archive.is/CSyhD >The House of Representatives is about to vote on a bill that would force online platforms to censor their users. The Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA, H.R. 1865) might sound noble, but it would do nothing to stop sex traffickers. What it would do is force online platforms to police their users’ speech more forcefully than ever before, silencing legitimate voices in the process. >The House Rules Committee is about to approve a new version of FOSTA [.pdf] that incorporates most of the dangerous components of SESTA. This new Frankenstein’s Monster of a bill would be a disaster for Internet intermediaries, marginalized communities, and even trafficking victims themselves. congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1865 The bill changes section 230 of the CDA, the law that protects website owners from liability for what their users post, to carve out an exception for instances of human trafficking. Site owners can be held liable and subject to a criminal fine or imprisonment for not more than 20 years.
What this means in practice is that all it would take for a website to be shut down and its owner arrested is a false flag operation of spooks engaging in human trafficking. All US sites would become forced to impose extremely heavy-handed moderation and censorship or shut down entirely, Sup Forums included. This bill has strong bipartisan support and will likely pass unless heavy resistance can be organized quickly and on a large scale.
Voting on the House Floor is scheduled for THIS TUESDAY. Start spreading this information on as many websites as you can before it's too late. If you know anyone with a large audience try and get them to spread the word. If this bill becomes law then it's GAME OVER for free speech on the internet.
Meh, doesn’t America already have the same shit in place for child porn and nobody aside from radical libertarians seems to mind? I mean, I find it hard to believe that any bill would allow websites to be taken down just because certain users posted illegal stuff on there before immediately getting banned. Sup Forums never faced negative consequences as a result of all the rampant CP-posting that used to happen on Sup Forums because the mods made it perfectly clear that Sup Forums isn’t a CP website. A website would only be censored if the owners/moderators do nothing to prevent illegal content from being posted there. All the bill would do is take the rules we already have against websites posting child porn and apply it to sex trafficking. What’s the big deal?
Jackson Stewart
This is interesting.
Wyatt Campbell
Well. If host a website, and someone who doesn't like you, or is just trolling, post sketchy material, you could be taken down under this law, presumably.
Grayson Carter
It's much harder to tell if someone is talking about sex trafficking than if they post an illegal combination of 0s and 1s.
John Fisher
>falling for reddit lies and going against this I knew Sup Forums was cucked when they tried to defend netneutrality.
Brayden Murphy
>cucked
Vladmir pls go and stay go.
Angel Bennett
It's going to be used as a backdoor to get SOPA/PIPA stuff in.
Jackson Cooper
I support this. Nothing to hide, nothing to say etc...
Freedom was a mistake. Everybody should shut the fuck up, pay taxes and follow ALL laws without questions.
Christian Evans
epic, epic for the win
Ethan Robinson
don't respond to bait just share the information with your family and have them post to cuckbook or something then post on twitter
Colton Flores
You have something to hide? Or something worthwhile to say? I doubt that.
Dominic Davis
T H I S
Ryan Cook
This will never pass lol. If it does it won't last. Just means people will have to get a job until they have enough money to fight for their own opinions.
James Peterson
Retard
Justin Perry
>GET OUTRAGED... Again! >This time it's for real, I promise! They're going to shut down Reddit! >GAME OVER!
Henry White
>U.S. >mfw not an amerimutt
Ian Garcia
It has bipartisan support.
Dominic Martinez
Congress can't pass a budget, I sincerely doubt they could pass this.
Ryan Powell
This is going to get thrown out silently once the news stops giving a shit
Ayden Torres
Americans....
"Freedom"
Levi Robinson
Good goy
Parker Turner
It will if nothing is none right now.
Jace Morris
See
Andrew Morris
>only be censored if the owners/moderators do nothing Source please
xD
Zero substance arguments.
Luis Brooks
If this will happen... Anyway, it was nice to meet you all here, in this bloated CERN network.
Cooper Davis
Well it could actually be used to shut down websites that talk about who's doing the trafficking so nobody ever finds out about the trafficking.
Depending on how its worded exactly.
Liam Brown
why do (((they))) keep trying to destroy the internet
Jacob Scott
I don't need freedom cuz I'm not a pedo, shut up pedo.
