Overrated things in hip hop

1. "storytelling"
2. battle rap

3. autotuned rapping

>storytelling is overrated

Fuck off, inb4 "backpacker"

>autotuned rapping

but literally no one likes that

>multi-syllabic rhyming
>muh deep meaning in songs

You must hate Immortal Technique.

4. nas

Ill battle rap you fgt

Your mom is a whore.
I went to the store.
And fucked her in the doorway
Because you're gay
You're gonna pay for sex with men
So i'll lend you 30 bucks
Because I give zero fucks
about your well being
i'm seeing your future
it's full of scat porn and hittin no licks
while your dad sends you to camp
to pray away the gay that he gave you
just the other day.

T. White male

people consider rappers great when they make any story song at all. on top of that a lot of the songs are boring and basic as hell

The only good battle rappers are Arsonal and Shotty, and they're both retired.

>the two main pillars of rap
>overrated

Kill yourself.

this now dub thread check them

nice

what battle circuit outside of url is majority black?

check

thank

4. production
>yeah the rapper sucks but his beats are dope
I would just listen to dance if I just wanted to listen to beats

yeah man because it's not the most popular music genre right now. trap pop or whatever

"realness"
Like who the fuck do you think you are? Do you think your miserable life story is even half as interesting as my Chinese cartoons?

Make shit up if you want to, I don't care.

>overrated things in hip hop
how about the entire genre

"Conscious hip hop"
Basically the rapper beats you over the head with their usually generic and vaguely traditionalist message. Lauryn Hill is really bad for this

Story telling is good when its executed correctly, a bunch of new rappers fucking suck at it. They run out of breath after 4 words.

>Sporadic fast rap in the song or freestyle
when "rappers" start by "rapping" slow then all of a sudden they say like 3 words fast and everybody loses their shit and say, "that nigga went in, that shit was hard af!"

fuck you

chek'd

And rappers are either conscious or not, like in the minds of society a rapper is either dropping some real deep fucking truths or they're an ignorant uneducated gangster who just raps about stupid shit
As if there's no middle ground

Jesus christ kill yourself

"I've only listened to Miseducation"

Why? Should I check out the Fugees?

Fast rapping

>Story telling is good when its executed correctly, a bunch of new rappers fucking suck at it.

Nas doesn't suck and his entire career is built on story telling, yet out of the several albums he had came out with he only made 2-3 hits.

Storytelling in music just simply has to be relatable for it to work. A lot of artists forget that and expect to make hits from those tracks.

This thread is bad

>Lauryn Hill is really bad for this

You mean Erykah Badu.

so basically you guys are saying the entire genre is overrated ? because everything you are naming off makes hip hop what it is, if you dont like one thing, go listen to another artist, simple, hip hop has many "sub-genres".

me personally i like alot of things about hip hop

That's the main problem with hip-hop's fandom.

People believe one sub-genre has to be the entire genre.

Hip-hop is only 35-40 years old and hasn't even been fleshed out long enough to say what sub-genre is the best, if there is a "best".

yeah i understand, the main focus seems to be backpack rap vs. trap rap a.k.a. weirdo rappers vs street rappers.

thats just how it is i guess, i personally dont mind it tho, i like kid cudi for his "weirdo" shit but also listen to chief keef for melodic ignorant trap shit, then i like Nas and ghostface for storytelling and then i turn around and listen to ugk for that underground shit, people always feel like they have to choose sides and thats just human nature

>two main pillars of rap

o i am laffin

>the actual music is the overrated part

heh

>Instrumentals=The actual music

Go listen to techno then.

so are you saying the verse is the actual music? I'm confused m8

In most songs, yes.

Go read poetry then.

NOBODY LISTENS TO TECHNO

(You)

0. relevance

looking at some current trends in rap, those are actually pretty underrated

backpacker

If you're one of those "old hip-hop lol dust" 14-16 year old faggots shut the fuck up and keep your dumbass opinion to yourself.

it was never meant to be an equivalent to poetry. Hip hop is very rooted in the dialects of where the artists come from. That speech combined with the rhythmic vocals of the MC became what we know as rap. So while you could write the lyrics down and consider them poetry, the come from a completely different place.

>hip hop
>rap
you goofed.

1. Being a weird homo with dyed hair

go listen to poetry being recited.

Do you honestly give a shit about what the beat sounds like when you listen to a song for the most part? Not just in rap, but all music?

Only bad songs are memorable by their instrumentals only.

>Storytelling in music just simply has to be relatable for it to work. A lot of artists forget that and expect to make hits from those tracks.

Except that most of the hits coming out now are from rappers who rap about drug dealing, driving expensive cars, using private jets, smoking around a thousand dollars worth of weed daily, shooting at people, playing their drug dealers, and having many bitches.

Hardly any of the suburban white teenagers who listen to that can relate to any of that shit at all.

I really don't like gangster rap. I don't understand how hip hop went from having fun with flow and rhythm, and trying to rise out of your shitty life, to embracing living in a shithole and thinking that you need some tough guy image to rhyme successfully.
Fortunately hip-hop traveled to Asia in its fun, late 80s-early 90s form and extended its shelf life a bit as it spreads around.

