucking cunts have pocketed the money after defining the rollout differently from what any sane person would. TWICE. The government should step in, pull some eminent domain shit, and take all of this fucking infrastructure and remove these greedy kikes at the head of every single ISP. Natural monopolies should not be allowed to be run by the private sector, nor should any regulations be in place aside from consumer protection regulations (like making it illegal to oversell a DOCSIS node, making it illegal to snoop on data by any actor, or to tacitly collude to rape the consumer in price, availability, etc, all in the name of MAXIMUM PROFIT).
It's one thing to be a 16 year old contrarian r*dditor that came here just as the election was heating up, it's entirely another to be so unintelligent that you can't even be clever with your shitposting. I can't understand how you literal niggers can shitpost about NN at all, for any reason, since it would destroy your one bastion of shitposting and force everyone to some corporate owned shithole like redd- oh wait, I get it now.
Joshua Taylor
Theyre caught up in lawsuits, dipshit. now go tell the slimey koch oligarch whos paying you to find a better narrative
Landon Robinson
Just post the master list of talking points and accompanying techdirt article links you were given by your organizer. It will save time.
Ryan Reyes
> shitposting and force everyone to some corporate owned shithole like redd- oh wait, I get it now.
No it wont, you fedora wearing chronic masturbator. Youve got a handful of semi related gripes throughout the entire existence of the internet, almost all of which during the explosion of mobile devices. ISPs are well within their rights to determine how their infrastructure is ussd, despite what community college economics like to think. Dont like it? Build your own shit. Compete.
Camden Adams
>Libertarians are also pro-net neutrality
Then they're not Libertarians. Libertarians are so against government regulation that they question whether the FCC need to exist let alone whether or not it has the constitutional authority to tell computer owners how to run their software.
Christian Wilson
This. Liberals changed the definition of Net Neutrality to mean we need the government to protect our internet. This was not the original meaning.
eff.org
RIP John Perry Barlow
Hudson Wood
>we can't sell adspace here because it's not a sanitized space, like r*ddit
>site can't keep up with the rising cost of throughput set by tier n providers
>r*ddit wins again
Rly mks me think.
>ISPs are well within their rights to determine how their infrastructure is ussd, despite what community college economics like to think. Dont like it? Build your own shit. Compete.
You have yet to provide an argument. You also don't seem to understand that the fiber/hardware infrastructure has been subsidized by the American taxpayer. Twice.
ISPs have a set amount of throughput to provide, yes. They oversell it or under-deliver (via not finishing the last mile) because they can, via tacit collusion with other ISPs pushing everyone else out of the area with regulation that favors them and lack of competition. The first point, regulation of the marketplace put in place by these ISPs, makes it virtually impossible for others to get in on the action. Ever wonder why not even a behemoth like Google couldn't even break into the ISP game?
I'm guessing you're not even old enough to remember the breakup of telecom monopolies and how much of a big deal that was. We should be taking that to the next level this time around and firebomb these captains of industry and make sure you shitposting bootlickers get a taste of the rope.
Jacob Rivera
Who the fuck do you think is going to protect cyber independence when private companies are the ones that allow mass access except for the government you fucking retard?
Gabriel Wilson
My ISP has raised my mbs twice from 80 to 200 to 500.
Dominic Barnes
my ISP started charging me 40 dollars more for service :^(
Charles Morgan
>net neutrality protects mass access
>1TB data caps started in my area during net neutrality
Thanks Obama!
Carter Russell
You have no concept of econ just as the other guy said. Netflix got you t terrified because they're going to have to pay higher bills, but it's fine when Netflix raises their own prices. The consumer will not be affectred.
Joseph Wilson
Michael Lee
>Liberals changed the definition of Net Neutrality to mean we need the government to protect our internet.
We do. The internet is pretty much a public utility or a part of the commons now. Back when Barlow wrote that, it was more or less self-regulated because it required a fair bit of technical knowledge just to operate a computer and connect to it. Today, it's quite literally omnipresent thanks to wi-fi. It sucks but them's the breaks.
The NN we had was barely a placebo. All it did was force ISPs to warn costumers about throttling and caps and shit and they'd be in the clear. Which didn't stop the bigger ISPs anyway because really, who's going to punish them? And now we don't even have that placebo.
Ian Campbell
This undeniable evidence for the effects of deregulation is to jews as salt is to snails.
But of course everyone is ignorant to it, and how high up the lobbying ALWAYS goes. They want you goys to forget about it.
Charles Adams
Here's what happens when someone makes a sloppy attempt in the eyes of the public:
youtube.com
What's going to happen when someone does it out of sight and under the table?
