If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) or for gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming (especially the i5 8400) or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 1600) >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
Currently on the edge between Hero and Formula mobos, but I am most concerned with the PSU. Almost all vendors here in my country only have Corsair PSUs, but I am leaning towards the EVGA. Sadly the only EVGA stock is either a very old generic 750W or G3 type. Any good Corsair PSUs that can compare to the part on the list? Also, is the Ripjaws V better than the Trident Z RGB? (assuming same Hz and rates) Reviews on PCPP for the Trident mention common crashing and shit, but PC builders and vendors here only care about RGB faggotry.
Brody Smith
Honestly instead of a Corsair PSU I'd go for SeaSonic, like this one here: pcpartpicker.com/list/Q8rWZR If you can't get that model. just click on the filter and pick one of the higher-rated Corsair units. And with your ROG mobo just come out of the closet, go full gay all the way and get the Trident Z. but there's no difference really between that and the Ripjaws V at the same speeds. Some people just may have bad luck with one or the other.
Joshua Hernandez
I'll try and ask the vendors here to get the EVGA (as cannot order parts yourself), but at least I know SeaSonic is safe. But on a scale, would it be EVGA G2 > EVGA G3 > SeaSonic > Corsair?
I'm not really sure about keeping the Formula, maybe I might get the Hero instead because for a small price difference here I feel like there isn't much of an increase in useful features (please prove me wrong here I cannot note the differences myself). Glad to know that there is no difference between the two RAMs.
Charles Ramirez
>Intel >$1200 1080ti wow what a joke just go back to Sup Forums and never come back
Joshua Sullivan
PRESENT DAY
Jayden Brown
I have a question regarding 1060. I was hoping if someone could tell me if cashing out a $100 more for a 6GB 1060 is worth it or should I stick with the 3GB version? And if there is someone else from Croatia or a nearby EU country that knows of websites where I could order graphics cards online? For example, a 1060 3GB is around $400 here. Pls help.
Gabriel Thomas
To add, I would need a better graphics card for doing programming and occasional gaming, but I don't need to play on highest settings.
Henry Smith
Lads I need your help, my mobo died and I need a new one for my 8350 but can't find any 990fx cause they're either overpriced or not available, same with 970 mobos, upgrade is not an option cause I don't have the budget, can get the Asus M5a78l-m Plus but I'm not sure if it's ok for gaming, should I get that one lads?
Easton Bell
Sorry for hurting your feelings poo(r)zen
Easton Barnes
>CPUs Why aren't i9s listed?
Adrian Brown
I don't really get why you want the EVGA so badly, as they don't manufacture it themselves anyway (it's a rebrand). Not that they're bad, I just wouldn't bother making a special order only for this. Get a Seasonic if you're really worried about reliability. Not a lot of difference it seems between the Hero and the Formula boards. Formula seems to be newer, but no significant differences between the two. EUfag here. Honestly GPU's are so fucked right now that you really shouldn't be buying anything. I can't really recommend the 3GB at that price, but the 6GB at $500 is unthinkable. Try the usual German stores (Caseking.de for example), but perhaps just get a 970 or even a 980/ti used (I don't know any Croatian used sites, though).
Ryder White
Just received my order of some parts and accessories. Found this gem on the little MX-4 box. The memes were real.
Also Noctua puts goddamn foam padding in the box with their anti-vibration fan mounts. Better protect that precious silicone. Like, their heatsinks and fans are the best but the wasteful packaging never ceases to amaze me.
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Alexander Scott
Guys. The EVGA store has some cards in stock currently.
I would swap the Pro4 for the PC Mate or Tomahawk (B350-F Rog Strix if you can afford it), get faster DDR4, a cheaper PSU, a better case and just use a keygen pcpartpicker.com/list/f7HrHh
Ethan Robinson
About to build a new Pc. Haven't had to in years. What the fuck are these gpu prices? I knew they were inflated but $1000-1500 for a 1080ti? That's retarded. I planned on getting 2 of those but I can't justify spending 3k on my gpu alone.
