/tpg/ - ThinkPad General - Keion Edition

Andrew Powell
Andrew Powell

Previous thread: supforums.com/thread/65266360/technology

If you're looking for purchase advice, state your budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™

Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

Libreboot-compatible models:
T60, X60; X200, T/W400/500
Modern models:
X220/X230 - 12", 768p, cheap and light
T420/T430 - 14", 900p, widely available, socketed CPU, Ivy Bridge installable w/ Coreboot on T420; Old keyboard swap on *30 series
T/W52/30 - 15", 1080p, DTR, 32GB RAM on quadcore models, USB 3
T440p/540p; W540/1 - Last Thinkpads with socketed processors, easily replaceable trackpad (W541 doesn't need trackpad replacement)
P-Series - 15'' + 17'', 4K display, 64gb of RAM, Xeon CPU option. Expensive. Bad stock cooling reported by multiple owners.

Why ThinkPad?
Used machines are plentiful and cheap
Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet
Great durability: magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
The best TrackPoint, great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad
Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

Hardware Maintenance Manuals (HMM's) and Windows drivers for legacy devices:
download.lenovo.com/eol
Used laptop guides by xsauc:
dankpads.com
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads & running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
lenovoservicetraining.com/
EPP discount for new ThinkPads:
pastebin.com/JVwVGVTW
BIOS logo booru:
biosimage.booru.org/

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Other urls found in this thread:

smallformfactor.net/reviews/thermal-paste-a-roundup#Results
supforums.com/thread/65266360/technology
frys.com/product/9394150?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

William Butler
William Butler

How is everyone doing?

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Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

Good! Thank you for making this thread. Ritsu is super cute.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

shit girl, shit anime, shit op, shit thread

William Rogers
William Rogers

Using my T410 to install Gentoo on my T60 and Porteus on an SD card for my X200.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

going to replace my t430 cpu. Whats a good thermal paste brand to use?

Nolan Nelson
Nolan Nelson

Most name brand pastes perform similarly to each other.
smallformfactor.net/reviews/thermal-paste-a-roundup#Results
I've been using the same tube of CP7 for the past 2 years, worked fine on my T440p.

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

Repostan
I know you guys hate them, but I'm wondering if I can use an msata ssd in my elitebook 8470p. There's a slot and screwhole for it but is it meant for storage or a wwan card?
Here's a smug Cheney as thanks

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Thomas Sullivan
Thomas Sullivan

is that the "i hope you guys seriously don't do this" guy today?

man he looks really old these days

Mason Edwards
Mason Edwards

No user, that's the " I ruined all your collective lives for the next 5 decades" guy.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

thanks, Ill go with that one then

Justin Lee
Justin Lee

X270 vs t470, how limited are my hub options with the x270?

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Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Repostan in new thread supforums.com/thread/65266360/technology

Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

Good, thank you.

I now possess an x220 Tablet.
i5-2520m 2.5GHz
4GB RAM
320GB 7200RPM HDD
Ultrabase 3 dock with 90W adapter
$80
I swapped out the HDD with a Samsung 256GB 850 EVO, installed Mint with the Cinnamon DE and I'm currently using TLP to recalibrate the battery. Thinking about getting a drive caddy for the bay in the base so the 320GB HDD doesn't go to waste.

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Levi Price
Levi Price

29++ - has no authentication chip, and can only be used in X220
44++ - comes standard with the authentication chip, and be used in X220 and X230

29++ can be used in X230 if you do a bios mod, though.

Isaiah Butler
Isaiah Butler

$80

what the fuck

Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett

Is there no other difference? Thanks.

While we're on the subject of batteries, my X220 used to report first use date and cycle count, but my (bios modded) X230 using the exact same battery and OS (I just swapped the SSD) doesn't - could that be because it's not a 44++?

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

$200 with some tape and glue residue on the lid
how did I do?

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Zachary Anderson
Zachary Anderson

I'm thinking of giving my T420 a SSD, what's the size that (usually) gives best bang for the buck speed wise? 256gb?

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

1600x900
i7 3520m
Very good T430, just missing an ssd. You could add an msata if you want to keep the dvd drive.

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

Woah you got the rare variant with the NVS 5400M with 2GB of VRAM (instead of 1), nice!
Very good deal but an SSD is certainly a must.

Eli Miller
Eli Miller

that eras' p model elitebooks couldn't do msata. my 2570p has the same limitation

and fuck "msata sux muh 6gb/s" guy it's free real estate

Eli Adams
Eli Adams

500 gb SSD and T420 keyboard are in the mail thanks guys

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

Enjoy your new ThinkPad user!

