Playing a record on a turntable and swishing it around isn't music. It's neat, it has it's place, but don't insult real musicians like guitarists/vocalists/pianists/violinists... you know, ACTUAL musicians... by calling a DJ a musician.
Here's a fun way to prove it. Ask your DJ who is scratching/spinning some record that IS NOT Mary Had a Little Lamb to play Mary Had a Little Lamb
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Nice extreemely limited definitiion of music, idiot.
DJ FUCKHEAD
I HAVE NO T-T-T-TALENT
(not true by the way)
i don't think you can discount that so easily. Any pianist/guitarist/cellist/banjo player/sax player, literally ANY musician who plays an "instrument" can play Mary Had a Little Lamb. The only kind that can't are drummers/percussionists and DJ's
>Ask your DJ who is scratching/spinning some record that IS NOT Mary Had a Little Lamb to play Mary Had a Little Lamb
While a single DJ probably couldn't do that live, electronic musicians easily can, and most successful DJs are also electronic musicians. Besides that, multiple DJs playing together or a DJ with multi-track recording equipment could.
a turntable is functionally percussion instrument
What about Plunderphonics?
The mixer/turntable is an actual instrument you fucking retard.
John Oswald described the art: "A phonograph in the hands of a 'hiphop/scratch' artist who plays a record like an electronic washboard with a phonographic needle as a plectrum, produces sounds which are unique and not reproduced—the record player becomes a musical instrument."[2]
>percussion isn't music
holy shit you are a retart
Its an oddly specific bait in this thread.
well, depends. djing isn't musicianship in and of itself, but turntablism definitely is, and there's elements to constructing a dj set that resemble making music.
Hes right faggots
DJ's dont make mistakes because all they do is turn stupid knobs
The hierarchy of musical talent goes like this:
>classical instrument-super hard to get the correct tone, hard to emote properly but leads to beautiful results
>electric string instruments- any loser can get decent on electric guitar pretty quickly, but with proper study is also highly personal and emotive
>dj's- hurrrr durrrr turn some knobs and press buttons, anyone can do this
There's was this telly program where they took a rookie and gave them a two week crash course then
A panel of experts had to spot the rookie do amongst the professionals
Nobody could,
It's that easy no one could tell
Playing an instrument to a high standard, even practising every day isn't enough sometimes to keep all the information together
>super hard to get the correct tone
>implying electric instruments don't offer a way huger myriad of tones
What even does "super hard to get the correct tone" mean?
This shows youve never touched instruments before :/
Its about the nuances you can get with your fingers, yes electronic offers a wider array of sounds but youre doing it without physical skill, like i said just dialing in shit on knobs.
Wheras a violin player can express the full range of emotions on one single note, this takes years and years of practice to do. A trumpet player can sound like a mournful singing voice or like an advancing army, but it takes years
Those are technical aspects of the player, not the instrument's tone.
>a violin player can express the full range of emotions on one single note
wow talk about subjective judgement amirite
Classical and jazz probably require the more years to master (a lot of it due to theory), but to dismiss whole instruments because they aren't used in those styles much is pretty shallow.
Also, in electronic music, you can also get a lot of the nuances you mentioned, considering you're in full control of what you're producing. A type of control you can't get out of physical instruments.
Explain how it's a bad thing that musicians can now accomplish more faster rather than spending years of practice just to be mediocre? Electronic music has less barriers to entry, but just as high of a skill ceiling.
It doesn't take nearly as long to become a mediocre electronic musician as it does to become a mediocre violinist, meaning you can actually create something people might want to listen to without devoting your entire life to it. If you see that as a bad thing, you have an elitist mindset.
I don't think anyone has ever called a DJ a musician before.
The skill in DJing is purely curatorial. It's about what music you play, and in what way, and how it works with a crowd. The technicalities you describe are simply a way of enhancing that curation and making it go smoothly.
It sounds like your problem is with turntablism, which is a totally different thing in its own right. It's certainly a form of musical expression, but enormously different to playing a guitar or whatever. Different, yes, but certainly not inferior or even superior.