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Is this true?
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Edgar Varese, Terry Riley, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Klaus Schulze
So it is true
why the FUCK is daft punk there it triggers my insides
All of these except Riley are avant-teen "more influential than good" core
the list goes on
Why not? Are you attempting to imply they are better or different to Joel?
>all post 1980s electronic music is either EDM or IDM
idm is literally techno, downtempo, dnb / jungle, so...
You clearly don't know Daft Punk's fanbase
I think I'd love the band if 99% of my exposure to it wasn't cringey 13 year olds
No, its not.
Downtempo is downtempo.
DnB is DnB
Jungle is jungle
What the fuck made you think they were IDM?
idm isn't an actual genre - it's more of a movement or scene (similar to krautrock) made up of non-dance friendly versions of those genres, or sometimes amalgamations of them. autechre are techno, boards are downtempo, aphex is techno and jungle etc.
oh wow
this is the dumbest post I've read all year, well done.
PROTIP: Jungle, downtempo, drum n' bass and techno all existed before IDM and IDM is not an umbrella term for anything.
Not him but you completely missed the point and probably have a sub-100 IQ
>Sean Booth: Yeah, there's definitely no hierarchy of the intellect going on. All these things about us being "intelligent" and the term "IDM" are just silly. I'm not a particularly intelligent person, me. I'm diligent, I'm pretty hardworking, but I'm not that clever. I ain't got any qualifications, I just pick up stuff that I think is interesting at the time. And is our music abstract and weird? To us or our mates it's not! Maybe if you've only listened to pop music, then yeah, it's weirder, because you've not been exposed to it. But that works the other way, too. I don't listen to pop, but someone dumped a load of Max Martin tracks on me to try and explain what he was about, and it seemed really, really alien to me, like Nazi youth music or something. I think everyone has a different idea of what weird is.
>IDM is not an umbrella term for anything
Then define it, shitlord. Put up or shut up
>Jungle, downtempo, drum n' bass and techno all existed before IDM
i know this - where did i say otherwise?
it's not dumb at all, the whole purpose of the a.i. series in the first place was to create "home listening" variations of club tracks. listen to that comp again and then listen to some of the techno tracks from that time and you'll see how closely related they were. sometimes it was even just a few filter effects that made the difference.
Autechre are techno
Boards are downtempo
Aphex is jungle/ambient/varous
There is nothing else to it. There is no greater ''IDM'' umbrella for all these to fall under, they aren't anything, it was just a fucking mailing list name.
If anything all of them would fall under the umbrella of downtempo not IDM since it came first.
countless arguments into "is Music Has the Right to Children IDM even if it doesn't sound like Aphex Twib?" we still have not found an answer to what IDM is. We know it started with the American press. We don't know what they thought they were talking about. We know almost every IDM artist doesn't want to be known as intelligent dance music.
i don't even think there should be an umbrella term. just call them what they are desu.
i love sean tbqh
I agree, thats why I said ''if anything...''
It was just the name of a mailing list, not a genre, umbrella term or anything else.
I saw some Pitchfork writer on twitter making fun of them for this quote. Of course he's an American journo and was prob just salty that they were invalidating a "genre" name that his profession facilitated in becoming an accepted term, lol.
wew
You forgot that weird hipster middle groud with artists like Porter Robbinson, Odesza, and Jamie XX
They're all regular EDM, what?
Nah when I think of EDM I think of festival and Holy Ship type of music. The stuff I gave is all more chill and laid back than that
What I'm talking about is that middle pop ground so labels like Ed Banger Records
Ed Banger are proto-EDM
I'm an american who only listens to electronic music from
and that pic is exactly how I see electronic
I'm very alternative my favorite DJs are Jamie XX and Disclosure
when did you grow out of idm, Sup Forums?
aphex twin
>boring, repetitive beats
>stupid "lol so randumb" aesthetic
>anti-vaxer
autechre
>gay for eachother probably
>literally just noise/fart sounds
>they like young thug
squarepusher
>doesn't have the fastest drums
>dumb retard face
>stupid, nonsensical name
boards of canada
>sappy emotional pandering
>le "nostalgia :(((" meme
>a fucking leaf
VS
twenty one pilots
>intriguing, introspective lyrics
>genuine emotion
>confuses plebs like fantano
>multiple genres, incredible skill with merging them
>real instruments
>hit singles
the EDM side is accurate, because it's basically rainbow cancer (daft punk is okay I guess)
I don't even know what the IDM side is trying to say, but at least it's a real genre and not meme music
>and that pic is exactly how I see electronic
Same. IDGAF how many bullshit names you give it, its all shitty UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ crap.
>IDM
>a real genre
well statistically you're probably right, since by definition half the population is below 100 IQ, you probably are too.
The point is its all either EDM or IDM to Americans
laurel halo interests me
>autechre
>gay for eachother probably
I wish desu
95% of Americans have never even heard the word idm. it's either "techno" like deadmau5, or "dubstep" like skrillex. no inbetween
t. ameridonald
fixed it for you OP
t. a pardner who is painfully aware of how the average person considers "electronic music"
lol americans don't know what the fuck IDM is,
Basically, nobody listened to any electronic music in US until dubstep, even then only weird assholes listened to it, then someone said "EDM" at some point and everything with a beep became EDM
I want a north face jacket now. I work outside... I feel like I've been tricked into appropriating a style for the first time since I was a teenager.
That's not even legit dubstep either. Like no one in the US listens to Mala lol
I swear I made this exact reply in a thread some time over the past few days
I thought I was reading my own post for a sec
Explains a lot about this board desu
tbf, its probably a regularly occurring sentiment fampai
I know, but I mean literally down to the wording
the only difference is that I may have forgotten the >autechre, but otherwise I'm pretty sure it was identical
are you me?
i mean, maybe m8. i don't pretend to know all of the the universe's mysteries
damn...
