"The closest the 'art establishment' ever came to embracing metal was punk...

"The closest the 'art establishment' ever came to embracing metal was punk. The reason they embraced punk was because it was rubbish and the reason they embraced rubbish was because they could control it. They could say 'Oh yeah, we're punk so we can sneer at everybody. We can't play our fucking instruments, but that means we can make out that this whole thing is some enormous performance art. Half the kids that were in punk bands were laughing at the art establishment, going 'What a fucking bunch of tosspots. Thanks very much, give us the money and we'll fuck off and stick it up our nose and shag birds.' But what they'd really love to be doing is being in a heavy metal band surrounded by porn stars."

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punk > metal

>Thanks very much, give us the money and we'll fuck off and stick it up our nose and shag birds
this is what almost every musician does

>art establishment
>literally belongs to the art establishment
self-awareness?

He's right and I know exactly why punk attracts people like Bob Christgau; they were friendless know-it-all aspies in high school who got their ass kicked by jocks who dated the cheerleaders.

are you implying metal doesn't?

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Unless you're Gene Simmons who was a friendless aspie in HS and decided to play in a band so he could get laid.

Shit, metal fans are nerdy as hell. You think in the 80s that Iron Maiden had the same fans as Motley Crue. Of course not. Maidenfags were D&D nerds who played Ultima on their Apple IIs while Crue fans were trailer park-tier.

I guess he doesn't know why punk go t started in the first place. Punk was against metal and the overindulgent bands that played 20min guitar solos and songs that never seemed to end. The fact that the ramones and sex pistols didn't really know how to play was just in support of that notion. People that really didn't know how to play wrote songs that became popular and the point of the music was the rhythm and vocal melody not the solos or riffs (even though today that has changed). But if you look at guitarists like Michael Olga Olger you'll see that punk has a lot of talent in the instrumental department it just doesn't like to overindulge on that aspect of music.

I share his opinion, though it needs to be said that there also are exceptions like Ramones, Clash, Daniel Landa etc.

I dunno about that. Apparently back in my dad's day metal was really cool. He and his mates were all metal-heads as WELL as jocks, but then again they would all listen to Maiden, Motley, ACDC and pretty much anything with distorted guitars that you can drink beer to.

Might be a cultural difference (I'm Australian)

metal fans are 99% this i mean it's the school shooter genre ffs

That was how it was in the US. Dio, Maiden, and anything with wizards-and-witches had hardcore nerd fans. Thrash bands a little different because they were more punk-based.

Ramones are exactley kind of thing he is talking about "Oh look, i can play powerchords, like 3 of them!"

I get that, but their music has got at least something to it. Other punk bands sound way too worse.

Steve Harris has talked a lot about this. When punk was getting big in the 70s, what became the "nwobhm" was a direct response to punks response, thy didn't like that punk didn't show any respect for music or even any particular love for it, it often seemed like music was only used as a platform for them to try and talk politics rather than because they enjoyed music which was largely why a lot of British metal bands started then (admittedly the American 80s brand was more about getting laid)

>(admittedly the American 80s brand was more about getting laid)
What. Most American metal in the 80s was about shit like nuclear war and being butthurt at the PMRC and religion.

The Ramones have songs about sniffing glue. A lot of their songs have very little substance. Also, their sound is very boring, even if we compare it to the '70s. Yeah, I get that Punk was new in the '70s; but no one was praising the sound of the Punk bands back then. (In fact, most critics hated the sound of '70s Punk.) Rather, they were praising the sheer audacity of certain bands, that they basically were like, "F*ck this sh*t!". Punk is and always has been political, and that aspect is always what has received praise, not their damn music.

OK I meant the "hair metal" that became mainstream

Sniffing glue is about teenage apathy in a dying city (70's New York). There's a lot of substance to it, but they were not scholars, they were broke chaps.

And they could have easily presented it in a much different manner, a manner with substance. That doesn't require "scholarly" thinking. Just a bit of thought.

Pretty sure the Ramones received praise for the way they deconstructed bubblegum-pop, so yeah, their music.

Your opinion ignores the context of the times. When the Ramones first album was released, NO ONE had ever heard anything like it. It sounded the way it did for lots of reasons. It was a reaction to the bloated prog wankfests, commercial buttrock, and California hippie triple albums that polluted the airwaves at that time. It celebrated the short, simple songs of the 60s, which is what the guys in the 70s grew up on. It stripped rock down to its bones, said what it had to say, and never took itself too seriously. I don't listen to the Ramones much anymore, but I'll still take them over most crap released in the 70s. Punk was never about technical prowess. It's about empowerment, and thinking for yourself, which will probably be illegal pretty soon. If that happens, I promise you that Bruce Dickinson won't be trying to help you. The guy with the anarchy tattoo will be the one who shares his sandwich.

lolwut?...Punk's starting had ZERO to do with metal bands which were barely a thing at that time. It was against the self-indulgent (at that point) bands from the early '70s and the '60s, the Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, Yes, and also the buttrock trash like Doobie Brothers and REO Speedwagon.

Odd, since NWOBHM bands, Maiden in particular, drew heavily from punk.

he's gonna get hit by that plane

So I've been really into metal from my 12th till 17. The last 5 years I've explored a lot of genres. The genre that I enjoy the most is punk now. Although I listen to pretty much everything right now. The issue with metal for me is that most metal is basicly a showcase of technique. It has no soul whatsoever. Punk however is a much more emotional genre. Musicianship is not first priority. Emotion is. This makes it a lot more engaging for me. Listening to technical shit for 5 years gets really fucking boring at one point.

They guy with the anarchy tattoo will love the fall of society because he could never survive in society he would much rather complain about how everything is unjust rather than accomplish anything for himself much like the current sjw

Err, no they didn't. Maiden were founded in 1975 and Judas Priest (in an early incarnation) began in 1970. They released their first albums with the Rob/Glenn/KK lineup in 1974 and 76. Priest were cross-town rivals to Black Sabbath, but had to wait until Sabbath died off before they could take over. Maiden didn't get anywhere until the Sex Pistols disbanded. Both bands were influenced by the early 70s Britrock like Sabbath, Zeppelin, and Deep Purple NOT punk.

Much like the current metal fanbase

Look I have allot of respect for Dickinson and I don't listen to much punk but the fact is, metal would not have been the same without it. Punk also revolutionized metal since it inspired the thrash bands all of whom introduced a faster, simpler, no-bullshit metal with no wizards-and-witches crap and no silly stage costumes.

Metallica always cited the Misfits, GBH, SNFU, and many other punk bands as influences. Sure, they added the technical playing, but the speed and energy was influenced by punk rock, also the fact that they dropped the whole Tolkien schtick that had been a characteristic of metal since the first Sabbath album.

Man, what's with these dadrockers being asses lately? first Rob Halford being a selfish prick about being a metal god, and now bruce talking shit about punk. I've lost so much respect for these guys!

they haven't been relevant in almost 30 years, it's hard for people who like attention.

Like who, who in the metal fan Base is complaining about this? The minority on the Internet, metal festivals were the majority of metal fans are have a very strong community spirit and you won't find anyone being penelised for liking other music

>A whole new spectrum
How fitting since you are on one

Sadly just like punk, thrash metal did not evolve at all