Modern black metal isn't watered down, unless you look at surface layer bands like Cradle, Liturgy, Deafheaven, etc. But anyways Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon Satanic Warmaster - Cerelain Satanic Madness Sacrafago - INRI Essentially look at a bunch of RYM black metal lists.
>modern black metal is just watered down versions of the early stuff
Nah. But you should still listen to Ulver and Emperor, at least.
Carter Clark
You honestly think Deafheaven and Liturgy are watered down versions of early black? They are the guys actually doing something different, for better or worse.
Jose Young
Yea pretty much, I don't like either band because they come into a genre and try to completely change it, and also rip off a bunch of other bands. Bands like Panopticon, Drowning the Light, and Syvij Yar are newer bands that are actually doing something different. I don't wanna start a fight though, I love you
Leo Reed
But you can't call this new project 'black metal', because they are spaced from the root of the first Europe black metal. Deafheaven is really a great project, but for me it's not black metal, but something different like Alcest with scream, specially in their first album.
Anyway, if you like black metal, why not try first Leviathan, Nachtmystium or Profanatica?
If you like Europe black metal try:
-Gorgoroth -Ragnarock -Behexen (Demo are in the '90, fist album '00) -Beherit -Dark Funeral -Impaled Nazarene -Marduk
Ryder Morales
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the northern Sky, Under a funeral Moon, Transilvanian Hunger Master's Hammer - Ritual Behemoth - from the pagan Vastlands Gorgoroth - Pentagram Gorgoroth - Antichrist Blut aus Nord - Ultima Thule Deströyer 666 - Unchain the Wolves Emperor - In the nightside Eclipse Forgotten Woods - Sjel av natten Gehenna - First Spell Graveland - The Celtic Winter Immortal - Pure Holocaust Marduk - Dark Endless Satyricon - Dark Medieval Times Summoning - Stronghold Taake - Nattestid Ser Porten Vid Ulver - Bergtatt
...should get you started.
Carson Nguyen
In my dreams, I'll one day just find a crate full of black metal album and then, I'll be cultured and able to rule these threads.
Jackson Johnson
Thank you this is more than enough but I can't wait for november when I listen to nothing but black metal
Daniel Campbell
>No mention of Immortal
Shame on you!
Their three first albums are BM classics, and among the best in the genre. Pure Holocaust and Battles in the North especially.
Grayson Sanders
Oh true, I just blanked I guess. Pure Holocaust is amazing, I have dishonored my famiry.
Levi Myers
modern black metal is mostly watered down, with a few exceptions here is where you go next >Absolutely Necessary Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger Immortal - Pure Holocaust Gorgoroth - Antichrist Dissection - The Storm of Light's bane Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
>Ambient Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon (Warewolf, Semen and Blood summarizes how weird and...wrong this feels) Mutiilation - Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul (Depressing) Paysage d'Hiver - S/T (Transcendent) Ulver - Bergtatt (Chill & folksy)
>Epic Graveland - Thousand Swords (The sound of romanticised medieval battle) Summoning - Dol Guldur (Keybord focused lord of the rings metal) Vlad Tepes & Belketre - March to the Black Holocaust (Belketre's half is darker but people tend to like Vlad Tepes more so I count it more) Rotting Christ - Thy Mighty Contract (Heavy metal-ish bm)
>Harsh Weakling - Dead as Dreams (2000 but really fuckin good. both harsh and epic) Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom (War Metal, in your face) Ildjarn - Norse (Raw as blistering cold, dry winds on unprotected skin) Marduk - Opus Nocturne (similar to blasphemy but less in your face and more long winded)
Connor Nelson
Yeah for sure In my opinion neither Liturgy nor Deafheaven are black (especially Liturgy) though I love the former
Calling them watered down is just not right
Ryder Brooks
Inquisition is necessary in any list of essentials. So damn good
Sebastian Gomez
95% of recent black metal is actually more complex and refined than 2nd wave stuff.
2nd wave BM is minimal, bare-bones and raw as fuck.
You could say that some recent BM is watered down insofar as it isn't as PURE as 2nd wave BM, but that would be a clumsy analogy since the inclusion of other elements usually spices it up instead of making it more dull.
