Can we stop pretending rock is a major genre

Can we stop pretending rock is a major genre.

Other urls found in this thread:

rateyourmusic.com/genre/Modern Classical/
youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
youtube.com/watch?v=W5n1pZn4izI
youtube.com/watch?v=YoLUU5X0mYg
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

>classical
>centuries old
yeah that's why it's called classical you fucking moron

rock is almost 70 years old

>because it's not old means it not major
Name the last time classical music was relevant

Does that mean 70 years ago jazz, electronic and R&B weren't major genres or is there a certain age a genre of music becomes "major". Cut the bullshit, for you want to argue something argue it, don't just use age as a crutch.

>electronic music
>80 years old

kek

This morning.

are you fucking stupid?

actually, classical is in regards to the classical era of orchestral music

THIS

Its much older than that.

Its common usage is for both the era and/or art music as a whole.

Relevant classical music nowadays is video game and movie soundtracks. The ones that have soundtracks that can be considered classical anyway.

retard

rateyourmusic.com/genre/Modern Classical/

Relevant to music as a whole, not to you

So it serves the same role as ambient music, would you say ambient music is a major genre?

...

The most recent work on that list is from 1940, even if it was relevant back then, that's still over 70 years since it mattered

>centuries old
>music only started in 1910
explain this

*1997

Learn2read

>user is probably under 25
Can we stop pretending user's opinion matters?

ambient is electronic music

I don't see any 1997 albums on this page

Correction: it's a subgenre of electronic music, not a major genre unto itself

>what are the top releases

I'll admit that I don't use RYM at all, I already get enough shitty opinions from Sup Forums I don't need more.

If you're referring to the recording of the Bartok string quartets, Bartok died in 1945

Also I'm literally seeing film scores in the top releases
>The Fountain
>Psycho
>Koyaanisqatsi

Feldmen, Reich, the list goes on...

Real electronic music is only about 50 years old:

youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
youtube.com/watch?v=W5n1pZn4izI

Electronic instruments existed before this, but these were some of the first to really probe what could be done.

what about ambient music made without electronic instruments? ambient is a genre in itself. It could be electronic, it could not.

Classical is relevant right now, there's a concert in my city happening right now and its packed. Classical will continue to be relevant until humans die out. Its pretty much timeless, hence why it has already lasted for 500 years.

Real electronic music started being recorded in the 1940s by Schaeffer and Halim El-Dabh

Ambient fits in both, normally electronic.

As soon as you faggots stop pretending indie folk is folk

What people say when they mean classical relevant isn't that there has no fans, obviously people will continue to listen, analyze, and write about it until the end of time. They mean that it is no longer a part of mainstream culture as it was 200 years ago. It's kind of a niche now.

Same for rock now already.

Why did you choose to make this post?

Well Ambient has strong roots in acoustic music that predates electronic music, namely the work of Erik Satie

Indie folk fits under the umbrella of Contemporary Folk

Because I'm hard gay

haha fagger

Rock is certainly part of mainstream culture, it will take many decades of nothing noteworthy for it to fade from relevancy completely.

No.

Indie folk is rock.

I don't think rock has the same staying power as classical though. To my knowledge, no one has really developed a "theory" of rock music yet. As in, something that would make rock music worth analyzing 100 years from now.

Blues existed before jazz you fucking retard

You do realize classical music still fills concert halls and will always do. If you think classical music isn't relevant you are just delusional and only live in your little echo-chamber.

No, it's contemporary folk music. Indie rock is rock. Maybe you're thinking of folk rock.

Contemporary Folk is a somewhat broad term that encapsulates a lot of music, including indie folk.

Indie folk is just rock like Mumford & Sons.

Very different from contemporary folk.

>classical music still fills concert halls
Fucking please, half the people who go to those concerts only do so to seem intellectually superior for listening to classical. The genre has been analysed to death and there's nothing more it can offer.

Nah, nobody attends the Proms at all.

>this thread
Literally a fucking argument about semantics and classifying music into stupid little boxes.

Just because you're a popular music pleb, doesn't mean the rest are.

Yeah fuck those snobs they HAVE to pretend to like it like wtf?!

youtube.com/watch?v=YoLUU5X0mYg

>pop/rock geetarist

lol

Popular = Relevant = Popular = Relevant

Jazz still fills clubs but it's not a relevant genre anymore.