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Benjamin Bennett
Benjamin Bennett

Replace the keyboard too

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

Why does my x220t have this under the thinkpad logo?

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Brody Harris
Brody Harris

was probably a fleet laptop for a library or some other nerdass book organization and they etched their logo into the lid. then someone began grinding it off with a dremel for some dumb reason but gave up like 45sec in

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

Pretty good, ordered a BBB last night with the intention of using it to flash libreboot on my t400, but this morning decided against that so I can keep a windows partition on it. Don't feel like canceling the order though, so I'm thinking of buying again

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

lol upon closer inspection the grinding was to remove text (one of the words was "school") from the etching, probably for "privacy" reasons

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Better keyboard than ThinkPad.

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Jeremiah Thomas
Jeremiah Thomas

Pretty good, nearly done configuring Openbox properly for the first time on my T420. I finally got around to switching over from Gnome now that I've got some time on Spring Break.

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Hunter Lewis
Hunter Lewis

dedicated euro and dollar sign keys

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Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

How did you do that with Mugi? It's amazing.

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Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

and I've posted this before, but pic related is the back of the machine
Good edition, OP

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Justin Foster
Justin Foster

thats gbp, ya big silly willy

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

uk keyboard, iso best layout

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Lucas Bennett
Lucas Bennett

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Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

?

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Jonathan Baker
Jonathan Baker

It's just a .PNG file opened in borderless mode in nomacs, I just put it there for the screenshot. Apologies for the trickery.
However, I know that there is a guy named Ben that posts in the desktop threads (I think it's the one on /w/) that has experience with that sort of thing. He's got Mio from Nichijou integrated into various elements of his UI.

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Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

Here's the PNG

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Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

I see. Still very nice user.

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Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

Only if I find the weeb edition KB.

Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

not hard to get JP keyboards for 7-row

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

sorry my love. i thought you were talking about Shift+3

i love you

Charles Rivera
Charles Rivera

Due to some reasons I had to peel off the whole rubber surface of a T420's top cover. Are those cover skins any good or should I just buy another?

Don't want to plasti dip it.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

you got a pic of that?

Kayden Rodriguez
Kayden Rodriguez

ah damn
I guess it's missing the controller?

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

ok fellers, got T420 and T520 just yesterday. Quick questions:
1. Should I update the bios? they are running something from 2011, and I'm not planning on installing coreboot.
2. fingerprint readers seem to be disabled on both, to the point where neither fprintd nor bios actually detect them (bios throws a device not found). I haven't seen anything suspicious when I was disassembling the T420, although I had no idea about the reader at the time so I might've missed something

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

1. dont bother
2. the reader is useless anyway, dont even bother

Chase Barnes
Chase Barnes

I bought a x220 a couple of days ago and I love it, but the bluetooth is either broken or disabled. The keyboard shortcut for it does nothing and when troubleshooting windows says that there it has no bluetooth capabilities.

Am I missing something? I've checked the bios and I couldn't come up with anything.

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

$75, excellent condition, light tape marks on the lid (how do I remove them btw?) How did I do?

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Jonathan Roberts
Jonathan Roberts

weeb edition KB feels so good

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Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

Recently got a T430 with similar specs for the same price.

Only difference is that I got 16GB DDR3L-2133 RAM + 1GB NVS 5400M while you got 8GB RAM + 2GB NVS 5400M instead.

You did great. Enjoy your new laptop.

[spoiler]I prefer the 2GB GPU. I'm quite jealous now.[/spoiler]

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

w520 freezes whenever I move it slightly. 9 times out of 10 I end up not being able to get much further than grub.

I am nowhere in the position to buy something, but I have a t60 and t61

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Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams

the mio on my desktop music player and todolist is done by a script periodically editing my wallpaper with imagemagick; ive seen another poster on irc called gentsu I think using a cario instance as a scripted transparent image viewer to do similar things

With a posix wm you can definitely do the mugi effects for real like that I think

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Noah Green
Noah Green

rare x183

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Charles Richardson
Charles Richardson

Recently got a T430 as a gift from a friend of mine. The only issue with the laptop is that the motherboard is dead and I'll have to buy a new one and replace it. All other parts are fine as I have been able to test them on another T430.

I have been looking at the T430's FRU List to find the part number of the motherboard so I can more easily search for it on ebay or aliexpress but I'm finding some of the list's terminology confusing and I don't know what's the difference between all the listed motherboard models and which one should I get.

I want to get a motherboard with the 2GB 5400 GPU so I guess that the ones that say "SWG 2GB" are the ones I should be looking at but I don't know what "AMT", "TPM" and "AES" are. I guess that the the "Y-" and "N-" prefixes indicates if the motherboard has one of those things or not.

Anyone able to make some sense out of all of this?

