AMD BTFO?

>When asked about Nvidia GPP monopoly policy, MSI responds and calls AMD GPUs "subpar" and "not something customers would buy"
why is this allowed?

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>MSI
Normal people do not buy MSI

almost all normal people buy MSI

>MSI calling something subpar
I mean, they have a lot of experience with begin subpar so...

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>why is this allowed?
The GPP? It probably isn't, I'm no lawyer but it reeks of anti-trust to me.
MSI insulting AMD? Why wouldn't it be? I don't see any objectively incorrect statements there, just MSI voicing their opinions.

Please provide a link to your excised quotes.

That said, AMD's GPUs today are subpar for the usage GPUs are traditionally intended for. The Pascal line is superb and a great credit to nVidia's engineers.

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No, no... what I meant by "normal" is autistic tech savyy people who don't care about gayming brands

but still, at MSRP MSI Twin Frozer cards were cheaper AND had better cooling than most other brands

yeah, and then you see threads and posts everywhere how an MSI board blew a VRM, or their GPUs not working

there is a kernel of truth in that AMD hasn't been competitive in the high-end of GPUs for a few years now, but MSI should be the last company to call something subpar, especially since they put the most garbage components into their "premium" stuff

since you shit on MSI so much, tell me what you think which brand makes the best GPU/Motherboards?

>AMD's GPUs today are subpar for the usage GPUs are traditionally intended for
oh please, stop with the shilling
AMD is strong in the middle segment (1080p to 1440p @60Hz), which still has the most volume, with RX 480 and RX 580 being very successful

>The Pascal line is superb and a great credit to nVidia's engineers
Pascal *was* superb, but that was 2 years ago. Where the fuck is my consumer Volta?

I don't think there's a single good mobo manufacturer, but I had a decent run with ANUS.
GPUs? XFX or Sapphire.

not the guy but I had plenty of MSI motherboards fail me, since I switched over to ASUS its smoth sailing.

I take this to mean that MSI believes AMD's perceived position in the market is the value or cheap option. MSI is choosing not to associate with that market perception as it isn't in line with their own marketing strategy. As an established OEM with a long-standing reputation for performance (rather than value), this is straightfoward and logical, at least to me. The next line indicates as much where he states that if AMD's performance improves (and hence perception), MSI would gladly partner with them.

>MSI is choosing not to associate with that market perception as it isn't in line with their own marketing strategy.
Are we just going to pretend they aren't also being paid to do it?

Are you wanting to make a moral judgement of their strategic positioning? I fail to see the value in it.

It's not a moral judgment, it's a "what NVIDIA is doing is anti-competitive" judgment.

Fock off with your propaganda. I use amd and I will die with amd. I even put amd in my wok to inherit my money when I die. They are the ones that contribute to society with open source projects and Nvidia takes from it and makes it propitiery. All Nvidia has done was stolen and modified. Amd made the world a better place while nvidia just stuffed their face.

source please

Is it more anti-competitive than AMD's failure to provide a product that competes on performance?

I understand your position but I cannot be outraged if AMD simply cannot offer an equal or better product at this time. If this were the old Athlon days with intel sabotaging a superior product, then yes, I would join you in condemning them. This is something different; this is separating OEMs who want to be viewed as the upscale option from those who don't have that luxury. Like it or not, the electronics-as-a-fashion-choice is here to stay and this is just a skirmish in that war for public perception.

>name and tripfagging homo is also a shill

mo manufacturers are so afraid of nvidia these days lmao

AMD BTFO AND ON SUICIDE WATCH

Ive had both xfx and sapphire cards and they both had pretty bad coil whine. The xfx card is very well built though (ghost 7970). Sapphire was a pos that black screened me

Monopoly soon, goyim.

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sounds like your experience is outdated. a lot changed over the years

But MSI sells and is thus forced to provide support for AMD GPUs, why would you sell a subpar product that is something customers wouldn't buy and make you liable for its problems and shortcomings?

Possible answers:
-Down syndrome people in charge
-Non-whites in charge

Which is it?