>semantic content is something i highly value in hip hop.

kill yourself

That's the best part of artists like: Young Thug, Lil Yachty, Drake, Migos, Future, etc. The instrumental is the best part. If you take that away from those artists people will realize how awful they are.
Which always makes me think it is the producers who should be getting the most credit nowadays not the rappers.

i'm 22 and I probably know more 80s/early 90s pre boom bap/g funk hip hop than most people on here. I like good rap. i also happen to like some autotune trap and all that too. And think about it, battle rap has been more popular the last few years than ever before. and I'm sure you can find plenty of modern rappers that tell stories in their raps. as if that automatically makes them good.

>white people don't have desires for power, success, or material aspirations

please just listen to midwest emo-- its all the emotional breadth someone like you needs.

I have no idea where you're attempting to go with that when I'm just saying that the stuff in popular rap tracks now are not relatable to them at all.
You know it. I know it. Quit trying to dance around what I mean and misconstrue what I am saying.

It has nothing to with lyrical ability. In fact, it only supports the case since even in songs with braindead verses the first thing you think of is the hook.

Songs like "Make em say uhh", "Crank Dat", Most of Lil Wayne's songs, etc.

>The instrumental is the best part. If you take that away from those artists people will realize how awful they are. Which always makes me think it is the producers who should be getting the most credit nowadays not the rappers.

It's debatable and subjective. For me, even if the instrumental is amazing, if they're rapping in a generic flow with generic lyrics I heard 1000 times it'll get old fast.

>driving expensive cars, using private jets, smoking around a thousand dollars worth of weed daily,
>all this shit only rich people have
>white people can't relate

Neither can blacks?

Third reply was meant for:

It makes them good because it shows they are capable of actually talking about something besides the usual. Creativity is the key of what people are getting at when they say storytelling is important.

Notice how the rappers who are noted storytellers in rap are able to stand the test of time and are key figures in hip-hop?
The rappers who are not storytellers/autotune rappers have a very short shelf life because they are very easily replaceable and forgettable. They're just single rappers. Nothing more nothing less. They'll have a good track, try to make an album that recreates that good track, album ends up being boring, they begin to fade into irrelevance. This happens often.

>"suburban whites can't relate to it at all"
>white kids still relate to 'that' kind of music

sorry bud, maybe there's something to that kind of music that you just don't understand. and what kind of autist thinks that you can only relate to music when it refers to concrete things you've directly experienced
>oh, this song is about anne frank-- i don't know her, so i don't what the big deal is

its aspirational and atavistic music. if you had some fucking balls, and weren't such a classist dweeb you might have some appreciation for it.

My main point is relatable =/= hits. That's it. Don't know what was hard to understand about that.

What the hell? Erykah Badu and Lauryn Hill are the greatests. You fags listen to shit hip-hop

You missed my point entirely and got me confused. Also not once did I say I don't like that type of rap either. Quit being sensitive.

>Hardly any of the suburban white teenagers who listen to that can relate to any of that shit at all

You're not supposed to, dumbass. It's black music

>You're not supposed to, dumbass. It's black music

'no'

I am black...

my bad

"No u"
Do you expect most blacks to to relate to country music ?

haha your gay my man haha

telling a literal story is not the only wayto write good lyrics. Lyrics are an ethereal thing, there aren't statistics that you can use to analyze them. There are all kinds of other elements to writing lyrics like word choice, use of figurative language, the sonics of what you're saying etc etc..A common story used in hip hop songs is a young adult getting involved in crime, reaping the rewards but ultimately dying. That can be good as a literal story but it can be just as good by doing things like describing the related environments, feelings and all kinds of other things. And for another thing stories like that have been done so many times. Yea nas and eminem and whoever are famous for their stories but there are also plenty of rappers who have been around for decades that don't tell stories. UGK, E 40, Too short, Wu tang, Jay Z....(they may have stories here and there but not prominent ones that i remember)

Skits on albums. The fuck are they thinking with that shit

Seeing as how most of us don't even listen to country music I can't say.

As a black person with white relatives and lives in the most country state in America(Kentucky), I can vouch that white people under the age of 30 don't listen to country music on a regular basis.

This meme needs to stop.

UGK, Jay Z, and many of the members of Wu Tang Clan are great storytellers. I don't listen to E40 enough to speak on him.

I didn't say telling a story is a way to write good lyrics I was saying that telling a story is a good way of being creative.

I'd listen to Young thug acappella. Man has a golden flow.

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I am gonna say that people care too much about the actual lyrical content coming from a rapper. Flow, rhythm, and enunciation is far more important than the actual lyrics imo. If lyrical wordplay is fused with the flow though, you do get some top tier shit though (MF DOOM being a prime example.) But even that kind of wordplay doesn't need to be some deep lyrics.

Overrated things in hip hop: Hip Hop

>I can vouch that white people under the age of 30 don't listen to country music on a regular basis.

Taylor Swift still counts

>2. battle rap
But that's where we get most improvised raps