Are native American Indians the most useless, irrelevant "civilisation" in human history...

Are native American Indians the most useless, irrelevant "civilisation" in human history? they were in North America for centuries before Europeans arrived they and achieved absolutely nothing at all.

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You know a worse one

Seriously?

abos are worse, if they can be considered human

LONG LIVE INCAN NAZISM AND THE FUHRER, STEVE MICHEL HARRISTON

I forget they exist until someone talks about "muh heritage"

They didn't quite need anything to compete. Competition leads to advancement so far in history, and if you're completly comfy with your life you dont need to try to get more

Abbos and especially Tasmans.

Noble Savage

But seriously, they were an intact set of civilizations that were their own ecology.

Unfortunately we introduced western Yurpeen invaders that they had no defenses again. Yurpoors have always been an invasive species.

What would have happened to the germanic tribes that you love so dearly if they were literally the only ones around? They still would have been chimping about raiding eachother. I agree that north american indians really didn't have a civilization to boast about (inb4 cahokia), but its of no fault of their own.

Ok, we really need to settle what is it you mean by "North America"

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western europeans didn't even develop civilization independently unlike american indians

if they hadn't been civilized by romans and mongols they could still be living in grass huts today

Well, to be fair, there was the whole epic “finding their way over here on the land bridge from Asia” migration thing, which, translated to English, means “not walking in water that’s over your head”, and the Iroquois Convention, upon which part of our government is based. So there’s that.

But yeah, I feel no guilt for something my ancestor’s roommate's bosses’ cousin may or may not have done. I understand that the victor writes history, but their side is kinda hard to understand when there’s no written language to speak of beyond pictures of someone’s hand on a cave wall, and any tribal history is handed down in peyote-trip sing-song form.

didnt the bronze age and iron age precede roman invasion? My history knowledge is a bit shit but surely even those developments alone far exceed anything the American Indians achieved?

>Europe, Africa, and Asia have about 2 dozen domesticatable animals between them to help them specialize and develop instead of everyone working on a farm
>the Americas have the llama, and that's only in South America
Ah yes, European """"superiority""""

Your people spend thousand of years in europe living like animals in europe to build this shit. If you are not egyptian, chinese, indian or iraqi you can't say shit about them

mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home/clean-aztecs-dirty-spaniards

calm down, one day your people might build something as sophisticated as stonehenge.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is nothing wrong with giving the squaws a good proper christian education. Residential schools did literally nothing wrong. It's not our fault we can't tame the savages.

If that's the case why did Germanics and western Europeans far surpass the Mediterranean civilizations? The natives can't say the same

The Tarascans and the Huastecs produced bronze, the Aztecs did in fact have bronze axes

>people who spent 8 months straight eating, shitting and pissing together on a wooden box in the middle of the ocean we're dirty
SHOCKING

>implying it wasn't the ayyy lmaos who built the stonehenge

This country is an isolated hell, you can't expect any "civilisation" here

It's a continent lad, don't make excuses

Indians? Do Indians visited America before the Vikings?

t. only became civilized through Roman conquest

Nope, Europeans emptied their chamberpots on the street and used urine to wash their mouths, they could spend years without bathing, meanwhile Aztecs bathed daily and every home had a latrine with a septic system as well as a temazcal bath, did you even fucking read the thing? They were far more advanced than fucking India is today.

Except bronze age and neolithic europe far surpasses what most native cultures had. Most didn't even have farming.

WE

nah native history and culture is great

not to go all we wuz but they got absolutely fucked by the americans
and not just when we came over and colonised the land
the amount of jewing the us did to steal the land out from underneath them is insane (especially chief joseph and his tribe)

Yeah, they don't surpass Mexico, even the non Mesoamerican northern regions were more advanced than that.

romans did nothing to britain lad

they didn't integrate with the natives at all much less civilise us
it's why they were so easily driven out, they had little to no presence here essentially

Iron age Scandinavians did't have a numeral system advanced enough to use zero, even the Romans didn't

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals

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We wuz literally and unironically aryans n shit

aryanism.net/culture/aryan-race/aryan-diffusion-part-7/

How does it feel britbongs

They had agriculture and megalith building long before mesoamerica in addition to advanced metallurgy and seafaring navigation

It's a thread about pre-colombine Amerindians, in Mexico they were as advanced as Europeans after conquest ffs

Yes, and Mexico did bronze age in one fifth the time it took Europe and without the influence of Middle Eastern civilizations to pave the way

>after conquest
There you go

Not an argument

I was responding to the we wuz dumb ass

and yet now you're decades behind the rest of the world

sad!

