Sure pirating is not theft

sure pirating is not theft

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It is something bad and criminal, but it's not theft.
This strategy of calling piracy theft is SJW tier of "everything is rape because rape sounds harsher".

Same thread was made like a week ago

ok pirating is stealing. are we going to stop? no.

The shop owner didn't loose anything though...

if you "steal" something, then someone has to *loose* something.

Please tell us what your point is OP if you even have one

One small lunch for a boy, multiplied into a lunch to feed 5,000 men and women with plenty left over.
It's hard to price things but if you imagine that a simple lunch would be equivalent to around $5, that's $25,000 effectively taken from the pockets of surrounding businesses.

He should have been arrested for that.

If you are stealing something from someone, then person you are stealing from will not have the thing that you stole.

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I don't give a shit
Fuck yourself

>use my completely legit version of office 2016 (obtain from school)
>doesn't include visio or project but whatever, mainly only need word and excel
>decide to progress on my student memoire during a train trip
>obviously no internet
>experience huge lag every ten seconds
>like can't do anything, can't type a sinhle letter nor can i move the cursor
>fucking hell

>later that day
>decide to pirate office 2016 just try
>disconnect from network, enable airplane mode...
>launch pirated word
>works flawlessly
>not a single lag
>not a single problem
>was free (as in beer)
>even includes visio and project, if i ever need/want to use those

Why should i buy like a good goy again?

He needs to lose* something
Your mother has a loose* vagene

Its literally theft of Intellectual property. Unuathorized use of an exact replica of something violates copyright laws. Pretty fucking obvious shit here sherlock.

In my moral system theft of software better, than using drm. I'm bying gaems on gog. If there no drm-free version, i'd prefer repack from vasyan.

There is no subtraction of the intellectual property, so it's not theft.
Also how you would name a crime where you pay some corrupt copyright office worker to alter an copyright registry to give you the rights over that IP?

why would you need a bikeshop if you could copy bikes

>Intellectual property
Yeah it's probably also theft because of all the orgonic energies that are dissipated.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.

Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.

There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically seperate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.

Don't lose you way....

Pic is flawed. Data isn't a physical object you can own, it's just information.

>tfw you are actually *paying* for pirating, because copying files uses electricity and disk space, which you pay for

>nobody has posted this yet
Go back to No other board has such a hard on for piracy like this.

Wtf i hate piracy now

Don't worry, goy - he was arrested nd paid for his crimes

>>tfw you are actually *paying* for paying, because copying files uses electricity and disk space, which you pay for

Yall should stop using the term "piracy". It may sound badass, but it's brainwashing shit companies want you to believe.

>>>tfw you are actually *paying* for posting, because copying files uses electricity and disk space, which you pay for

I'd be lying if i said i gave a shit about whether piracy was theft or not. I really don't care. *continues to slurp TBs worth of trap porn in torrents*

If you could just copy physical things then money wouldn't exist at all because it is retarded to charge for something with an infinite supply. There world in the pic would be post scarcity.

t. big corp pr team

copying and stealing are fundamentally different

If piracy is stealing then damn do I feel good about stealing. Going to keep doing it while you watch.

>game dev sells you a bike
>the tires are not pumped equally
>the chain is rusted and poorly fitted
>the seat looks like it came from another bike
>the handlebars are built backwards
>gears cost an extra $12.99
>gets mad when you make a copy of it that works
Maybe if they actually spent the time to release a complete fucking game I'd be inclined to purchase it at launch. But this problem of releasing a product that is completely broken or unfinished with the intention to patch it later seems to be a problem exclusive to the games industry.

>"content" "creators"

STOP PIRATING WINDOWS!!!

YOU WILL MAKE POOR MICROSOFT GO BANKRUPT!!
REEEE

Yeah those poor indians won't get enough money so by extension you're a racist if you don't pay for Windows

And that's bad how

No, it's pirating.
Pirating is also bad, but it's not the same as theft.

actually everyone does that. it's called cutting corners. the difference with software is sometimes you can update it cheaply.

>$79
Why would anyone pirate such a cheap-ass bike?

>it can only function at sea
What if you torrent a movie while on a cruise ship?

Are you okay with counterfeiting money then? Technically you aren't taking money from anybody, you're simply making a copy

Stealing is ok if your giving it to the poor.

Explain this to me. How does legit Office 2016 (not Office 365) lag without Internet ?

It doesn't. He made up a story to a) bait you into responding or b) rationalize his pathetic life choices.

>expecting pirates to understand value after getting everything in their lives for free

I personally think this retard mistook Office 365 for Office 2016. However, why buy Microsoft Office when OpenOffice and LibreOffice exist ?

t. .dbf files user

We are all adults and should be paying for software we want. If you can't afford simple things like software, maybe you shouldn't fail at life.