The sapphire was a 580 8gb that i wanted to render on (now using a 1060 6gb instead). Xfx has probably gone to shit though

Msi, like asus, zotac, gigabyte, xfx, sapphire and every brand except evga is chinese so theres your answer

They arent lying

If AMD wernt selling cards to miners they would be struggling. Nvidia is the better buy in most segments.

AMDs niche over the years has been they are just that bit cheaper than the nvidia counterpart. They havent had that since like the 200/300 series of cards.

>with RX 480 and RX 580 being very successful
thanks to miners.

how many are in the hands of normies? Why would anyone pay more for one of these when the 1060 can usually be found cheaper

HURR NON WHITES


t. Amerimutt

Also amd were only cheaper in murika. In the rest of the world they were usualy more expensive than nvidia's counterparts.

Authentic Spaniard stock of Visigothic and Celtic ancestry, you cuck.

with shitty VRMs

aka: a non white lazy useless nigger of europe

>spanjard
>celtic
oh so a mutt?

Largely irrelevant.

Why are they ignoring the fact the 570, 580 and Vega 56 are all better than their competition in similar price brackets from Nvidia? Vega 64 matches the 1080 , 560 matches the 1050, and 550 is a slightly worse value than the 1030 but not bad still. Not sure where the "subpar" is coming from. Nvidia only outrights dominates in one price bracket, with the $700 1080Ti.

Epic rebuttal dear rebbitor. What third world shithole are you from that you weren't taught the original spanish population was largely celtic? Do you even know what a mutt is or did you learn that as a memeword from Sup Forums?

Post your race and country so I can meme you up.

>the original spanish population was largely celtic?
WE WUZ

also no such thing because they got raped by arabs for decades

not that user but today ASUS boards are generally the best motherboards and Sapphire and ASUS makes decent GPUs. But this could easily change. Gigabyte used to make really good motherboards back when they were marketing boards as "Ultra Durable" (and they were). Gigabyte's AORUS boards are trash.

>xfx GPUs are good
The absolute state of amdfags. Xfx custom cards are still routinely worse than reference while others at least provide options for higher quality boards.

>religious apartheid and religious massacres = le epic porn video-like race mixing
Something's wrong here.
>doesn't know about limpieza de sangre
>doesn't know about torquemada
>doesn't know the anecdotical mutts and rape babies were expelled to either arab lands along with the invaders or portugal later on (which is the reason they look like that)
>"we wuz" meme kneejerk reaction
Try again.
Also, arab invaders and their aristocracy were mostly converted vandals and germanic tribes (later on we got a few actual arabs used as slaves) that settled on northern africa that attacked spain because le holy war meme much like crusaders. Feel free to spout wewuz at this historical fact.

>insert AMD/nVidia converse market share graph here
From MSI's point of view, the only objective facts are what sells for the most profit. For whatever reason, the more profitable segment of the market prefers nVidia during this era.

top kek nigger, Spanjards are no fucking celtics, and even then, celtics were a bunch of barbarian spergs

spain is arab rape baby

>i cant hear u *putz hands on ears* xD
Right.

WE WUZ WHITE CABRON!

AMD GPUs have historically offered a lot more bang for the buck than NVidia GPUs here in Europe. This has absolutely not been the case the last year, though.

We're ignoring your supposed facts because they are not facts and they have nothing to do with reality, not here in northern Europe anyway. There's been zero RX 570 and 580 and Vega cards on the market until last week when suddenly every single local store got new inventory. This new batch of cards is priced like this: RX 580's comparable to GTX 1070, Vega 64 comparable to 1080TI. AMD cards are basically a price bracket above where they should be, the RX 580 8 GB should be in the same price-bracket as the 1060 6GB.

It's kind of interesting that AMD is taking overall market share from NVidia regardless and they gained a whole lot of ground last quarter.

>wanting a consumer version of a platform literally developed solely for the purpose of machine learning and AI when their flagship Pascal card is still literally the best performing consumer graphics card on the market

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>From MSI's point of view, the only objective facts are what sells for the most profit.
This has absolutely zero to do with being subpar though, which was the claim you initially were defending. Pick an argument.