Noah Ward
So are the people licking ISP's boots paid shills or are they just retarded?
Tyler Lopez
I still have shit 6Mb down/768k (yes, mf'ing K!) up. Big whoop.
Anthony Hernandez
If the repeal of NN wasn't a case of taking from the common man and giving to the rich, why were republicans in favor of it?
John Lee
Is commiefornia a third world country?
Xavier Howard
Not at all, and nothing will happen.
Justin Ross
Frontier announced a $20 price hike for my area the week NN was repealed. They announced better speeds "In the near future". kek
Cooper Davis
Maybe you live in one of the 50 states fighting the repeal.
William Mitchell
republitards: owned
Adam Rodriguez
I fuckung wish redditors will just kill themselves. Sure, maybe it might not be good, but those dumbasses made it sound like the end of the world. It's just like how they trump will be impeached ever since he is elected. Reddit, please stop fear mongering and masturbating to your destruction fantasies
Nathan Howard
>thinking that the dems will look out for the little guys and fight the big bad corporations
>thinking there is still a 2 party system
Oh user...
Samuel Jackson
the way that dems are also pro-business and fuck us over but at the same time aren't as pro-business as the gop is retarded
like are you even trying
yall just gop-lite but with gay marriage
internet should be nationalized
Jordan Lewis
>internet should be nationalized
Stay mad poorfag. Not all humans need to give the government blowjobs to stay alive like you.
Easton Collins
I don't understand the right side of this image tho
Hunter Phillips
>A whopping 0 arguments.
It hasn't because the repeal wouldn't come into effect until 60 days after the vote occurred. However, this hasn't stop retards like yourself from posting shitty threads like this, in which, perpetuate the meme that somehow everything wrong with the NN would occur days after the repeal.
Michael Robinson
Alright, you want an argument? Why do you think the government will make the internet better? Not only will they finally get unreigned bounds to spy on all civilians, but they usually are massively inefficient and wasteful when it comes to things that doesn't effect them too much.
Andrew Thompson
Moreover, if the internet is nationalized, this actually wipes out all choice. At least there are still areas where there are 3 to 4 isps to choose for. It is because of governmental regulation and subsidies that caused isps to monopolize in some regions. What makes you think the government will suddenly do a good job?
Colton Cooper
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Lucas Hernandez
Moreover, user, please take a long hard look at your image. While you argue for a policy considered to be more socialist, you deny that greedy bankers and corporations outsourcing to illegals is an issue. You call coal miners, farmers, and home owners the problem. The first two are simply working class citizens trying to earn a living. And what the fuck is wrong with home owners? Are you so flustered that you are so poor because you are stupid with money that you think property is bad?
Jose Young
They doubled my speeds. I now get 100 mbps for $25 a month.
Joshua Brown
I would gladly give my life if it meant doing away with all socialists and union members.
Kevin Clark
mine too last month i got this 1tb cap half way through the month with just some light torrenting streaming and gaymin
i shudder to think whats going to happen in a few years when the isp's let loose
Christian James
You realize the entire point of the quote is that discriminating against conventionally-hated things sets precedent for expanding that discrimination further?
Lucas Allen
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Nolan King
Who are you talking to? I've never posted an argument in favour of the nationalization of the internet. But, if you'd like to take a look at who's spying on you, his name starts with a D and ends with a P
Noah Torres
Reminder that net neutrality under the FCC protects businesses, not consumers.
Adam Wood
This
Parker Lopez
Why does Sup Forums oppose making it illegal for government to have paid monopoly for ISPs because they bought the right to be the only ISP in a city?
Robert Barnes
Maybe you came off the wrong way, but I'm pretty sure you said that
Zachary Gonzalez
>Trump is spying on you
And I wish he would touch upon this issue, but I would say Bush and Obama were the worst offenders when it came to this. The alphabet agencies are even worse.
Caleb Fisher
fucking morris broadband
you pay for their enterprise package because it's tolerable speeds despite being like $200/mo
>they see you're using more than usual for the occasional lan party or binge watching something
>immediately cuts the speed of like 100mbps to 10mbps
>internet cuts out almost constantly
>they have a high speed internet monopoly with the exception of at&t, but at&t in the area is even worse
this was always a problem but has gotten like twice as bad since the repeal, not even joking
why did i fucking support the repeal
Isaiah Evans
Three years ago Time Warner (now Spectrum®) upgraded my speed from 100 Mbps to 300 Mbps without any extra charge and/or fee.
