Any front end web devs here? i heard that you need very little programming skills to get such job, how true is that...

any front end web devs here? i heard that you need very little programming skills to get such job, how true is that? is it a chill job? i dont know whether to go for this or sysadmin

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Not really. You need to know a lot of stuff to score a good job as a front end developer. Front end devs don't just work with JavaScript; they work with dozens of different JS frameworks that are demanded of them, as well as following many different standards. The front end scene is a mess and I respect the people who take on it. As an iOS developer, I can't imagine doing what they do without pulling my hair in agony.

Full stack > front end

You need to figure out what you like to do, and get good at it. You're talking about two completely different types of work experience like they're an easy pick of the lot.

The real question is are you interested in web design (front end dev) or back end non-visual server babysitting?

sysadmin is cancer dont do it

this, as a linux/bsd systems/network/IT administrator
I can talk a little bit about both sides, but they both suck, see

Front end web dev here. Pretty much only need to know JS, HTML, CSS and how to use Google.
The job is more about knowing how to achieve certain things in a way that gets understood by all popular browsers/clients, as they all render stuff a little different, aka problem solving.
That being said, e-mail Templates are the worst. Outlook needs to get its shit together.

Front end is one of those easy to get into hard to master type things.

I'm sure you could learn to make websites better than 99% of the ones out there in a year but there's a weird point where you then have to move up to React/Angular/Vue and everything becomes hard again, all for the sake of optimisation and performance.

posting about employment on Sup Forums is like posting about girlfriends on /r9k/, pointless. basically a dick move, but there will be the humblebrag faggot that will say "just be yourself"

That's true for everything

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Bitch lasagne

It was easier 5-10 years ago when it was just HTML, CSS, and jQuery. It's much different now, most of the time, and alot more complex.

Also, if you don't have any artistic or design skills, you're not going to do well in front end, as literally 50% of the point of front end development is making things look good and have a pretty and useable UI. You can't always rely on designers to make all of the prototypes and design comps for the many devices, screensizes, and resolutions there are nowadays.

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This is so not working for me.

I'm pretty sure the majority of people on this board are either employed or in school.

that becos u stewpid basterd

Eh

Good frontend programming doesn't just require you to have alright programming skills. It can involve many different rapidly changing languages and frameworks. You have to make GOOD abstractions that scale great. You have to know about many different technologies and countless pitfalls. Your testing strategy has to be nuanced. There are all kinds of standards you have to document.
I have seen frontend development fail more than any other discipline.

>any front end web devs here?
I may have interviewed a couple.

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that looks like a conversation with a pajeet developer

99.9% of developers are like this.

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X+=13 ?

>Count DOWN

This is my interview problem. I know it but I fuck up anyways
Born fuckup I guess

I have had candidates who did not know the difference between "odd" and "even". I took the time to explain which is which, and did not hold it against them, as it might have been a language problem.

A decent interviewer would be happy to let you try again. Do you want to rely on the interviewer being nice? Or do you want to practice being patient and being careful?

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It's not practice. For me it's a mix of anxiety and misreading.

When I am in an examination situation due to reading time and stuff I have some chance of not fucking up completely but in a verbal situation. It's a hit n miss
I just need to get that skill to slow down the back and forth enough to actually parse what is being asked and say the answer

Do mock interviews until you are used to it. The question above was written, not verbal.

Every front-end dev starts as full stack and gets bored by making API’s and having to work with shit show databases.

There is literally no job in programming that demands such a diverse skill set as a front end dev.

What happened here was I thought it was easy and didn't pay enough attention.

Try this one. Read carefully and take your time.

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can you tell me more whats it like to be sysadm?

Come on, how did these people even get past a phone screening if they can't do the most basic loop tasks?

Why do you even waste your time with this shit when you can weed all of them out with a simple check looking at their github and being able to instantly see it's good or bad.

This WAS the phone screening.

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lol is that a joke? pls let it be a piece of code someone has to debug and not something someone produced to a question

Programming newbie, I wanna try

//
For loop in range 0-100
If n mod 2 =/= 0
Print n

//
Uh... is 0 odd or even?

All of these are actual answers from candidates in an interview for a webdev position, where I had specified (multiple times) that I am looking for a webdev a.k.a PROGRAMMER, not designer.

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None of those people you interviewed were web developers you fucking retard.

