This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.
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First for the glory of Daini Seikosha
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what a shitty strap
I don't think watches are even fashionable anymore
Xth for watch world is fucked up.
In one spectrum you have shitheads like teaching mens fashion shilling fucking DW, MVMT, FIFTH, VINCERO and all that kind of fucking crap, that a honorable working man should never wear.
"They offer the aesthetics of more expensive brands such as omega for a smaller price, while still giving you a reliable time piece that will last you a long time, use our 1 % discount code nigga"
>normies flock to the vid and buy that crap in masses
Women are totally trend whores and they will go to ridiculous lenghts to have the flavor of the month DW, or a chink copy og it on their wrist.
Shitheads like hodinkee, ac3, fed shill "hand made" "swiss" timepieces that are no way near close to their actual value and offer literally nothing for the normal man. You cannot do anything to the watch, even change a strap yourself in worst cases.
SWATCH (male) GROUP have converted the actually glorious and superior swiss watch tradition into another marketing scheme "DW for the rich".
Where are the true bros who should be silling Casio, Seiko, QUALITY vintages?
When you look at them now and then look forty five years ago which is more embarrassing, TAG Heuer, Tissot, Longines or Omega?
The only one of those I would actually want a vintage watch of would be Heuer (or maybe a few Omegas).
But objectively, probably Tissot or Longines. They've been relegated to entry-level shit when they used to be very respectable brands.
Omega isn't complete crap today.
Orient glass is shit my glass scratched. I need a watch with saphire....
Get a Rolex
Poor Longines...
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Replace the crystal with a sapphire one then.
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An idea what that would cost?
Probably around $50 if you buy the crystal and have a watchmaker install it
Well thing is, "value" is market driven. Good vintage handmade swiss pieces are indeed nice, and watch collectors with money to burn are driving the prices up. Even seiko vintage is very expensive compared to 10 years ago. Hard to fault hodinkee etcetera for shilling those.
However I do agree it is bullshit with faggots like tgv, fed make 19 minute videos about some relatively obscure vintage watches which shoots the prices up like crazy and making known stocks evaporate.
My advice, just stop giving a shit. Avoid youtubers like the plague, generally speaking. Watchfinder does nice videos I admit. I prefer teardown videos, actual service related stuff. Like Spencer Klein. Specialised blogs and forums are far more informative anyway.
Not sure what your watch is, but a sapphire crystal for an orient mako is $30 on crystaltimes for example, and a crystal press can be had for like $15 on ebay.
>>Where are the true bros who should be silling Casio, Seiko, QUALITY vintages?
People who actually care about the manufacturing quality and the technical and horological merits of watches are very small minority today, especially of production watch buyers. Even the majority of online "watch enthusiasts" are really just brand enthusiasts who debate and discuss which brands stories about themselves they like better.
Online you are only going to find people who actually care about the technology and art of watchmaking in small specialist forums and here. That's basically why I post here and not any of the big forums, and why I don't watch most watch YouTube channels or read many watch websites.
Second.
How to I make a too large in diameter watch more comfortable?
I have a ray ii. Thats very reasonable
become obese
>buying "vintage" watches
No one actually does this right? You're just buying an old used beat to shit piece of shit that was sweat in and had cum and shit particles all over it
I prefer buying brand new watches every six months because I enjoy salesman dick up my ass so much
There is still hope among us I see.
There is not a single attractive modern piece made sub 400 dollars, vintage is the only option.
You can stick to your certina all you want, more good shit for patricians.
Why are you responding to obvious bait?
I mean you are just basing this off your own biases. Per example objectively Omega is making very interesting and high quality movements these days and yet one guy on here doesn't like them and said the finishing was bad so half the board now totally dismisses them. The fact is you are creating your own criteria for what is "good". If you want to make another comparison; virtually everything about a Rolex is objectively better than everything about a Grand Seiko. The only accurate criticism is the hand and index side finishing but that is only if Rolex chooses to use white gold stamped hands. When you see a Cellini the finishing of the hands and indices is excellent. The Rolex is around the same price, easier to buy, easier to have serviced, Looks significantly better on most people, has an extremely durable and accurate movement, excellent bracelets with perfect fitment. Rolex also has a far more significant history than Seiko. But by your criteria Seiko is better just because you like it better. The fact is peoples criteria are different and thus they reach different conclusions which is why there is not just one watch brand. People that come to different conclusions than you are not "horological plebs".