>Geetarist
>matt sharp
wew lad

>i dont like thing so people who like thing must be pretentious

Now THAT'S what I call bait

>I only watch TheNeedleDrop

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Mumford and Sons are basically folk rock. I understand where you're coming from, but "Contemporary Folk" is just a term that describes a lot of different music ranging from stuff like Death in June, to Vashti Bunyan, to Indie Folk like Fleet Foxes or NMH or whatever.

I will say that Indie Folk arose from indie rock and is much closer to rock music than a lot of other Contemporary Folk

This type of argument plagues music. It seems to be all that some people think about

Contemporary jazz doesn't influence popular culture.

I never implied that, but if all classical fans are like the ones in this thread then that would be true

Well a Bass is a type of guitar

Who gives a shit about some stuffy people in universities?

Which parts of this thread reek of classicalfag superiority in your opinion?

You just googled to see what instrument he played didn't you? Bassist are called bassists, literally never should they be called guitarists.

I do

he is a guitarist you fucking retard

Hell to the ass no considering no one gives a fuck about music past 60 years of age anyway except some sparse classics.

mfw triggered by the tism

He plays bass in Weezer. He's not some super obscure guy

>plays
>not played
triggered

I thought it is the bass guitar? Does that count as a guitar?

It's technically a type of guitar but the players are referred to as bassists by literally everyone.

You never heard of "bass guitarist"?

It sounds clunky as fuck and only retards would refer to them as that.

Yes of couse its a fucking guitar.

Holy shit rocktards are a special blend of retard.

underrated post

It was a terrible post, kys

Okay.

That wasn't nice

>it is no longer a part of mainstream culture
it was never part of mainstream culture. It was always locked away in churches or in rich peoples parlours, or in opera houses where wealthy people went for a cultured night out.

Mainstream plebs have always had popular music: minstrels, guys playing hurdy-gurdy's, street musicians, etc. Classical has always been kind of a niche and will carry on that way.

this

The only reason we still remember centuries old classical music, is because it was written down. Traditional folk music usually wasn't.

Christmas Carols, lullabies and the like are all technically folk music

Fun fact, most classical and metal music follow the same themes and other musical shit. It's pretty neat.

That bait doesn't even work on youtube anymore.

But Top 40 summer hits do. So, what does that say?

Yes, indeed. I'm not sure what your point is though?

We still have Palestrina's masses available to us, music that was pretty much only performed in churches. Yet the popular music of the 1500's is basically mystery, since it was never written down. We know what instruments were popular and what modalities etc that were likely to have been used, but still.

Just saying traditional folk wasn't written because its mostly orally passed on, like those.

...

musique conctréte nigga

Is there an essential rock chart?

Metal and punk and new wave crescendo twinkly prog subgenre bs too

AC/DC - > Aerosmith - > Led Zeppelin - > Yes - > ELP

That pretty much covers it

Frank Zappa - Lumpy Gravy
The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out!
The United States of America - s/t
Silver Apples - s/t
Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's
Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei
The Grateful Dead - Live/Dead
The Beach Boys - SMiLE
The Holy Modal Rounders - Indian War Whoop
Faust - s/t
Popol Vuh - Hosianna Mantra
Third Eye Blind - s/t
Can - Future Days
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Gong - Camembert Electrique
Third Ear Band - Elements
Suicide - s/t
The Residents - Not Available
Chrome - Half Machine Lip Moves
Wire - Chairs Missing
Pere Ubu - The Art of Walking
Butthole Surfers - Psychic... Powerless... Another Man's Sac
Mission of Burma - Vs.
Birdsongs of the Mesozoic - Magnetic Flip
This Heat - Deceit
Univers Zero - Ceux de Dehors
Sonic Youth - Sister
Julian Cope - World Shut Your Mouth
Dead Can Dance - Spleen and Ideal
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Mercury Rev - Boces
Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Stereolab - Transient Random-Noise Bursts With Announcements
Hash Jar Tempo - Well Oiled
Cul de Sac - Ecim
Lightwave - Mundus Subterraneus
Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 - Mother of All Saints
Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
The Olivia Tremor Control - Black Foliage: Animation Music Vol. 1
Yo La Tengo - May I Sing With Me
The Fiery Furnaces - Bitter Tea
Grails - Burning Off Impurities
The Books - The Lemon of Pink
Solex - Low Kick and Hard Bop
The Microphones - Mount Eerie
Cave - Psychic Psummer
Deerhoof - Reveille
Animal Collective - Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished
Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing
The Flaming Lips - Embryonic