Adrian Miller
Because it goes too fast for (((anyone))) to keep ahead of. So (((they))) neuter it so they can keep much better tabs on it.
Zachary Ross
first off I can't do shit. I'm one user and no one gives a fuck about what I think, especially not """THEM""" but secondly this could actually be good in the long run. Please tell me all the times that governments have succeeded in banning anything. It just makes people want to do it more and makes people adapt. see alcohol bans, see drug bans, see music bans, see book bans, see cuban cigar bans, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. I actually hope they do pass this and do start doing stupid shit like throwing chink moot and youtube eceleb cancer and plebbit owner in jail because it will show the world how vulnerable and stupid the current internet is and will force innovation and development of censorship resistant technology. What ever doesn't kill us makes us stronger and this will be no different. If we fight this we are saying we want to stay weak and keep this current bitch-tier internet with all it's central points of failure and bullshit regulation. We should be supporting this and encouraging it because the web 3.0 internet that could emerge from this shitshow could be a total wild west internet that we've all dreamed of where there are no fucking rules and no one can shut it down or censor anything.
Isaac Ward
Retarded
Sebastian Flores
So... what would a website have to censor to prevent its use for human trafficking? I'm pretty sure politically incorrect speech is not something even tangentially related to the matter, nor could anything that's just lewd or obscene. The only thing a moderator would be legally required to look for would be people using the site to lure children away. And since Sup Forums already has a rule requiring children not to post here...
Gabriel Jackson
this law yields only improvement
Blake Cruz
If a prosecutor or DA wants to be a shithead and take them to court they can even if they know they're going to lose because it will waste the owner's time and money. This is going to be used as a political weapon.
Henry Gutierrez
>law passes >everyone forced to use/host on Tor >privacy is restored
Austin Young
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William Perez
thank you for your brilliant addition to the conversation. have an upvote sir and some 4chin gold!
Gabriel Edwards
"I can't do shit" is defeatist logic and gaurentees your place.
>no one gives a fuck about what I think Then why am I replying to you, user?
>especially not """THEM""" Then why do we have the media?
>this could actually be good in the long run The internet isn't getting banned, its getting neutered. People will be made to want a bitch-tier internet and the general peddling of fear over values achieves this. If you want to wait until there's shit's up to your face then that's your choice.
> What ever doesn't kill us makes us stronger That phrase doesn't mean you should go stub your toe to gain super powers. It means you should suffer through using your will.
>We should be supporting this and encouraging it because the web 3.0 internet that could emerge You speak of emergence through inverted logic. The internet was an emergent technology. AI is an emergent technology. What could be seen as control schemes for the internet and general policing are emerging as well. Turing tests are starting to fail. Think about it.
zero substance
Wyatt Bennett
Good. Fuck the internet. The sooner it turns into a locked down interactive TV the better. Once the internet is fucked normies will be forced into their containment zones and only elite haxxors will be able to roam freely again. Hacking the Planet will go back to its roots and fags like OP that can't into jacking cyberspace with an Ono-Sendai will be stuck where they belong, on red dit. Seriously can't fucking wait to see the internet get proper fucked by governments and corporations.
Christopher Green
Did anyone actually read the legislation? I'll post some legalese highlights.
>"IN GENERAL.—Whoever uses or operates a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce or attempts to do so with the intent to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. "
The law outright necessitates intent in the promotion or facilitation of prostitution, Sup Forums is 18+ and has no means of formalized commerce, thus negating any 'outright intent'. Additionally, Sup Forums promotes nothing of its users creation beyond the scroll on the homepage.
>"To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to clarify that section 230 of such Act does not prohibit the enforcement against providers and users of interactive computer services of Federal and State criminal and civil law relating to sexual exploitation of children or sex trafficking, and for other purposes"
Though intimidating this is to say nothing more than "Hey, we need to clarify an element of a law that was passed before the internet was even thought of in order to ensure that we have the legal teeth to fight escort and prostitution services."
I'm more upset about this law because it is screwing with my access to women rather than my access to Taiwanese wood carving forums.