Anyways here's what I put together. No gpu included as I don't yet know what the fuck to do about that. Maybe just use my current 980 until prices lower. Critique please, you won't hurt my feelings.
Adrian Carter
Should i buy vga card now or wait for nvidia released their newest card?
Brandon Cox
The keyboard is amazingly gay and probably shitty. Don't get it. Get 2x8gb ram
Thomas Foster
Why do you want to get 2 GPUs?
Luke Green
If you were planning on wasting a huge amount of money to begin with, why are you unhappy that you need to waste even more?
Where did you get your 4k 120hz screen by the way ? And how does it even hook up, HDMI 2.3 or whatever?
Zachary Brown
Just go to EVGA's website and stick all the 1080ti's on auto-notify and you'll get one for MSRP. I'd also get a Noctua NH-D15 instead of the AIO. Also you can get a Seasonic PSU (Focus Plus Gold) for cheaper.
David Stewart
I been out of the game for a while. Is 2 of those just dumb as hell? I have 2 144htz 1440p monitors.
Matthew Cox
SLI is not really a thing anymore.
Daniel Gomez
I gotcha. Why is that? Because it's no longer necessary?
So how's the build otherwise
Colton Anderson
Maybe consider the Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower or the Enthoo Pro M TG RGB ATX Full Tower as they'll have more airflow and they already come with a magnetic filter
Cameron Diaz
You have already forgotten the SLI/Crossfire meme ?
David Lee
Precisely; it's a meme
Dominic Ross
For an idea of what our stores here are like, look at this. Untick the "Include out of stock" button for a better reference: uae.microless.com/power_supplies
All stores here have an almost identical inventory. The SeaSonic FOCUS isn't an option sadly (I can try to make a special order, but no guarantee that it can be shipped). I'm just worried with an irrational fear that a Corsair will fail on me compared to an EVGA or SeaSonic, maybe because of the reputation of their wide variety of non-PSU budget parts.
Aaron Turner
Is there any sure fire way to test for a dead/malfunctioning motherboard? I'm trying to determine if either my CPU or Mobo is dead.
Jayden Lewis
swap the cpu to another mobo or get pic related
Grayson Cox
You need quite a lot of power if you want to get a 1440p monitor to 144hz average, a pair of cards might be required.
SLI isn't dead by any means it's only really necessary for extremely high end builds.
GPU prices are through the roof due to buttcoin miners.
Anthony Reed
Any hardware pros that can answer this?
I got the motherboard in the next link for free (it had a broken cap and i replaced it)
Am I missing something? Apparently there's a revision of that model, maybe it does work with that one? is there a hardware difference between rev 1.0 and 1.1?
Daniel Roberts
Reposting this.
I'm trying to figure out the optimal way to set this up. I'm using a B350 Tomahawk, and my M.2 connector is directly underneath my PCIe slot I was originally gonna out my GPU (1050Ti) in, which is a fair distance away from my PSU sitting at the bottom of the case. However, the SSD might run pretty hot if it's right under my GPU. So instead I was thinking of moving that down to the PCIe slot further down the motherboard, butthem it'll be right up against the PSU.
Which option is best here? I'm leaning towards the latter but is it a problem if a graphics card's fans are blowing directly on a PSU?
Elijah Bailey
So right now I could get a new 1080ti for 1.2k or I can get 2 1070tis for 1.5. Do you think that could hit me near the mark in sli?