My dad has blue eyes, my mother is pale as a white wall. You don't post your race and country because you are probably worse off.
Kys cuck.

MUH SKIN
MUH EYES
race is not skin deep you mutt tard

You misunderstand me; I think MSI is accurate in real and political terms. I think a rational person would choose an nVidia GPU over the equivalent AMD if the price difference were no object. I was merely pointing out that MSI's position makes sense regardless of yours or my personal opinion because the sum of the market's opinions is that AMD is subpar for the money.

>accuses me of belonging to a race that has dark skin and brown eyes on average
>gets told
>THAT DUN MATTER U TARD
>so ashamed of himself and his country he won't post it even when told to do so several times

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AMD's mobile GPU offerings have been sub par at the high-end range for a while. They may have their driver issues fixed these days, but they're still quite lacking in performance.

I bought an MSI GX60 a few years back; which came with a 7970M. On its own, it would've been a fine card, but it was crippled by AMD's "trinity" or whatever, because of the shitty AMD CPU it included. It was a massive disappointment and I sold the laptop soon after.

Things were fine when I had a Clevo M860TU with a 3870 installed (driver issues aside), but those days seem to be far behind present-day AMD.

Even today, AMD's top-of-the-line mobile GPUs are leagues below NVIDIA in terms of performance. They'll have to really step things up for me to get another laptop with an AMD GPU.

I don't agree at all with that statement and I'd ask for a source for it, considering how well AMD has faired in the GPU market despite its size. And none of what you just stated contradicts my point: being subpar has absolutely zero to do with being easily sellable.

>AMD's mobile GPU offerings
what .. offerings? I know they've had some in the past but I haven't seen a laptop that hasn't had a Intel CPU and NVidia GPU or just Intel CPU and no GPU in years. Not sure what carrot Intel and NVidia have been offering the OEMs but there's clearly something going on there.

>Even today, AMD's top-of-the-line mobile GPUs are leagues below NVIDIA in terms of performance.
Now compare price-per-performance.

I did address your point above, locally the RX 580 8GB, which hasn't been in stock at all for months, is re-stocked and selling in the same price-bracket as the GTX 1070. The Vega64 is in the same bracket as the 1080ti. The RX 560 4 GB is priced like my RX 470 8 GB when I bought it. No way I'm buying a AMD GPU any time soon and I think this applies to most regular people who buy from retailers. AMD took a large chunk of marketshare from NVidia the last quarter and their GPUs are selling like crazy but their GPUs make zero sense for your average consumer.

>price-per-performance
If you want top performance, you get nvidia. Everything else is an excuse.

>RX 580 8GB, which hasn't been in stock at all for months
>AMD took a large chunk of marketshare from NVidia the last quarter and their GPUs are selling like crazy but their GPUs make zero sense for your average consumer.
So they sold a GPU to the point of breaking stock and took a large chunk of NVIDIA's marketshare, yet somehow they don't make sense to the average consumer? Am I supposed to take you seriously after this point?

This still has exactly ZERO to do with my point, which you keep dancing around: being subpar has nothing to do with being sellable. Nothing. They're different metrics.

But that has nothing to do with what I said.

>But that has nothing to do with what I said.
The point is that nvidia is the performance king. There's market and people who don't give a shit about the price for said performance. Like DTR workstations.

I'm not disagreeing, but that still has nothing to do with what I said. You're having a separate discussion of which I'm not a part.

>t. I blame rape victims for getting raped

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AMD has still been around, they're just not as desirable. Currently, they offer the RX 580 as their mobile flagship; which is slightly below the GTX 1060 in performance.

This can be found in the ASUS GL702ZC alongside a Ryzen CPU, as well as in the HP Omen with an Intel CPU.

Their high-end GPUs don't even win price-to-performance these days. The laptops that come with the RX 580 are priced about even with the ones that come with the marginally better GTX 1060, around $1000. Furthermore, for a few hundred extra, you can get a laptop with a GTX 1070; which demolishes the RX 580 in performance.