Pic releated: Motherboard models and part numbers

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William Gomez
William Gomez

I kind of want a weeb keyboard for my T420
Any wierdness when you use it for only English? Looks like everything is in the correct place-ish

Adrian Thomas
Adrian Thomas

Proud Soypad owner.

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Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

Oh hey, I didn't know you posted in here. I love seeing your work. Interesting info, thank you.

Sebastian Roberts
Sebastian Roberts

From what I hear that tiny spacebar is a real pain in the ass.

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

My guesses:
AMT is the Intel Management Engine and related. The TPM is the Trusted Platform Module, for key management and trusted-GRUB, basically irrelevant. AES is whether it has crypto acceleration.

Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

Good.

I'm building a custom/smaller W7 image to install on both of muh Chinkpads
T420 & X61

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Kayden Jackson
Kayden Jackson

Acer keyboards are shit.
t. guy who had Acer laptops at his job

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

How bad has forced obsoletion effected Thinkpads compared to MacBooks?

It's just another concern from a previous laptop, but heard both are decent for second hand use.

Ayden Edwards
Ayden Edwards

Whoever told you that is wrong

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

I bought an elitebook 8470p for $145
It has a locked BIOS though..
So far it doesn't seem like it preventing me from booting off a USB and installing linux, but I'm having an interesting issue here, and I don't know if it's because I'm running off a live USB or if visualization is disabled in the BIOS.
pic related, I can't get qemu to use KVM even though modprobe says it's there and lscpu detects the vt-x extension in the CPU.

If this is because the BIOS is locked, is there a way to reset it or should I return it? If the former is true I can get a partial refund off the seller right? How much should I ask for in that case?
sorry for the autism

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Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

Macbooks are overpriced shit. You can buy a Macbook w/ a Core 2 Duo or buy a Thinkpad with a Core i5 for the same (or less) price.

Also you can turn your Thinkpad into a Hackintosh, if you like OSX.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

It hasn't affected them at all because they were designed to last, not get updated after an annual conference. These computers are literally space-travel-tier technology, seeing how they constitute the absolute majority of computers used in ISS. Keep in mind that this design philosophy was dropped on chinkpads

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Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

That was my purpose for a MacBook. Experience in the OS, that's it.

But still want to know what optioms for thinkpads upgrading to IPS? That's when I question support. Ram, SSD, all the other components are readily available for the T430 that I've been eyeballing.

Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

People with big spacebars are just compensating for something...

Josiah Green
Josiah Green

Go grab the manual from thinkwiki.org and have a look-see. It's a little stub of a daughterboard with a single screw holding it down underneath the right side of the palm rest. I'm forearms-deep in my x220t right now after replacing the thermal paste.

Looks like a great deal; mirin' that i7 and the dGPU.

Brayden Morgan
Brayden Morgan

IPS screens are available for the T430, and you can slap an Alienware screen on a T420, but they are pretty rare...

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

are there any x301 fans here?
1440x900 display
lightweight
1.4 Ghz cpu
original retail $3200 (!!!!!!)
I'm wondering if they run like dogshit on the modern web tho.

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Blake Hughes
Blake Hughes

What CPU does it have?

Nicholas Sanders
Nicholas Sanders

Also I'll elaborate on why I bought it, since this thread is mainly thinkpad focused (my main machine is a T520)
hackintoshes pretty much ootb from what I've read
has expresscard for eGPU but also a massive cooling block so the CPU wont throttle, especially if you put a quadcore in
needed a 14in to lug around

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Dominic Cox
Dominic Cox

They only came with a core2 duo U series or something. It looks like an x200 would kick its ass. I was curious as to why they sell for as much as an x220/30 these days.. They seem to be lenovo's competitor to the macbook air of 2008

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

become obsessed with the x1c6 despite my refurbished elitebook still fulfilling my use case.
halp

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

Maybe they sell "high" because they are rare/not as common as an X200+.

The CPU seems a little shitty (I have an X61 w/a C2D @2.20GHz and woks pretty well)

Wyatt Reed
Wyatt Reed

If Best Buy was selling refurbished T420's with an i5 2520, 8gb ram, 180 gb SSD and windows 10 for 280 dollars online only with no images showing the current condition would you buy it?

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

What's the most popular Thinkpad around here?

Lincoln Phillips
Lincoln Phillips

Alienware
Wow. Neat. Kinda sad it was Dell that I was leaving. The laptop still kicking ass in a relatives ownership.

Thanks for that, now I just have to find an opportunity without FOBO.

Jace Allen
Jace Allen

If anyone remembers where i asked about thermal pads in the x220 a few threads ago, im back and i have an answer.