...
What about shit like moby?
electronic artists who got big in the US in the 90s
(Moby, Crystal Method, The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers) are called "electronica"
not that user, but pop or electronica
what I find is that middle aged people tend to call stuff electronica or maybe techno if they're even older. people 30 and below would probably call it EDM or maybe dubstep if they're youtube-comment-tier
god, i fuckin hate the term electronica
Thanks for clarifying.
Speaking of which, what are your opinions on the genre, Moby in particular.
maybe if you just remove the right panel because the average American (or person) has never heard of IDM or those artists
So if electronica is the catch all term for mainstream electronic dance music in the 90s and EDM is the equivalent for the 2010s, what did people use in the 2000s?
Growing up I kinda remember all the big dance tracks of the 2000s just being called "club music"
So is this why techno or house or breaks threads fail so badly on this board?
Brit here, it was all either dance music or chillout, or call them by the genres they are.
Even my old dear knows the difference between big beat and house.
C'mon, loads of people know BoC and Aphex
Autechre are a bit more niche and cult-ish than the previously mentioned artists, but still p well regarded.
Just "techno" for everything
Most people who have knowledge about those genres and want to post about them just go to /bleep/ desu
imo it's better than the other three that tend to get thrown around the most, it's the closest anybody gets to just saying "electronic music" as a catch-all term
still shit though
I've heard only a few Moby songs and I can say he's not really for me. when it comes to those other artists I'll say that I'm not much of one for big beat but I can get into some of The Prodigy's stuff (though I prefer their breakbeat hardcore Experience-era stuff)
I guess I'd say electronica was for the early 2000s and EDM was the late 2000s. dance was used in the early 2000s too, but infrequently by comparison.
that and /bleep/ already containing the vast majority of the people who care for them, and they basically consider themselves separate from what I can tell
I knew Sup Forums knew nothing about Electronic Music (as >60% of the board is American) but this is just ridiculous.
the average normie on the street won't have heard of them. at best they'll know Aphex Twin because of his quirky music videos from the late 90s. Although if you're talking about people who are a bit more into music, then yeah
Its just never been as popular or mainstream as it was in Europe.
While the UK had raves and there was Eurodance and all the different dance / downtempo genres exploding in England/Europe in the 90s, hip hop was big in America, or pop punk and grunge.
Yeah, it could be just that I live in a more "hip" area.
This is true - most Americans just don't have the proper context for many of these genres. Sure, when ace tunes come out nowadays some ppl can just dl them and listen to them at home, but that really doesn't compare to listening to a DJ spinning those records at a club on a proper soundsystem. There's hardly any club culture in the US apart from a couple of cities.
most of our music scenes over here (USA) are still very guitar based. no one really listens to bleep bloop music, it's rare to meet someone who's into it seriously.
I just listen to this, makes me feel British
Yep. The main thing I miss about living on the east coast is the close vicinity to NYC. Some pretty gr8 clubs there.
Is hip hop not taking over?
Seriously though why do Bongs get upset that most people don't care to remember every obscure subgenre of their music that mostly sounds the same?
It doesn't all sound the same.
Weak b8
it's definitely the main stream. wiggers and chads love it, but every suburb you go to in America, there will always be kids who are into post rock and post hardcore and play music in their garages.
Smack my bitch up
never listened to """idm""" and even though this thread says its not a real genre, are there any artists from it worth getting into?
I think its fascinating how completely different 2 countries can be.
lol
>heavily generalized opinionpiece
No, it's not true, you fucking tool
t b h in terms of """IDM""" the only worthwhile artists are the big ones who are synonymous with the term, like Aphex, Autechre, BoC, Squarepusher, ยต-Ziq, Venetian Snares, Clark, Plaid and other such artists on Warp, early Planet Mu and related
all of the big names are. Aphex, Autechre, BoC, mu-Ziq, Squarepusher, Venetian Snares, some less-discussed artists like Clark and Ilkae, there's a fuckton of very talented people put under the umbrella. seriously, if you haven't already then at the very least the discographies of the first 3-4 are worth exploring, and I'd definitely recommend Clark and Ilkae too.
so true. typical pards.
wew lad
Arovane have a tonne of good IDM. I love his use of the harpsichord.
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doubles confirm for you're a major retard
I think the real question is why the sentiment is so common
not true at all. americans have no clue what IDM is; most americans think all electronic music is either dubstep, techno, or EDM
well why not
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>Why does Sup Forums praise so much IDM
Look at the OP picture, if you listen to electronic music thats not IDM, you are the left people.
>that's not idm senpai, sorry.
yes it is
see
You are correct, but when most people say "EDM" they are referring to skrillex-tier brostep commercial crap. All House, Techno, DnB, Ambient, Juke, etc. falls under the umbrella of EDM. EDM is represented by skrillex-tier brostep to people who haven't heard much electronic music. But there is a tonne of good EDM, namely in the form of the genres i mentioned before.
I listen to it all what the fuck.
Do you close your mind to one single genre of music and ignore all the other stuff there is?
If so, that image is what americans think is the edm listener, here in Europe we don't share your same point of view
That post says IDM is not anything but a mailing list name, not a genre or umbrella.
I agree, my post was highlighting what the average American on Sup Forums thinks and why IDM is perceived more ''patrician'' here.
Their own beatports don't sell themselves as "techno, downtempo, jungle" they sell it as Electronica/Chill Out, they obviously want to sell as something else.
>beatport
>ever
wew
You said IDM is not techno or downtempo or jungle, yet the most well-known "idm" artists make those genres. That's what I was pointing out.
lad...
How do you support your artists then, buying shitty albums ridden with singles?