Original bike cuck meme

He essentially manufactured that bike with his magic powers so it's his.

No, I am not okay with that, but counterfeiting is NOT theft.

Something can be immoral and NOT be theft at the same time.
Murder is wrong, but it isn't theft.

Pirating isn't theft, simply by the definition of what theft is.

Docs you store in OneDrive are kinda like GDocs, they are saved directly to MS's servers. He just had to create an offline doc, but this wouldn't prompt you to answer.

Fish and bread are not copyright protected, retard.

>Live in a world where you can magically copy anything
Then what does he need money for?

The only time I ever pirated a game was Kerbal Space Program because I wasn't sure if I was going to like it. I actually did buy it on Steam after trying it.

Rms says that piracy is sharing, not theft. So fuck off.

So if I go into a shop and take some then it's ok because they're not copywrited?

Is pirating wrong in your opinion? If not, why is counterfeiting wrong?

He lost a sale

Yes, of course it is morally wrong, there really isn't a debate about that.

rms says a lot of dumb shit, just scroll through his website.
stallman.org/archives/2017-nov-feb.html

No, he didn't.
Firstly a "sale" isn't really a material good, just like you can't sue someone because you "lost hope".
"Stealing a sale" isn't illegal or morally wrong in general.

Secondly, there is no guarantee that the person would have actually bought the bike if he hadn't access to it for free.

Else you also had to condemn lending a book to someone, this is also "stealing a sale" in the very same way.

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underrated

>Pirates: grr evil >:(
>Freedom loving business owner: ;____;
really spoke to me..

No because THAT is theft

If someone can't prevent the theft of an item, they obviously don't deserve to have that item.

That just convinced me its not stealing. It was supposed to convice me the other way around?

You cant steal something, that at which is a copy in the digital world.

It is protected by God inc. and Jesus was allowed to copy it.

this

I'm stealing this line

Wait a minute.

So the shop owner gets to keep the bike (which he can sell for 79$) AND he wants 79$ from the guy?

Counterfeiting is wrong in the same way lying is wrong: you're misleading someone about the origins of a product. In this case, counterfeiting cannot be equated to piracy in itself, but rather to, say, trying to pass off a pirated copy as a legitimate product.

Call it whatever you want, I’m still going to do it.

>What are you talking about man? That will be $79 plus tax
fucking jew

Damnit user. I thought a Sup Forumsent was smarter than that.

I will use the duplication argument on you.

If he was able to produce an unlimited amount of products (aka duplicate them) and you took one, you would have stolen it from him, right?

No think the situation you describe. You have one duplicated product, and he remains with an identical one.

Hint? It is exactly the same, only the power of duplication have been bestowed on you instead of the producer.

See how it still is a crime, user?

asking the real questions here

The original bike is still there, I fail to see how this can be considered theft.

How can you lose something you don't have?

There was an exchange in goods and services without proper compensation.

I.e he got the bike, the materials taken to build it, the design needed to form it and the know-how to assemble it, without proper remuneration.

No, he built that bike, somehow, with a magic ray coming out of his hands. The materials came from the magic, as did the assembly.

It is no different from looking at a product and reproducing it using your own materials and workforce.

That's exactly right.

>There was an exchange in goods and services without proper compensation.
There wasn't

They should have encrypted it better then. It's just a bunch of ones and zeroes anyway you cant teal them faggot. See:
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0
OMG I just copied all of proprietary technology components!

>Its literally theft of Intellectual property.
You mean literally NOT theft.

It IS theft tho,but nobody can stop me from getting dem warez
and i find no need to (((debate))) some autistic anons over some meme definitions

Look at it this way. A piece of software costs 5$ for example. That means for every copy acquired, developers get 5$. You, as potential buyer, are potential 5$ for developers. When you pirate the said software, you got a copy but developers got nothing. You stole 5$ from them.

No, it isn't theft.
Words have meaning and theft means that something tangible was taken away from someone against his will.
You can't steal something which isn't real.

You can argue that piracy is morally wrong, I would agree to that, but it is NOT theft.
It is (digital) piracy, the difference is that nobody has lost any tangible thing.

fuck off im poor

Understandable, have a great day sir

The developers still have the exact same amount of money as they had before, which means I stole nothing.

You can't compare a bike with a copy of a file.

if piracy was theft then why isn't it called theftacy?

Checkmate kiddos.

It sure is Sup Forums in here. There is nothing morally wrong with digital piracy or file sharing of any kind. People are acting like lives are on the line here.

You failed to compensate them for their hard work.

Which is still not theft. An employer that fails to pay its employees as promised is breaking the law and acting immorally, but it's not STEALING from its employees.

The individuals who wrote the software were already compensated by their employer.

What if they're self-publishing?

They're taking a big risk and should be prepared for failure anyway.