Dylan Fisher
>IM NOT INDIAN U R REEEEEE
David Wright
Because they are fucking awful
William Johnson
stop being poor
everything with that build is wrong enjoy
Levi Roberts
lol no. You're just too poor to buy them
Ayden Williams
>swap the cpu to another mobo I was afraid someone would bring this up. That's such a pain in the ass, because then I'd have to remove the heatsink + old cpu, remove my current heatsink + mobo, clean the thermal paste, put current cpu in old, re-apply thermal paste, check if it works, then remove current cpu + heatsink, clean thermal paste..clean thermal paste from old cpu, put old cpu back + re-apply thermal paste. Like jesus fucking christ fuck that.
I'll try buying that post codes display LED + PSU tester just incase
Josiah Lopez
You will notice very little difference in terms of temps, in either slot to be honest
Ambient temps don't have a massive impact on heat transfer unless those ambient are extremely large. Thermal transfer is faster between regions that have a greater temperature delta but even so the delta between a component running at like 70 degrees and ambient temps is already quite large. And even hot components like a GPU under full load wont raise ambient temps substantially unless you've no case cooling, the case rapidly tends towards your rooms ambient temp. In other words it's not really going to matter.
Most GPU fans should be blowing onto the heatsink directly, so having it near PSU intake isn't a massive problem anyway. You could benchmark and make note of temps and then move the components about but it'd bet the temps aren't more than a few degrees different.
Juan Parker
Is Intel's Optane drive basically the same as using a ramdisk, or is it slower?
Right now I'm using about 2GB of my DDR4 ram as a ramdisk/cache, but I was thinking it may be better to use an optane card. Reasons being I can then use 16~32GB as a ramdisk
James Jackson
What would be a good MoBo/CPU couple to upgrade from pic related ? I am apparently bottlenecked by the i5-4590 on the 970 (should have bought a 4690), and MSI will probably never release Meltdown patches for my current MoBo. I was thinking of the Ryzen 5 1600, but wouldn't I actually lose performance in games ? I'm ok with waiting for Ryzen+.
Wyatt Garcia
Got myself a gtx 1080 for 650 usd at a local store that's too ass backwards to know that they should cost 1000 usd.
Now my cpu is a bottleneck (fx-8350). I'm leaning towards getting an i5 8600k.
Any recommendations?
Christian Garcia
It looks like they trade blows but where the 1070ti SLI loses looks an awful lot like performance is not much better over a single 1070ti, which means it's an issue of scaling, which is just one of those things with SLI, some games/engines scale well, others do not.
Neither reliably get you to 144hz across those fairly performance inensive games. I don't advocate necessarily using only top end games as benchmarks as they're not very representative of the average gamers library of games. But it does depend how purist you want to be about 144hz
FPS is a non linear measurement of performance, getting to 144hz has always been tough, you'd need to consider 1080ti SLI if you wanted to be really autistic about doing it every game. If you want to go that route then I'd personally wait it out for the next Nvidia chips which should have a healthy performance boost over the current gen. They're rumoured to drop soon and if Nvidia can work out a deal with suppliers to limit miners buying them, the prices might not get too badly gouged.
Dylan Bennett
I have to admit I don't fully understand intels Optane tech, but what I've seen you can buy M.2 form factor 16/32gb cards that act as cache. The thing is though that a single Samsung 960 Pro can max out your reads over PCI-e 4x anyway since that's the bottleneck to faster transfer rates, and a pair in RAID 0 will also max out writes, which is what I've done in my new rig. Nice 1Gb SSD as my primary of a a pair of 512's in RAID 0.
And actually with the PCI-e x16 add in cards and like 4 of these SSDs you can get read speeds up to like 128Gb/sec limit of PCI-e x16
Julian Johnson
the 970 is the bottleneck most likely modern (((games))) need over 8 gorillionbytes of VRAM
Cameron Myers
Yeah I was reading about it, and the more I read, the less put off I felt about buying it.
However I can't find a M.2 form factor 16/32 GB SSD, unless you just mean a PCI-e SSD.
>Nice 1Gb SSD as my primary Which are you using?
Andrew Scott
I put a second 8GB RAM stick into my computer. Windows detects it, but lists it as hardware reserved. What do?