Michael Wilson
Okay, time to take servers off the US :^), shame you don't get to enjoy the internet amerifats
Jayden Williams
NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR, SOYGOY
Daniel Torres
>inb4 yuropoors mocking us I'm already going to say, nobody cares about your 3rd world shithole.
Ayden Foster
Cry moar fagget. Cunts like you need to be herded into holding pens on Face book. Your liberal whining is getting fucking annoying. I really hope this law passes just to drink salty tears of cunts like you that can't into freedom because you are too busy thinking and doing what you are told.
Luke Clark
you guys can't even fucking read the bill in question before shrieking about it, jesus.
Ayden Hill
That's not how it works. Any freedom giving "hack" (because apparently you want freedom to be a hack) can be all the more easily patched when things are locked down.
>The law outright necessitates intent You missed the word "or" in there. See below >Whoever uses or operates a facility or means of interstate foreign commerce OR attempts to do so with the intent...
LMAO im none of those things and you're clearly upset
Zero substance.
Chase Turner
Pot, meet kettle
Ian Campbell
>i don't like people that disagree with me >time to suppress their opinions ringing endorsement of freedom of speech user
Leo Green
Did I miss the word or? Because it sounds like your two clauses there specify:
1: Individual who uses or runs a commerce website OR 2: Individual who attempts to run a commerce website with the intent.
I don't know about you but I buy my groceries at the store, not Sup Forums. This isn't a commerce website, and the only thing that could even possibly come of this in regards to Sup Forums is the potential dismissal of Sup Forums passes, or the removal of the front page post scroll. In court the plaintiffs would have to prove that Sup Forums is a facility or means of interstate commerce, which cannot be done, or they have to prove that Hiroshimoot is attempting to run Sup Forums as a website for trafficking.
Logan Fisher
I support neither a free and open internet nor freedom of speech for the masses. Both have proven to be a disaster to humanity. The masses are too god dammed stupid to be allowed to speak or think for themselves. Humanity would be better off with a China like internet, censored and locked down. Freedom of thought and speech only belongs in the hands of persons willing to struggle for it. Outside of underground communities history has proven again and again knowledge, thought and speech are wasted on humanity.
Lucas Torres
>...history has proven again and again knowledge, thought and speech are wasted on humanity as a whole.
Kevin Wright
This is what, the 10th time I'm supposed to be outraged at the bill that will push us into 1984 for realsies this time.
Jonathan Hernandez
Bump
Carter Perez
No, thank you! You are a true gentleman and a scholar. Please, accept this humble offering of reddit gold. _donald
Julian Myers
It's worse everywhere else you streetshitter
Benjamin Ross
It's all incremental and you know that.
>too god damned stupid to be allowed to speak or think for themselves And that will only become more true if you prevent them from ever being able to learn how think/speak for themselves. We live in a society of specialists, so suck it up.
David Baker
Yes I figure you missed the word "or" because the two clauses connect further up the sentence. The whole paragraph you originally quoted can be interpreted multiple ways
Also, it doesn't only say commerce. It says >"facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce" Furthermore, I don't know about the guy you originally replied to, but Sup Forums was never my focus.
Either way, would you mind quoting what a commerce website is for me? Even if we were to autistically focus on Sup Forums, Sup Forums sells Sup Forums passes.
Free speech fails when you have parasites running things through misinformation. That has been a trend through history as well. China and Korea are a disaster, what proof are you talking about?
I could provide counter examples but you would have to provide examples
Nobody asked you to be outraged, be calm and resiliant Also, Brave New World was better
Lucas Reyes
Stop replying to so many posters at once nu/fag/. Your shitting up the thread replying to multiple conversations at the same time. There is no way to carry on a conversation with you as a reply to one of your posts is impossible because every post you make is all over the place
Dominic Clark
Greentext it you projecting /nu/fag, I've been here since 2007
Josiah Evans
This.
It's basically just more political ammo for them to lord over our heads.
"Land of the free, as long as you don't say anything I don't like."
Blake Reed
...
Elijah Ramirez
It isn't, ameritard.
Wyatt Jackson
name one
Jayden Long
...
Jackson Sanders
Switzerland.