>salesman
There's this thing called the internet
>That's basically why I post here and not any of the big forums
Same; when I've tried to engage on watchuseek, Reddit, and other big forums, I get a lot of "why do you have to nitpick every little thing, can't you just enjoy your watch without obsessing about what's inside, my 1861 is the same watch that James Bond wore to the moon, etc" when I try to discuss technical watch features. I don't necessarily have anything against folks just thinking of watches as jewelery, but if that's the only way they are discussed on a particular forum, it's pretty useless to me. Sad as it is, most of the best watch discussions have been on Sup Forums.
>There is not a single attractive modern piece made sub 400 dollars, vintage is the only option
How come every time I see this thread a large majority of posts are Seiko-related? Is there a Seiko marketing team targeting this board or is everybody here just poor?
Post your collection
Why is there a Thinkpad thread with people buying old laptops for $100 and using them every day?
The average Sup Forums user is younger and doesn't have a ton of money.
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what watch is that 'elder poverty' watch?
Well, it's my first watch with an acrylic crystal, and I've only had it for 2 weeks, so unfortunately I can't give you any advice, though I'm sure someone on here can.
Polywatch has a very good reputation (i.e. people use it on their Speedmasters without fear)...I haven't actually heard of anything horrible happening with people using it, so if I were you, I'd probably try it. Rumours have it that certain kinds of toothpaste also work, but if you're going to experiment with that, I'd suggest reading up a bit on it and going slow and carefully. Toothpaste is essentially a grit sander, so I think you'd have to go easy. But good luck anyway.
It's funny how you assume that poster is me just because he actually cares about the manufacturing quality and the technical and horological merits of watches more than brands. That guy is not who you are assuming it was, and I was one of the posters responding to him.
Leaving aside the technical issues I have with modern Omega movements, their case/dial/hand/bracelet finish are observably grossly inferior to Rolex, Grand Seiko, Zenith and entry level JLC models. The external finishing Omega tries to give you on a $4,000 Aqua Terra is simply unacceptable by comparison to to other high-end production watchmakers.
Your assumption that I would rate Grand Seiko above Rolex is also wrong, even if I personally tend to like more of Grand Seiko's range than Rolex's range aesthetically, I consider them to be comparable in terms of quality. I have no interest in engaging with all the baseless assertions about Rolex and Grand Seiko you made, though.
It's a Russian vintage sekonda
>Sad as it is, most of the best watch discussions have been on Sup Forums.
Tell me about it. The biggest problem is that all the posters who know anything about the art and science of watches only post in small specialist forums about single brands.
Poor effort, 2/10.
That's been my experience too. However I've come to realize that the main watch forums are essentially 2009 Facebook for watches. People post their watches, hoping for social validation and a pat on the back for spending so much money, all the while still feeling guilty about dropping 3000$ on something that they probably shouldn't have gotten. The last thing they can deal with is someone on there saying, 'dude...that was a bad purchase, and here's why....'
I've found here that people tend to do away with all the pretense, and we can get down to business. If I had asked people on WUS about the future potential obliteration of the fine watch maker companies due to economic and social factors within the next 10-15 years, they'd not only say that I'm wrong, but that I'm being a downer. Here we can have a fruitful discussion about financial demographics (imagine saying that the "Chinese are the ones supporting the Swiss Industry" on Reddit...you'd be branded a xenophobic racist) and social factors that might contribute to the watch companies having to make severe changes in the future.
The last problem of course is that people on those forums would ask, 'why does it matter? Just enjoy your watch.' Well, it matters because it affects what products companies release, what directions they decide to go in terms of r+d, and of course, the availability of models that we like but are saving up to buy in the future.
Hence my walls of text...at least you guys will read them and think about them...on other forums, these ideas fall on deaf ears and dumb heads.
A grail for you all.