I took it all apart again and i can confirm that the thermal pad on the x220 southbridge IS a gapfiller pad and using paste in lieu is NOT suitable, there was hardly any spread on the paste when i took the heastsink back off. If you just pasted it too, you should take it apart and redo it with a pad. Luckily i already had some high conductivity pad spare.

David Barnes
David Barnes

I've taken apart laptops and found little squares of copper stacked where those crappy pads used to be.

Gabriel Allen
Gabriel Allen

Most of them have nasty 1366x768 displays. The price sounds a tad high

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

Do you have a link, or it's a supposition?

Charles Morales
Charles Morales

Supposition.

Jace James
Jace James

Then, No.

If that were real, I'd go, max, for $200.

Hunter Rogers
Hunter Rogers

IVe done that once or twice, dont have thin copper sheet around to cut up
though.

Pad is fine for a southbridge, they hardly even do anything important these days anyway.

Gabriel Rogers
Gabriel Rogers

I need to psych myself up and install an mSata drive in my x220.
I found most of those copper squares installed in housefire HP's where the pads were probably incinerated.

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

I should have just given the link. I thought it'd get sold right away if I did:

frys.com/product/9394150?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

These guys sell old/used laptops as "refurbished". They just add more ram and the SSD. It's a scam.

I was very lucky to buy an "used" X61, but it was in brand-new conditions. Only has missing the HDD caddy, but the keyboard was intact. Still smells like new.

feelsgoodman.jpg

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

And the battery it's at 100% of life/health.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

You can pick up a T420 for 100 US, 8GB of RAM for 40, and whatever SSD. Use the rest to find a better display?

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

So i read that getting the SSD in 2.5" driver bay format and not the msata is preferable, because the msata slot is only sata 2 and the drive bay is sata 3 (twice as fast), because of the sandy bridge chipset. Sata 2 will severely hobble an SSD.

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

Oh, dude. Check my dubs!

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Liam Lopez
Liam Lopez

Sata II are fine.
I have/use a 256 MSATA for the OS(es)

Owen Foster
Owen Foster

Interesting. I still use spinning rust in most machines. I bought a cheap mSata drive for a project that failed and needs a home.

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

If you are afraid of SATA II speeds, you still can buy an adapter to turn that MSATA into a normal 2.5 Sata SSD.

Bentley Jenkins
Bentley Jenkins

I'm considering getting a T430, but I really like the feel of the T420 keyboard. How hard/costly is a keyboard swap?

Jacob Long
Jacob Long

I'ts not only the keyboard
You're welcome.

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Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

If you put enough paste it should do the trick, when I didn't put enough paste the southbridge wasnt making contact with the heatsink, but now it is making contact and the temperatures are lower.

Mason White
Mason White

I'm really torn between x220 and t430 :(

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

Whats the last models of dell latitudes that can be easily modified?

Mason Reyes
Mason Reyes

thats not how paste works bucko

its only there to displace air gaps. The ideal amount of paste is zero, if both surfaces were perfectly atomically smooth.

you cant just have some kind of liquid bridge in there they have to be touching

Brayden White
Brayden White

T410 Vs X220, buying my first ThinkPad and both are the same price (refurbished)

Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright

So lets say i bought a t420 but the keyboard is missing some keys, where do i go to buy those ?
Whole keyboards on ebay are around 50$ so fuck that

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

Acer Aspire
First laptop was an Acer Aspire 5100

HOLY FUCKING DIABLO DELETE THIS GARBAGE

Nathaniel Cruz
Nathaniel Cruz

try AliExpress, it cost around 35-37 bucks

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

one hundred and ninety fucking euros for a T420
And that's the cheapest I can find with an as-new state T420. On the other hand, it's 1600x900 and 14 day money back so if it's in worse condition than advertised I'll send it back.

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

What is a thinkpad that respects my freedom ?
Free as in freedom not free beer
Is a t420 fine (i heard its getting libreboot soon)

Michael Foster
Michael Foster

Thinkpad t60,x200,t400,t500

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

W500

James Jackson
James Jackson

I don't get it. What makes the T420 better?

Hudson Diaz
Hudson Diaz

wi-fi cards are whitelisted in BIOS in 430, also batteries are vendor locked.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

uk keyboard best layout
damn right

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

so what would happen to the lid of the thinkpad if I took steel wool to it? Would it get the brushed metal or stainless look?

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William Jones
William Jones

plz try and report back

Joshua Torres
Joshua Torres

The T420 has a better keyboard by default, and there is no restriction on wi-fi cards or batteries. However, the T430 has much better performance in everything and battery life.

T430 modded > T420 > T430

Ethan Adams
Ethan Adams

I bet a cute person made this thread

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