Thomas Reed
I mean, to be fair, Sup Forums is probably immune. It's owner is Hiroshimoot, and Japan isn't going to extradite a wealthy business man because some Amerifat judge wants him to appear in court. Basically, the site might get put on servers outside the US, if it isn't already. Just being realistic, it probably doesn't affect Sup Forums at all.
Now, to be clear, 'exchange of data' counts for 'commerce'. Look up the definition of 'commerce website' or 'e-commerce'. It includes data exchange.
Again, this is basically going to be used to target anyone who they don't like, and that's the problem with it. The problem is it's broad, non-specific, and doesn't require the person they'll be prosecuting to have knowingly committed a crime, so it's worthless as an actual tool for what they're marketing it as to try and pass it.
Pink and yellow are bad an green is good. More info on the url.
Kevin Clark
Does trump support this bill or not because it’s a direct attack on free speech
Joseph Adams
Because there are none or very few cases when censorship is acceptable.
Asher Roberts
>mfw live on 3rd world country >has more freedoom than "1st" world countries without any bullshit problems
Ryan Sanchez
jesus christ, its like talking to a retarded 2 year old. You might as well just be saying "cuz I said so".
Logan Long
US is not first world.
kek
Michael Lee
Is that fucking system 7?
Luke Johnson
I think it's time to just accept it
The internet is dead
This goes to vote on Tuesday and has bipartisan support. If you're hoping for a SOPA like backlash you're delusional
Tyler Gray
Ecuador is yellow/bad? And they have given Assange asylum? Seems at odds. What's going on here?
Luis Garcia
exactly
im not seeing this on ANY social media, so its not happening as an against vote.
Wyatt Brooks
similar thing is happening in the UK. in april they're bringing in laws to block porn to protect the children, but most likely they'll block more than just porn.
Nathan Martinez
>we need to let the goverment decide what is best >give up your guns >give up your facebooks >give up your heterosexuality >we are gen z and we are pozed af!!! and we won't stop until we are all happy feminist queerkins!
Nicholas Roberts
well, i don't own a gun, never felt like i NEEDED one
i don't use facebook, but i have my ways of accessing stupid social shitnets.
im not a fag, asshole.
its moreover, we could raise shit about it, but we have apparently 2 days before vote and if anything, i feel that if anything is going to pass, its GOING to pass because THEY wanted it to at the time.
its like the 2016 election. i didn't vote for anyone because the two who were GOING TO WIN, i hated both. why bother voting?
Ryan Morris
I was quoting what """she""" and her ilk would say. they want to stifle free speech and give all our rights away to big government. i say let 'em try because it will only strengthen internet "speakeasy" culture.
Connor Peterson
This is what you wanted, republishits.
Parker Richardson
who cares
James Jenkins
yes because liberals never want to take away freedom from the individual and give it to bloated big government. also note that OP said it's bipartisan that means both parties faggot
Brayden Martin
Go drink some bleach and shoot yourself in the mouth, you dumb fucking shit smear.
Joshua Myers
>yes because liberals never want to take away freedom from the individual and give it to bloated big government >getting fucked in the ass by corporations is freedom
Cameron Nelson
Corperations have competition, and you can always pick a different one.
Not so with government.
John Jenkins
Is Generation X the last conservative generation? So jealous of channers who were born then now.
Elijah Nguyen
Politicians have competition, and you can always pick a different one.
Not so with corporations.
Jayden Ross
>you can always pick a different one This is what republishits actually believe
Jeremiah Sullivan
Not voting still shows up as a statistic. in effect its a middlefinger vote for getting a 3rd option.
Strengthen internet "speakeasy" culture towards what exactly?
downer idiot
Jayden Fisher
>didn't vote >admits it get out of my country
Josiah Williams
>US is not first world. US is by definition first world. The first world was the US and its allies, second world was the USSR and their allies, and the third world was countries that were undecided.
Jacob Myers
I think Andrew Torba is on top of this!
Isaiah Hernandez
This was only true during the cold war, I can tell you my country is not considered first world in any way at all, and we did side with the US.
Joseph Hall
I'd be more willing to be that this will be use to actually track down people who trying to *stop* child trafficking, the cia's side business, rather than help anyone.