[Code]
var oddnumbers =[]
for(int i = 0;i =< 100;i++)
{
If (i%2!==0)
{
oddnumbers.push(i)
}
}
[/Code]
Dunno if js has yield return
can't remember the greater than symbol
Didn't debug it at all

No wait you skip 0 so it should be I = 1

I can tell you that the rounded everything and one page website that squeezes everything for a phone is pure cancer. I hate this mobile design that’s even forced on desktops.

wow, pareto distribution seems overly optimistic

Hey Falcon I love your website logical increments. Used it even back in the day when it was just The Falcon guide.
What are you hiring for? I'm a student but I know more than the guys in these screenshots

for (i = 1; i < 100; i+=2) {
console.log(i);
}

Looking at this with no idea what's going on in those screenshots I'm wondering what I should do with my life. I heard webdev is easy to get into to get some tech job experience before moving into something else. I was thinking of going for networking but so far I don't know shit. I did setup a home server but I don't really have any knowledge beyond that, nor do I have a tech degree. Should I really learn basic programming to start with webdev? I have no idea how to answer those questions posted but I don't know any programming language yet either.

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I'd work for free just for some experience if I can do it from home

>i =< 100
Is this valid syntax in js? Otherwise, you seem to have a sound head on your shoulders. Keep practicing, and practice with others, not by yourself. You will certainly be above the vast majority of applicants, regardless of what experience they have. Pic related.

>What are you hiring for?
Web dev. Simple web dev.

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not everyone has the mental capacity to work as a software developer. don't feel bad. you can always become a skilled craftsman or a manual laborer.

>tfw i chose to get a degree in something i found interesting but was in no way lucrative
I have no future, but at least i didn't have to deal with too many retards only there for money prospects.

>99.9% of developers are like this.
99.9% of people are like this and always have been.
It's the latter part of this thought and seeing where we've still been able to get that allows me to stay hopeful for the future.

Whew

Was this guy a boomer?

I just want a decently paid job without much a overtime, ideally none. I have no fucking idea what to do. I'm tired of being a wagecuck.

"I do not want to answer more than this"
Is this a valid interview response?
>Yeah, naw, I've answered enough of your question

You should do regular threads with mock interview questions for Sup Forums to brush up

I like these ones.
I hope you hired this guy.

Not sure, as these terms are not familiar to me "boomer, gen x, millenial" etc. That candidate was between 40-45 years of age, IIRC.

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God damn.
These are phone interviews? Maybe they are under pressure?? Honestly no excuse for these stupid ass answers, at least ask for more time and make something that works

Honestly, the more I read about people being incompetent or not knowing what they are doing, the better I feel.
Makes me feel like less of a moron, and that all those programmers running around aren't wizards like I thought they might be.

>html
the absolute mad man

The people in those interviews aren't programmers.

I post this all the time. I have done 3 mock interviews for Sup Forumsentlemen, so far. 2 of them were very good, people I would be happy to hire.

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>pic related
thanks

>why is the answer a double?
>because it needs to store the value taken from two variables

fucking kek

>mfw 13 doesn't go into 500 and the problem was never even solvable to begin with
falcon confirmed for master troll

>mfw I know like 3 questions on there

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i don't believe that 99% are like this wtf. Is this an american thing?
that thing won't even work

Eh, close enough

1- Phone interviews.
2- I always insist that the candidate chooses the time for the interview, so they can pick the time they feel is best for them
3- I always ask friendly questions first:
>What is your favourite programming language?
>Oh, you love [x], that is great! I want to ask a few simple questions in [x]. Is that ok?
>*after asking the question* So take your time to write your answer down, and let me know when you are ready to answer.
What more can I do?

100% Asian. No Americans applying for jobs in Malaysia.

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zero is even

>How can I wrote code without using a computer?

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for (var i=700; i > 200; i-=13) {
console.log(i)
}

I don't get how people are confused by this? What's going on in this thread

it's more of a human thing. if you're not in the 98th percentile for IQ you are too dumb to write a loop and increment by two

>I don't get how people are confused by this?
Welcome to my world.

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No it's not. Anyone can fake a resume and get an interview. Those are the people the retarded tripfag interacted with, because the real developers already had jobs. Comparing yourself to those idiots will do no good.

>very little programming skills

Front end webdev is an umbrella term. I've seen "web dev" jobs in my area range from 40K - 100K starting. I know self-professed web developers who build sites exclusively through wordpress plugins and don't know a lick of php or javascript.

How do people get by in life not knowing what odd numbers are?

>100% Asian. No Americans applying for jobs in Malaysia.

So problem locally or would it be much different in America?

Thanks, hopefully that'll never count against me.

>you don't need math in life outside of the 1st grade classroom
I guess the memes were right

...for real?
for i = 1, i < 100, i += 2
print i

Probably the same everywhere. FizzBuzz originally was written by an American experiencing the exact same thing.

Pic was a face-to-face candidate's response to "count down from 700 to 200 in decrements of 13."