Logan Cox
>modern black metal >watered down
>Revenge >Deathspell Omega before Paracletus and Drought >Hades Archer >Sect Pig >Sammath with their 2014 album >the influx of death metal influenced black metal like Pseudogod >any of these at all watered down
John Anderson
different guy liturgy is not watered down it is something different from black metal with a couple aspects of bm thrown in. Aesthetica is essentially early swans with a bit of filosofem thrown in. I don't like early swans. both swans and liturgy seem to operate under the idea that the surface aesthetics of an album (like timbre and lyrical themes), rather than the composition, are the source of quality in an album.
deafheaven is similarly a mix of shoegaze, post-rock, and melodic hardcore (think title fight), but they actually do have some parts that are watered down (such as vertigo).
Tyler Davis
OP here
I recently stopped hanging out with some of my best friends because I've just outgrown them and I just feel like I don't really belong to one group of people so black metal is just perfect for this isolation.
Thanks for sharing and keep sharing!!
Kayden Murphy
Sorry. You're right. I like even the new Abbath solo album.
See them live. AMAZING!
Cameron Fisher
>essentially early swans Shellac actually
Christopher Campbell
He's new man, like I said he's probably just heard Deafheaven and Liturgy, or Cradle. Giv slack mah boi. And to add to that Panopticon Archgoat Striborg Xasthur Syvij Yar Caladan Brood Also glad you likey
Ethan Powell
there's nothing amazing about Inquisition live, they have zero theatrics and barely interact with the crowd, they're just two chubby 40-something guys in corpsepaint.
Charles Brooks
yeah i mostly agree liturgy only uses black metal timbres to achieve something completely different
it is drone based rock, is close to accurate
Adrian James
I'd recommend it, but it's not essential in the sense that hearing it gives you a much better understanding of the tropes that assign bm. it's something I'd recommend hearing after the essentials.
most of the elements of added complexity are there for the sake of sheer novelty, rather than serving a purpose in the music, see also: dream theater. not to say that progressive means bad, but modern bm tends to incorporate new elements for their own sake rather than the purpose of expression.
Revenge, DsO, and Hades Archer are watered down. Sammath is not. IDK about the rest
see im not extremely familiar with the best fit because i don't like noise rock or no wave. I just know that Aesthetica fits way better into noise rock than metal
Nathan Ramirez
ITT: embryos
I'd give you some recs OP, but I don't want to spoonfeed these mongs in the process.
Dylan Wood
How Revenge watered down? Each new album they make sounds more primitive than the one before, with the starting point for this process being all the way back when Conqueror released War Cult Supremacy.
Deathspell Omega are in no way watered down on their works before Paracletus. None of those albums have wank, just really fucking fast riffs that are made of dissonant chords. Paracletus is basically melancholic pop though.
Hades Archer is now watered down, but on the Penis Metal EP and For The Diabolical Ages LP they add a Sodom/Sarcofago but of thrash to the Blasphemy formula that just makes that type of music more intense, and also one of the few bands in that style that make it work by successfully going away from Blasphemy's actually poppy songwriting style.
Carson Thompson
Modern black isn't watered down, there are lots of bands formed after the millenium that still sound similar to the 90s bands You need French black metal. Murmuüre Deathspell Omega Blut Aus Nord Merrimack Pestre Noire
Joseph Roberts
So? Black metal is anti-music. it's a genre about hate and misanthropy. The secret is the atmosphere or the music, not how they interact with public and do shitty satanic things.
Xavier Anderson
>anti-music "no" >the rest of your post literally didn't read
Justin Howard
this, all these bands are a pretty interesting take on black metal while staying mostly true to the spirit of bm
Jayden Butler
Rec for more bands like Deafheaven?
Anthony Lee
idk ask in a post rock thread
Andrew Kelly
>Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal
Jeremiah Nguyen
What portions of Deafhaven remind you of TF?
Liam Jenkins
this is a good thread, ty guys
Jordan Edwards
Funeralbloom, nic (black bar) , Clouds Collide Blackgaze in general
Brandon Lewis
You've listened the worst mayhem album, a meme band, and just some of the best band ever.
First listen to all of bathory stuff. Mayhem's Live on Leipzig. Emperor's Wrath of the Tyrant is what you're looking for