Recently they sent me a promo to upgrade my speed from 100 to 400 Mbps (I moved like a year ago and the higher speed they were offering at the time of my moving was 100 Mbps) for only $40/m more. Currently paying $42 for 100 Mbps.
Parker Evans
I mean since they pretty much have monopolies already for specific areas, I doubt the price will actually go up on my end.
I mean if they wanted more money from me, I'm pretty sure they'd just charge more because it's not like I really have a choice who I use. They're already charging as much as they can really get away with, otherwise they'd charge more. They don't need to repeal net neutrality to charge me more.
The main thing I was worried about was the censorship aspect of it, but with the way big presences on the internet are acting (Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.), censorship is going to happen anyway, so what does it matter if it's a company like Google doing it or an ISP doing it?
I don't see the big deal behind it.
Cameron Phillips
You guys here complaining about price hikes when I cant even get a line set up in my area and Comcast already got service set up a few blocks down a month ago.
Colton Barnes
It hasn't
Benjamin Mitchell
My internet bill went up over 50%, thanks drunph
Angel Mitchell
Nothing. But that won't convince the free trade faggots that established, experienced corporations know better than muh markitz.
Josiah Campbell
>How has the repealing of Net Neutrality affected you?
It's not in effect yet, shit for brains. How does it feel to abandon reason to suck daddy's dick online and fit in with a gang of 60 year olds?
Nathaniel Barnes
I have truly unlimited data on my straight talk phone.
Samuel Cook
My Comcast bill went up again. You fuckers promised this would lead to a break because they now get to take money from Netflix as well.
William Miller
Why are nanny state shills so scared of monopolies? A monopoly can only come into existence by providing a massively superior service than anybody else. ISPs have done that.
Landon Martin
Oh no the horror of people paying their taxes!
Hudson Butler
>cheaper internet bundles
We already have that now though: buy whatever your ISP offers as their cheapest plan; probably something like 10mbps up/1 down and 100gb data cap. In most places (including rural areas but excluding areas that require Satellite internet due to distance from an ISP) a plan like this is around $40-$60 per month. If you honestly believe that an ISP will willingly choose to charge less than this amount to someone looking for "basic" internet, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
Ian Thomas
>A monopoly can only come into existence by providing a massively superior service than anybody else.
Or have some other power that lets them do it. Either way, once they're a monopoly, they don't have to provide even remotely good service anymore. When their only competitor is no service at all, they only need to provide a better experience than not having any.
Luke Bell
Internet access is a public utility, just like water and power.
Nicholas Allen
I hope shit gets worse so poor ass pussy libfaggots cry more
Christopher James
Seeing ISPs work on future "features" is really scaring me but right now it's okay.
Nathan Gray
Robert Powell
MY DISTASTE FOR REDDITJEET REMAINS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH
Anthony Long
Just move faggot
John Price
That's not how the world works, user.
Brandon Garcia
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Brandon Phillips
>The reason you haven't seen many effects yet is because there are several lawsuits going on right now to reverse the repeal.
HAHAHAHAHA they're still going with their BS
Logan Reed
Maybe if you're a poor leftist queer that can barely live of gibsmedats but people that aren't retarded shitskins can move to better areas.
Zachary Walker
>California tries to copy Texas
>They fuck up horribly
Yeah guys, real surprise here.
Brayden Green
>How has the repealing of Net Neutrality affected you?
Turns out Sup Forumseddit and all the MUH PAYING EXTRA PACKAGES FOR MUH NETFLIX AND BLACKED hysteria was wrong again.
Christian Sanders
>lets uproot and move across town for faster internet! Who cares if we are currently on a lease, or need $$$ for first, last, and deposit upfront to get into a new lease! Who cares about the impact that moving presents!
Sup Forums was a mistake.
Brayden Fisher
Besides giving ISPs more money, what benefit does abolishing net neutrality have anyway? I've yet to read anything that will be a benefit for consumers.
Julian Perry
So, once NN is actually removed, how long until everyone on Sup Forums will pretend they were always in favor of it? I'm gonna say 6 months max.
Carson Campbell
Whenever the ShareBlue checks stop coming
Angel Garcia
trolling libtards epic style
Benjamin Jones
>their infrastructure
>their
Not really, no. More like the government is paying them to "build and maintain" our infrastructure. I don't even feel like jumping down the rabbit hole and chasing after tangible numbers between state and federal subsidies, and the fact much of the seminal root of the internet was directly researched and developed by the fed or at least funded by it. Then there are the tax breaks inherent to infrastructure and the huge cost/profit margins they get to manufacture.
Luke Young
>he thinks he's going to get cheaper internet bundles
ayy lmao