Discuss.
Did the Beatles pioneer noise-rock with "Revolution"?
Gabriel Garcia
Colton Foster
Ehh...kind of a stretch. That song came out in '68 right? TVU was noisier a year before.
Lucas Green
This OP, you fucked up.
Gabriel Sullivan
James Price
Perhaps they popularized it I guess, but certainly not pioneered
Juan Roberts
The Beatles failed to pioneer a single genre of music.
William Martinez
mom rock
Ayden Nguyen
No, they did that four years earlier with I Feel Fine
Josiah Morgan
Hey Jude, is it?
Thomas Morris
But they popularised an awful lot...
Also:
Metal with Helter Skelter
Shoegaze with It's All Too Much
Jangle Pop with Hard Day's Night
Pretty much Psychedelic stuff in pop music (feedback on I Feel Fine, drone on Ticket to Ride, the obvious stuff in Norwegian Wood, stuff on Revolver which sounds like nothing else released at the time e.g Tomorrow Never Knows)
Joseph Martinez
>le beatles influenced everything meme XD
Liam Rogers
But they did...
Christian Perry
The 13th Floor Elevators are the ones who invented psychedelia. But they weren't that great. They're fun, and Roky Erickson's an interesting guy, but The Beatles and Grateful Dead are better than the Elevators ever could have been.
The Byrds are really the ones who created jangle pop. But while the Byrds had a fantastic sound and did some wonderful songs, the Beatles were much more effective and creative with the sound.
The Beatles started out as a skiffle band. They jumped on that bandwagon. But there are no other skiffle bands worth remembering.
I can't even call the Beatles one of my favorite bands. I'm not all that fond of them. But the fact of the matter is, they made some great stuff, they were prolific, and they were massively important to pop, rock, and everything connected to them. It goes beyond popularity (Scruffy's a retard) - if we're just going by early stuff, early Beatles is way overrated IMO - I'd take early Stones or early Who over it. But by 66 they became something unique and pretty revolutionary for popular music.
Carter Peterson
Except none of this is true and you're reading far too much into their work. I could say the exact same stuff about most other contemporaries and it would be just as if not more true.
Isaac Ross
I know not liking the Beatles and flat out denying their influence on popular music is the ultimate contrarian move, but that doesn't make you right.
The vast majority of music critics (no matter how you feel about them) and music people in general agree they were pretty far ahead of their time. Not always, of course, but time and time again they produced styles of music that just hadn't been made or heard before. The release of Revolver being the prime example.
Andrew Taylor
But why is Revolver cited so frequently while contemporary records like A Quick One (which was instrumental in establishing prog, metal, noise and even featured sampling/spoken word) are forgotten?
Liam Sullivan
Come on A Quick One isn't really that great
Ryder Richardson
Whether or not you think it's great, it was very influential but has been forgotten by time (or overshadowed by their later releases) unlike Revolver.
Aiden Richardson
You're literally wrong
The Byrds directly started the jangle pop thing after seeing George Harrison use a 12 String
Helter Skelter is unanimously regarded as proto-metal
It's All Too Much is the earliest example I've found of a real 'Shoegaze' sound
The psych stuff is pretty indisputable too
Feel free to find earlier, more prolific examples from other artists to prove me wrong
Joseph Johnson
Who did it influence? It's a fine record but nothing more. The fact it's been forgotten proves it's not influential in the same way as Revolver is
Jordan Carter
>The Byrds directly started the jangle pop thing after seeing George Harrison use a 12 String
So they influenced each other.
>Helter Skelter is unanimously regarded as proto-metal
So is Boris the Spider and Black Monk Time and they were '66.
>It's All Too Much is the earliest example I've found of a real 'Shoegaze' sound
Not the same thing as Shoegaze at all.
>Who did it influence?
Early death metal vocalists and the entire prog genre to name a couple.
>The fact it's been forgotten proves it's not influential in the same way as Revolver is
No. Long-term fame and contemporary influence are two completely different things.
Jaxson Russell
>So they influenced each other.
The Byrds didn't even releases their first single until after The Beatles released A Hard Day's Night, and The Byrds have all been very upfront about the influence that had on the group
Anyway, even if they were the second or third, or even like the twentieth band to do something in a certain way, that's still pretty ahead of the curve, and it's most likely that The Beatles had more of an influence on the genre as a whole than some French Musique Concrete guy two weeks earlier, or whatever.
Gabriel Sanchez
Doom metal
Zachary Bennett
>Not the same thing as Shoegaze at all
But you can say exactly the same thing about Black Monk Time and metal... why does one fit when it suits you and not the other?
Long-term influence is the most important factor and if you think otherwise you're wrong