>(imagine saying that the "Chinese are the ones supporting the Swiss Industry" on Reddit...you'd be branded a xenophobic racist)
That would be weird, since even Hondikee is saying it. Reddit just doesn't talk about that kind of things though.
What's the SUPREME of modern watch brands?
>tfw no Queen Seiko for my gf
assumption
>true bros who should be silling Casio, Seiko
>quality and the technical and horological merits
Based on your own criteria!
what the fuck is going on here?
look
this guy answered the question. maybe he is new here and curious. Fucking soyko males are the most toxic fuckers in the watch community.
>all the while still feeling guilty about dropping 3000$ on something that they probably shouldn't have gotten
This is a problem for me desu, I want a Black Bay but I have a lot of trouble spending $3k on well... anything. The only thing I own worth more than that is my car.
>calling people poor for having literally the best price:quality watches isn't bait
Ok, bud. Post your collection
Still wasn't me, and it was obvious based on context he was complaining about marketing driven conglomerate watch brands rather than shilling for any specific brands.
Isn't it funny that lots of people seem to agree that Sinn, Damasko, Nomos, Rolex, Grand Seiko, Zenith and Jaeger LeCoultre plus vintage Rolex, Omega, Seiko, Girard Perregaux, Hamilton, Eterna and Hueuer all have good manufacturing quality and horological merits?
It's almost like there is a fair bit of consensus on which production watchmakers actually put in the effort to make high quality production watches and which makers spend far too much of their annual budget on marketing.
It's a problem for us all until we accept (emotionally) that any watch over a $15 quartz is a luxury, and thus not a necessity. This is the problem for lots of people...they try to justify a watch that is not a shitty quartz as something that they kind-of need, and this is why they need forums (watch support groups) to keep them from thinking it out rationally.
The bottom line is that if we are spending for a luxury watch, we're spending for a luxury watch. A $200 watch is no different financially to a $2000 watch in terms of rationalizing it, because ultimately you need neither. This is purely a 'want' purchase which means you have to treat it like an icecream you buy at the local fair. You don't need it, but you want it, and you can afford it, so you buy it and forget about it.
You have to treat watches the same way; if you can afford it, and treat the purchase in your mind like an icecream, then there's no guilt, no remorse, and you enjoy the watch. As always, just make sure your financial ducks are in a row before you do so. Easy.
Today is commie shitter vodkadiver day.
This is the only watch that can handle the rough ride when you dive between Natasha's fishnet legs.
I've had it on this vintage NOS rubber strap ever since I restored it and I don't want to put anything else on it. This strap is comfy as fuck and it doesn't have that manchild look to it as the more modern dive straps.
r8 my watch
6/100
One of the better choises if you just want a basic watch and nothing more.
Though the ticking is a minus.
Oh and right now I took the movement out of the case and put it in the leak tester. I tried to make it leak at a very low overpressure (cause super compressor design), high pressure, and I tried to blow the crystal out by rapid decompression.
So far nothing. Not bad for a forty year old commie shitter.
I should mention that I did replace all the old gaskets with new Amphibia ones.
Thingken of solar since it's apparently the only way to get a dress like thin watch without complications (no day date too).
Seiko or citizen? Gold or Silver/SS? White or black face?
I really only like ironman watches from timex, their analog ones are super loud.
Who /literalshitpost/ here?
Citizen, SS, black
>be meme watch brand
>target dumb oil-rich arabs
>copy meme patek
>plastic fucking case
>BLACKED
>miyota quartz
>stem and crown looks bent on the product picture
>300 burgercoin
>"Let's name it "nuun"
Lmao this shit never gets old.
Top bliat
FOR THE GUY WHO LIKES VINTAGE CASIOS
ebay.com
Bought one from him, band was nice, no issues great watch
Nice panties faggot
I suppose you’re right, it still feels odd to me. The nicest watch I currently have probably cost about $2k in 2018 dollars, but it was the father’s so I can’t really think of it as a cost. I’ve only spend under $200 on my own watches up until now. Out of college, money spent, see no future etc, but I have enough now to buy something nice. I’m just wondering if I should say fuck it and drop $3k on the one I really want or try to find something cheaper that’s close to it.