They built some proto civilizations, they were at the level of European Neolithic peoples like the Cucuteni people.

Of course I'm talking about North America, the Inca empire is comaprable to Bronze age civilizations like Myceneans who had a vast kingdoms with well built roads, stone palaces and fortifications (there's a striking parallel between the two, they also stored tons of gold).

But there is to say that the Myceneans had more formidable weapons and armor so they were more advanced from a military stand point

What do you mean by Western Europeans?

Back in the late bronze age urnfield people used bronze armor as far west as France, their kind of weapons (especially the Naue II sword) was so good that Myceneans and other more developed civilizations adopted them, they also knew farming and lived a sedentary life style for the most part and were great metal workers, they didn't really live in grass huts, unless by Western Europeans you just mean the Fins.

No, we are beating America and have smarter leaders, haven't you heard?

They were still largely living in the bronze age, if even that, at the time of european contact, and their ascent from barbarism wasn't sudden, it was a cumulative transition that occured over many thousands of years. Even in mesoamerica the aztecs were relative latecomers.

How is stonehenge a negative thing?

It was rather impressive for the time it was built (3rd millenium bc)

>Be White
>Only able to advance using technology from Asia
>Be Aztec
>Build largest empire in the Americas in only 200 years

Apart from the badass Romans, Whites didnt do shit in terms of civilizations. Even niggers were kangz.

Meanwhile in 1600 bc Europe

You know shit the Incas didn't have writte records unlike the Mayas and the Aztecs, only Mexico had books

There's a difference between Southern and Northern native Indians desu

Southern Indians who dominated their local regions had some pretty advanced stuff.

Northern Indians were lacking

>Whites didnt do shit in terms of civilizations

Yeah the modern Era just randomly happened mate

>tfw most people call them natives when they're actually asians

>Apart from the badass Romans, Whites didnt do shit in terms of civilizations

You know the "Big four" were Britain, France, Germany, and Italy who built the modern world right? Asians would still be cutting peasants heads off with swords if not for European imitation.

Yeah, once again, they had to do everything independently and in one fifth the time, they were just getting started then

This. Mammoths were the real native Americans until those invaders killed them all

At least they didn't sacrifice people alive by the thousands but just a few in time of crisis when they were plump and killed painlessly

OP here, i wasnt really referring to south of the mexico/us border, i see north american natives as a very different historical entity to the civilisation your refering to, that may be my ignorance tho.

Europe in 5000-4000 bc, before Sumerian cities were a thing

meh, at least the Aztecs had their sacrifices to serve what they thought was an important purpose and not just for entertainment like the Romans

So are europeans if you want to go back far enough.

One single race didnt build our modern civilizations. Had it not been for tbose savage Asians, Whites would most likely still be living in Huts in nothern Europe.

Entertainment is important desu.

West Asian maybe

> Had it not been for tbose savage Asians

Asians, you mean East Asians?

The fuck are you smoking Mr.Ping Pong?

They had relative peace and easily sustained themselves without disturbing their natural environment. They had canoes, advanced fishing techniques, built wooden structures and lived this way for a very long time. I don't see anything wrong with that.

They helped us fight the American rebels and the French. Now they're casino owners.

Pretty based

Even egypt was just getting started then, still Mexicans were already domesticating maize at that time, did Europe independently develop agriculture?

Not sure what youre trying to imply, Mario

Generally speaking, as a country, the best place to be is right in the center of the horizontal lines. If you're in the center, you can interact with people all around you.

The absolute worst place to be are at the bottoms of vertical lines. If you're at the bottom, you're only interacting with the people on top of you.


Geography is pretty damn important. It's not the only factor, but it's a major factor.
No, they didn't.

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>Even egypt was just getting started then

No Egypt didn't have settlements of remotely comparable sizes or any monument in 4000 bc while Europe had those, probably the Neolithic people living along the Danube valley dveloped some form of writing too during that time while Egypt didn't, but were sent back by the Yamna invasion most likely

i would totally choose 1400 America life over 1400 Europe life. You have no idea how disgusting the cities and the life in Europe were at that time

Europeans specifically those four nations single handedly built the modern world and created everything of note. Asia would be nothing if they didn't try to copy Europeans. They'd still be a bunch of famers.

> did Europe independently develop agriculture?