Do I even need a 8600k or can i just stick with a 8600. Im not gonna be doing anything that needs hardcore compute but I dont know if overclocking will keep it relevant for longer or if that even matters.
Owen Russell
just bought an i3 today, so excited.
Ethan Reed
stop buying poo pajeet
Aiden Morales
>intel JUST lol
Joshua Sanchez
I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to Ryzen. Is this an okay mobo/RAM combo? Yes, I want the on-board WiFi and this seemed like the least chinkshit.
>Which are you using? I have 2x Samsung 960 Pro's 512Mb in RAID 0 for my primary system drive, that maxes out both the read and write speeds across PCI-e 4x, which means optane drives would in theory offer no better performance. Unless I'm missing something.
now lets see how does a Ryzen 1600x works at 5.15 Ghz
Levi Flores
Because its a synthetic benchmark and completely irrelevant
Isaac Perry
Doesn't need to because it isnt a housefire
Sebastian Nguyen
depends on software some benefit from more cores and some no
Ryder Bennett
DELID THIS
Gabriel Long
where can I get legit benchmarks?
Usually amd was the one with single threaded cores, but in this case it's the opposite, where amd has twice the threads. Yet the benchmarks are kinda weird so I need more information.
Jonathan Long
Thanks you. Yeah that sounds smart, waiting for the next chip. I wonder when they'll get those out
Leo Johnson
>so I need more information. go to linus tech tips hardware canucks gamers nexus jayz2cents paul's hardweare and others who benchamrked it user
>Jul. 1st The variation was because that's a quarterly chart and Q3 had just started so not much data had been collected yet.
Cameron Williams
You know those laptops aren't really mobile right? They're heavy as fuck
John Campbell
but I'm checking benchmarks to buy the best option, I dont wanna buy both aaaa
Jonathan Howard
Only way you will truly know AMD and intel CPU performance is more or less the same except for Intel's stuttering issue
Ethan Miller
It's 2nd quarter result retard
Easton Sullivan
what stuttering issue? I already have one with my amd fx8530
Nathaniel Green
Retard.
Ethan Davis
Then don't buy Intel if you want it to go away
Jayden Gray
I'm watching many reviews and no one seems to complain about stuttering, on the i5 8600k atleast. Nor the ryzen 1600x
Gabriel Torres
actually looks like my shitty motherboard's VRM is to blame for the stuttering
I'll have to not cheap out on a motherboard this time.
Joseph Morales
(You) I also already have a Be Quiet! Pure Rock Ventirad. How shitty are the AM4 mounts ? My local Pcpartpicker refuses to consider the Pure Rock compatible with AM4 boards. Should I give up and use the AMD ventirad or go Intel again ?
Never seen a modern game recommending more than 4 GB of VRAM.
> Thanks. I'll won't buy MSI again tho. Good products, but no long-term software support except in high-end.
>amd shills damage controlling this hard 8600k is a faster cpu, that's all there is to it. ryzen's single threaded performance is still few generations behind coffee lake, so 8600k naturally performs better.
Mason Taylor
What would you guys say s essential software excluding windows and steam
Aiden Brown
A web browser.
Leo Green
I've been monitor hunting for a while now, but I haven't been thinking about the future. I have a new build with a GTX 1080 Ti, and I was heavily considering 1440p 144Hz. But I also want to eventually have a triple monitor setup. I never considered the maximum capabilities of the card, I just knew it supports four displays. So my questions are: For multiple monitor setups, isn't it better to have all three at the same resolution and refresh rate? Is 3x 1440p 144Hz feasible for a 1080 Ti? Should be focusing on 1080p 144Hz instead if I'm using three displays? I don't really want to mix 1080p and 1440p, maybe I should aim for 2 1080p displays, and 1 4K for the middle, to avoid resolution issues.
Reminder that I don't know what I'm doing, any help would be greatly appreciated.