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>it will take a long time to type

Hey Falcon, at what point do you just give up and accept the fact that everyone in your country who could actually code has already left, and only the retards are left?

hello sir pls do the needful and review code
void main()
{
import std.random;
import std.stdio: writeln;
import std.algorithm;
auto rnd = Random(13);

int[100] numbers;

numbers[0] = uniform(1, 101, rnd);

int i = 1;
while(i < 100)
{
int num = uniform(1, 101, rnd);

if(!canFind(numbers[], num))
{
numbers[i] = num;
i++;
}
}

sort(numbers[]);

foreach(el; numbers)
if(el % 2 == 1)
writeln(el);
}

>19 years
I feel like this is missing context, what exactly was his work background?

This tripfag seems to post in literally every thread about hiring. It seems he will never get the memo.

Like 80% of these questions will never come up in web development though, a huge amount are maths related, most webdevs purposefully avoid maths by picking webdev.

Kind of pointless to even ask most of them to a web developer as the only time they would learn it is to solve a problem, not as a key part of being a webdev. Like incredibly niche weird cases that should never even arise in the first place, like if you ask a user to input a number in an incorrect format and then convert that to a readable one or something, it's a web developer's job to stop that from ever happening in the first place.

I, myself, have a problem. I am looking in the wrong places, or at the wrong time, or advertising the job in a wrong way.

It cannot be that an entire country is completely devoid of good programmers. I refuse to accept that.

19 years, all as a professional developer. Worked in some very prestigious places, like government-linked large companies and banks.

That is D, according to Google, no? You fill an array with 1-100 in random order, sort it, have a good laugh, then find all the odd numbers.

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front dude's hat is white!
and it took this bozo ``mathematician'' 4 hours to figure out?...

Avoiding math altogether? Then software/programming/etc as a whole isn't really the best idea.
Checking odds/evens isn't intense math.

>all as a professional developer
What kind of dev?Just webdev in general? Did they mention the nature of the projects they were involved in? I'm interested to know, if you can be a bit more specific, not looking for personal info though.

>That is D, according to Google, no?
yes, was gonna try using it for the first time today and saw this thread come up so why not have some fun.

>80% of these questions will never come up in web development
But 100% of these questions require basic understanding of loops, arrays, logic, etc. If you cannot answer these easy EASY questions, then what skills do you have to tackle real-world problems?

Answer=700
While Answer>200
Print Answer
Answer=Answer-13

Would While Loops work well for this?

>What kind of dev?
Mostly backend, using php, IIRC.

it hardly matters

for(int i = 700; i > 200; i-=13)
writeln(i);

Also, I really dislike the "do something from x to y" questions when it's not clear if the bounds are to be included or not.
The math form would be [x,y] for inclusive, ]x,y[ (or how we were taught ) for exclusive, but I don't suppose anyone should expect these people to know that judging by these answers they give

// 3
int x = 0;
int y = 1000;
int sum = 0;
for(int i = x; i < y + 1; i++)
sum += i;
writeln(sum);

My point is that you came to a front end developer thread but are wanting people to answer questions aimed at software engineers it makes no sense.

Your site needs a front end developer to overhaul the look of things, not make a fucking tic tac toe game to play in the background with working AI that has machine learning capabilities or something.

There's a reason why your site is unresponsive and has no consistent styling, because you don't have a front end developer, you've hired some software developer to do the job, their focus is completely different.

You could hire 1000 software engineers and your site would still look the same, because you're aiming your questions at the wrong field. You should ask questions about loops and arrays etc but this question list is fucking stupid.

Tfw know all technical questions but have trouble with most questions

>[700,687..200]

"web dev" is an oxymoron

Even front end developers should be able to have no issues at all with basic features like for loops, arrays and those things. I don't think that pic is meant to be for front end developers, you can easily tell by the fact there are a lot of technical questions about C for example. Understanding how C and low level things work are really fucking useful though. Currently making a somewhat complex C++ project and I can't believe all the things I'm learning so quickly.
Also I guarantee you provided a bit of time any software engineer can do anything a front end web dev can do. Web development, and specially front end stuff is something a 10 years old can do with little to no programming experience.

>No LESS / SASS
>No unit tests

Frontend is more than just making pretty pages. You are cancer and should die.

Sure, and any 10 year old can copy paste finished code from stackoverflow for any subject.

This is how a Pajeet is formed, copy paste and never learn anything, hired for the wrong purpose and never does the job properly.

Just like how a handyman can do a plumber's job, but if they need to do something specialised, then what? You pay for a handyman to make a half decent job of it and then again for a plumber to fix it properly.