Yes

Ok, have fun having your heart ripped out of your chest while you're still alive

but it was all for the greater good wasn't it? development is ugly

>did Europe independently develop agriculture?

yeah they did in Anatolia, genetically southern Europeans are more or less Neolithic Anatolians, especially Sardinians and Iberians, modern Turks have nothing to do with Neolithic Anatolians though because of large migrations that happened during the copper age and in historic times

HMMMMM, NOW I WONDER WHAT IS YOUR ETHNICITY.

have fun dying at birth

Only because the abos would burn the place to the ground over and over again for 10s of thousands of years.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming

>Fire-stick farming had the long-term effect of turning dry forest into savanna

Modern Civilization would not be possible without the history before it. Certain eras were essential in order for people to advance. Those countries didn't just suddenly form and advance without pre-existing ideas. A lot of what lead to today's technology did not come from those areas.

Europe, at those times, was more or less like India today. 1/3 of Europe fucking died because they were filthy people. It was rare for them to shower once a week, while the Aztecs showered daily.

Agreed desu.

China's success would never had been possible unless the white man taught them how to make metal

They were getting started
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt#Predynastic_period
Seriously, you just keep moving the goalposts further and further, it's useless arguing with you, everytime I prove you wrong is some new arbitrary challenge you come up with so let me rephrase the FACTS

Mexico acomplished a bronze age civilization in one fifth the time it too Europe, it did so with barely any cultural difusion from other areas unlike Europe and it advanced further in some areas than even Iron age Nordics (hygiene, math) your nopt liking Mexico or holding racist views on North American Amerindians is irrelevant

It surely didn't come from East asia, outside of gun powder

And Asians would have stayed in that era, cutting peasants heads off to save face and farming all day long shitting in holes in the ground, if not for Europeans. Europeans surpassed every other race and created the modern world because they are superior and have that special spark of genius and creativity. While Asians were eating noodles with sticks and genociding eachother, Europeans built everything. That's why Asians wear western clothing and use western products and to be successful business man in Asia, you're required to wear the British three piece suit as a sign of formal success.

>Mexico acomplished a bronze age civilization in one fifth the time it too Europe

What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?

It literally doesn't mean anything

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt#Predynastic_period

And? they just had agriculture, nothing comparable to the Cucuteni culture with settlements of the size of cities

> or holding racist views on North American Amerindians is irrelevant

??

Literally strawman

that's so fucking desperate, Europeans did it but outside Europe? Go suck a cock

>Mexico acomplished a bronze age civilization in one fifth the time it too Europe
No it didn't, the origin and development of mesoamerican civilisations was a cumulative process that took place over thousands of years.

Not my fault if you don't know anything about prehistoric migrations

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britain loves the natives
we got along with them when we ruled the americas

I think he means Europeans in the same way that you use Mexico to describe native Americans living in ancient times

Most europeans draw ancestry from mesolithic and neolithic sources.

>mexico buttblasted

Horses came from Asia, those guys went around literally raping Europe.

Even sandniggers accomplished more than the White man.
>Be White
>Literal caveman
>Cant advance until contacting other civilizations

>it's a mexican think they are human episode

>Horses came from Asia, those guys went around literally raping Europe.

They were domesticated by Caucasoids, not East Asians, at least those brought to Europe

First Nations deserve a hell of a lot more sympathy than any other group in this country. In fact, they're the only ones who do. The rest are whiny cunts that should go back to their "homeland" and fuck off from here forever. Oh, but they won't because either their homeland is a shithole or they're greedy fucks who want to make money here. First Nations don't have that privilege.

Every time you read about a child getting shot in this country, it's always in a First Nations community. Aboriginals have far worse crime statistics than even blacks. That's how horrible the conditions are for them here. Their homeland was torn away, their way of life stripped to the bone, their culture and beliefs stamped on, and their people as distinct nations nearly erased. And now they're left with third world living conditions, addictions that make Slavs look sober, murder rates that make Detroit look civilized, and obesity rates that make America look slim. Thriving, well-run, First Nations communities are the exception, not the norm. Throwing money at the problem won't work, but we have to do something.

Canada has already owned up to its dark past. We need to actually go and fix this problem. The previous government didn't give a fuck and spent more resources promoting American and Israeli interests than actually helping the people living in this goddamn country. But the current government will just throw money at them. Fuck this gay Earth.

A lot of you seem to not give a shit about aboriginals, yet are worried about having your culture and way of life destroyed by mass immigration. Well, look no further, because how our natives are living is exactly our future. Life was much better for them before European colonialism. Life wasn't perfect but it wasn't all a savage bloodbath like some of you seem to suggest -- and it's the same for Europe. You seem to idealize your nations' past even though life was far from perfect there, too,

t. second-generation immigrant

Well I know you're as dark as midnight on a new moon.

Sand niggers and all other races are beneath the white man, they can't even live in a civilization now, let alone back then. They owe their existence to the white man. Bow to us, your white master.

MUH AZTECA