>Their high-end GPUs don't even win price-to-performance these days. The laptops that come with the RX 580 are priced about even with the ones that come with the marginally better GTX 1060, around $1000. Furthermore, for a few hundred extra, you can get a laptop with a GTX 1070; which demolishes the RX 580 in performance.
Wow if you pay more you get better performance. Who knew!
Still waiting for ANYTHING that addresses a point I actually made instead of strawman #362

They're not wrong.

Ive had 2 msi mobos now and they have beeb exeptional. Anus mobo blew up in a year, nevet again

You conveniently glossed over this, user:
>The laptops that come with the RX 580 are priced about even with the ones that come with the marginally better GTX 1060, around $1000.

This time, I've attached an image as an example.

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And this has what to do with my point? About the same price gives you about the same performance. Again, who knew!
Also comparing a 17.3" laptop with a 15.6" and expecting the same price is ridiculous. I mean, you're attributing the price change to one variable while "conveniently glossing over" another.

Guess whom I'm not buying any motherboards or graphics card from any time soon

MSI is known to make garbage, you shouldnt have been buying from them in the first place

Giga and anus are shit too. Only evga makes decent gpus and all mobos are ass

Because it's an actual fact?

Fuck off AMDrone

AMD NEVER AGAIN.

>And this has what to do with my point?

You replied to me, writing, "Now compare price-per-performance."

That's what I've done.

If you don't prefer 15.6" laptops, you can also get a 17.3" laptop with a GTX 1060 for $1099:
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Here's another 17.3" laptop with a GTX 1060,for $1069:
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The latter seems to be a better deal overall, with 4GB more of RAM than the RX 580 laptop. However, the Newegg laptop comes with a PCIe SSD to make up for only coming with 8GB of RAM.

In either case, AMD is not winning in terms of price-to-performance.

Gigabyte mobos used to be good. I bought an Aorus X370 Gaming K5 for Ryzen though and it's one of the worst motherboards I've ever used. Should have waited longer but it was the best option in stock at launch.

They speak the truth

Vega is junk though I agree everyone bailed on it even 3rd parties hardly any aftermarket cards.

I'm not gonna give amd GPUs another shot till they make a MCM card that isn't a housefire

the most popular amd card in recent history is the r9 390 and the most successful AIB card was the msi gaming 8g. it was always the only 390 which would be in the top sellers list on places like amazon. i knew a couple of people with 390s and they all happened to have the same model as well.

white people don't buy amd. amd is for the poor mexicans and arabs.

Mayne after they put llc settings and get rid of their awful vrms on overclocking chipsets they can talk about subpar

da fuk is gpp

nvidia is botnet. nvidia is hostile to the FOSS community. amd cooperates with the FOSS community
nvidia, fhuck you!

And their cards have been significantly slower hotter and use more power

amd
asrock

At the top end that hardly anyone buys, sure. 580 is more than competitive with the 1060, and that's where the vast majority of sales are.

amds niche is that they arent botnet garbage like nvidia

because they have a driver stack that is significantly more free and open than nvidia. amd actually works *with* the FOSS community, not against it

a rational person would not go with a 100% botnet product like nvidia

Cause it's true

nvidia is top botnet. amd works *with* the linux community, unlike nvidia

amd respects your freedom; nvidia does not

Funny because MSI is considered subpar

>MSI responds and calls AMD GPUs "subpar" and "not something customers would buy"


This is not really wrong though.

in what? their motherboards and custom gpu designs are always up there with the best of the offerings every generation. iirc they currently have the best gtx 10xx series cooler in terms of performance and sound. they also had one of the best gtx 9xx series coolers and had the best r9 390 and 390x coolers.

It's such bullshit amd and NVIDIA are stagnating the midrange-highend cards and keep putting the fucking price up.

Gonna be 2006-2013 all over again

AMD's last gpu release was almost an year ago. The question I ask is why did MSI wait for Nvidia's strongarm to release this statement, if they could have seen the subpar products already since last year and just stop producing AMD cards.

>too young to remember ATI

opposite for me. all my pcs are running asua mobos.