I never see the Ironman line mentioned here, I personally think they blow away the Casio shitters that are currently in vogue with hipsters. Pic related, my running watch for the last couple years. Apologies for the shit photo I didn’t have any of it.
gramps is that a special editions Apple Watch?
It's called a banana hammock, but thanks anyway
What the fuck is going on in that subdial?
thats not a banana hammock dumbfuck, those are kids panties.
Is that an enamel dial?
nice referral link cunt
It’s what the eBay app shat out, I’m on the toilet what do you want from me
clean link (this is likely them advertising their shit watch for sale anyway)
ebay.com
Okay, so I basically managed to simulate the Byford Dolphin accident at roughly half pressure. The rapid decompression of the pressure chamber didn't even do anything with the Amphibia.
Fuck, these shitters are tough.
shit watch, it is a manual wind, you will literally have to remember to wind it every day or so or it will stop and lose time. and it will be shit to hold time too.
That's not a referral link, shit for brains. Kill yourself.
Possibly. Not my picture, some models were enamel, a quick google tells me.
On the cult thing, I do think it's way more cool to spot an old ironman with the square face and double buttons rather than the usual casio f or w series.
The Ironman are just way better than everything else, sportwise.
BIG clear digits, the whole shit lights up instead of just the faint small numbers like with some g-shock, proper timer and chrono with logical displays, interval timers, etc. And cheap.
You have other brands that do digital-sport watches and computers but nothing beats Timex for sub 100 bucks sport watches.
My third one, the previous one I had for 10 years died after it's strap broke apart and since it's part of the bezel I just decided to get a whole new one. I like these slim profile ones, they get less in the way.
What are you wearing today /wt/?
is that the 39 mm version?
See
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i used to buy fake rolexs but realized that no matter what it makes you look like a twat.
And fyi that is a really poor fake.
No it's a 114270. The 39mm says Explorer at the bottom of the dial, the 36mm ones have it at the top.
>When you look at them now and then look forty five years ago which is more embarrassing, TAG Heuer, Tissot, Longines or Omega?
I'd say Longines is the most embarrassing. They've fallen so low in modern times I keep forgetting that they should be mentioned alongside Omega, Rolex, Seiko, Girard Perregaux, Eterna, and Hamilton as great pre-quartz production watchmakers.
On the other hand, I'd say Omega was the biggest loss to horology as Omega and Lemania were two of the greatest production movement designers and manufacturers of the pre-quartz era and all that institutional knowledge was torched by Nicholas Hayek.
You are just adorable
>No it's a 114270
Patrician taste.
Almost everyone here will agree that we live in deeply troubled horological times. One of the most widespread manifestations of the trouble in the watch collecting community that we see here on our little corner in /wt/ (and other forums) is the "Seiko Male", so a discussion of the psychology of the Seiko Male can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of the horological community as a whole.
But what is a Seiko Male? During the first half of the 20th century what we call a "Seiko Male" could have been practically identified with homosexuality. Today the community is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a Seiko Male. When we speak of Seikos going forward we have in mind mainly Weaboos, leftists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, "metrosexuals", racemixers, and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a Seiko. What we are trying to get at in discussing Seiko is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological type who happens to collect wristwatches, or rather a collection of related types who are involved in the watch community. Thus, what we mean by “Seiko Male” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of Seiko psychology.
I remember reading that Seiko was actually interested in buying Omega before what later became the Swatch group did. Wonder how that would have played out.
It's real my dude
Seikos tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate Rolex, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that Seikos give for hating the Patek, Vacheron, Rolex, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the Swiss because it is overpriced, simplistic, gaudy, inaccurate and so forth, but where these same faults appear in Japanese or in other pet gook brands, the Seiko finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Swiss horology. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the Seiko’s real motive for hating Swiss timepieces. He hates Rolex and Patek because they are strong and successful.
If the Swiss watch industry had no problems at all, Seiko would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
Seikos are desperately anxious to prove that Japanese wristwatches are as valuable and as capable as a Rolex. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that Seikos may NOT be as valuable and as horologically significant as a Rolex.